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b's second meeting. Here's how to start: (1) schedule a meeting, (2) publicize the hell out of it, and (3) people will come. If they like it, (1) they will come back, and (2) they will tell other people, who in turn will come. So... NUMBER ONE, plan a meeting. Pick a date at least a month away. Pick a spot that has some intrensic value beyond geocaching. A park, a river, etc. Pick a place that people would bring their families and kids to, so that you can cast it as a "family friendly" event. Pick a place that has caches nearby (our Nov mtg has 40+ caches within 20 miles) and/or arrange to have some caches placed near the meeting site (for our Oct mtg in a more rural area, a member who lives near the park put out four new caches in conjunction with the meeting). All you really need is a pavilion (in case of rain). Try to get one for free; if you can't, pass the hat at the meeting. Plan SOMETHING to do at the meeting. Read the event cache listing for other groups, including ours, and plagarize their ideas. An easy one would be a group cache... you buy an ammo can and ask everybody to bring a nice trade goods item. Somebody places the cache, and the rest of you have a new cache to seek. Food is good... have a cookout before, after or as part of the meeting. If you are at a park where there is something historic or scenic, ask the Park Ranger to speak and/or give a tour. Ask a local sporting goods store to send a rep to talk about something. Have tutorials on map reading, compass useage, first aid, etc. Our biggest draw to date was the snake lady, who brought about 20 live snakes to show off. NUMBER TWO, publicize the hell out of the meeting. Use multiple channels of communication: geocaching.com, this forum, e-mail, web page, flyers/business cards, etc. List it as an event cache on geocaching.com. Post a link to the event cache in this forum with a descriptive subject line, like we do. Create a website/webpage. You can do this for free at www.tripod.com. This is our first, unofficial webpage that I created in about a half-hour: http://gageocaching.tripod.com Note that the page publicizes (1) the meetings and (2) the channels of communication that you have established. Use e-mail. Start by creating a two paragraph or so summary of what you hope to create. Include your webpage URL and a link to your next meeting event cache listing. On geocaching.com, find caches in your area, look at the log of who has visited, and use the e-mail link to send this e-mail to everybody who has found a cache in your area. Use cut-and-paste so you don't have to retype the message. Keep a log of who you have e-mailed to so you don't send duplicate messages. In five minutes you can e-mail 10 people. The next day, email 10 more, etc. Create a signature line in this forum, like mine below, with the URL to your webpage. I don't know how long a message can be, so I will continue in the next one.... ------------------ Interested in Geocaching in the state of Georgia? Visit the Georgia Geocachers Association at http://www.ggaonline.org [This message has been edited by BigDoggie (edited 25 October 2001).]

quote:Originally posted by ErnieB:Did you see that they can monitor "certain biological functions?" Hmmmm, there's some biological functions I wouldn't want monitored! Talk about getting caught with your pants down!

Jeremy, I like the way you have organised the Canadian and Australian caches by province! Maybe we could do the same for the New Zealand caches? To date, I have included the name of the nearest significant town or city to each of my caches in parentheses at it end of its name. I would like to continue using this system (maybe without my parentheses), with the New Zealand province listed at the end of the name (as in Canada and Australia). The only problem I can forsee, is that all of the existing New Zealand geocaches would need to be edited to show the province in which they reside. I could provide you with an annotated list of all of the caches in New Zealand showing their province (that is, if cache owners don't get around to editing their own caches). Anyway, here is a list of provinces (actually regional councils and unitary authorities from section 1.5 of the Atlas of New Zealand Boundaries 1996; I have seperated Stewart Island from Southland): North Island: Northland Auckland Waikato Taranaki Bay of Plenty Gisborne Hawkes Bay Manawatu Wellington South Island: Tasman Nelson/Marlborough West Coast Canterbury Otago Southland Other Islands: Stewart Island Chatam Islands Territory These provinces can be split up onto even smaller regions (e.g., using the Mereorlogical services regions from section 2.1 of the above reference, Otago can be split into Central Otago, North Otago, South Otago, and Dunedin and Canterbury can be split into Canterbury High Country, Canterbury Plains, and Christchurch City and/or South, Mid, and North Canterbury (using the Federated Farmers provinces shown in section 4.7)). As you can guess, the local interpritation of the boundaries between provinces varies depending on who you talk to, it is usually a mixture of all three of the systems mentioned above. What does everyone else think? Have I made any mistakes? I would probably stick with the major govenmental provinces that I listed at the beginning, in that way we won't have to scroll down a massive list of provinces to find the right one (the list currently contains all of the provinces/states for the USA, Canada, and Australia). Cheers, Donovan.

Jeremy, I like the way you have organised the Canadian and Australian caches by province! Maybe we could do the same for the New Zealand caches? To date, I have included the name of the nearest significant town or city to each of my caches in parentheses at it end of its name. I would like to continue using this system (maybe without my parentheses), with the New Zealand province listed at the end of the name (as in Canada and Australia). The only problem I can forsee, is that all of the existing New Zealand geocaches would need to be edited to show the province in which they reside. I could provide you with an annotated list of all of the caches in New Zealand showing their province (that is, if cache owners don't get around to editing their own caches). Anyway, here is a list of provinces (actually regional councils and unitary authorities from section 1.5 of the Atlas of New Zealand Boundaries 1996; I have seperated Stewart Island from Southland): North Island: Northland Auckland Waikato Taranaki Bay of Plenty Gisborne Hawkes Bay Manawatu Wellington South Island: Tasman Nelson/Marlborough West Coast Canterbury Otago Southland Other Islands: Stewart Island Chatam Islands Territory These provinces can be split up onto even smaller regions (e.g., using the Mereorlogical services regions from section 2.1 of the above reference, Otago can be split into Central Otago, North Otago, South Otago, and Dunedin and Canterbury can be split into Canterbury High Country, Canterbury Plains, and Christchurch City and/or South, Mid, and North Canterbury (using the Federated Farmers provinces shown in section 4.7)). As you can guess, the local interpritation of the boundaries between provinces varies depending on who you talk to, it is usually a mixture of all three of the systems mentioned above. What does everyone else think? Have I made any mistakes? I would probably stick with the major govenmental provinces that I listed at the beginning, in that way we won't have to scroll down a massive list of provinces to find the right one (the list currently contains all of the provinces/states for the USA, Canada, and Australia). Cheers, Donovan.

Hey there! Welcome to the game! There is a virtual club here in Cincinnati on the Yahoo newsboards that can be found here. The Cincinnati Geocaching Picnic was a great time and we plan on doing it again soon. You can read about the picnic as well as see some pictures from it here (you will need to be logged in to the system) and here. We also left a cache for others to find after the picnic was over. You can read about that here. I have actually wanted to start an official club here in the Cincinnati area where we could all meet once every month or so, talk about caches and make some new friends. I met a guy who is part of such club down in Atlanta. They have business cards and all that good stuff! But it is just the Yahoo message boards for right now, and they are hardly ever used! Hope this helped, ------------------ Bill Ware The Cinci Cachers http://www.cincicachers.com

Making a cacher dig 6 feet in a graveyard before getting the goods. Talk about the looks they're gonna get from passers by...

Making a cacher dig 6 feet in a graveyard before getting the goods. Talk about the looks they're gonna get from passers by...

Clayjar, Is it basic software-compatible with the older Magellans? What I'm really asking is... Does it work with EasyGPS, oziexplorer, and the like? Or are we going to need to wait for updates for these 'third party' applications to talk some new meridian protocol? Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere, I couldn't find it. I'd ask at LAGG1 today, but I figure someone else might be wondering the same thing... Thanks!

Listening to talk radio at work Thurs. night & geocaching got some publicity on a nightly spot called "the technofile" with lazlow. Caught it on our 50,000 watt local station that reaches 37 states & Canada. Only a few minute spot, but thought it was cool. Listen to the spot at this link. http://www.lazlow.com/ Click on Listen to the Technofile-October. Just locate the broadcast for 10/18 on the list. . ------------------ Gary "Gimpy" Strong Rochester,NY [This message has been edited by gstrong1 (edited 19 October 2001).]

Listening to talk radio at work Thurs. night & geocaching got some publicity on a nightly spot called "the technofile" with lazlow. Caught it on our 50,000 watt local station that reaches 37 states & Canada. Only a few minute spot, but thought it was cool. Listen to the spot at this link. http://www.lazlow.com/ Click on Listen to the Technofile-October. Just locate the broadcast for 10/18 on the list. . ------------------ Gary "Gimpy" Strong Rochester,NY [This message has been edited by gstrong1 (edited 19 October 2001).]

Sorry, I was away for a few days. I see others have already responded but here is my $.02. -bridaw Originally posted by RoyD: bridaw Let me see if I understand this. With VPC I can download and install firmware upgrades, using the proper cable adapter, to my Garmin MAP76 receiver on my MAC G3. Yes. I have been able to launch VPC (running Win98 First Edition) on my iBook and then use GPSR updaters from the Garmin web site (Legend updates as well as Marine POI file) and it does not require MapSource. I use an iBook instead of one of my 2 desktop macs when I do use VPC so I must also use a Keyspan serial-USB adapter (many posts about this topic on this site). Also, I can use MapSource software and download to the GPSR. You can use all the features of MapSource supported by your GPSR and it can "talk" to your GPSR provided you have the right cables and such (keyspan adapter for USB macs). I only use MapSource on my mac to push maps to my IIIplus and Legend. I tend to keep the same set of maps in both units so I rarely use MapSource on my mac these days. With Mac GPSPro I can download maps to the GPSR. NO. No 3rd party program can load maps to your Garmin GPSR. Mac and WinTel users all have this same problem, you MUST use Garmin MapSource if you wish to load maps into your GPSR. No other option at this time. However, MacGPS Pro provides real-time tracking (many programs offer this these days on mac and PC) superimposed over virtually any map from any source. Within 15 minutes of receiving the MacGPS Pro program, I had downloaded a MapBlast map of PB, CA and calibrated the map in MacGPS Pro. I pulled the tracklogs and waypoints out of the GPSR and displayed them over the Mapblast map in MacGPS Pro. I tossed the iBook into the Durango and drove around just to check out the real-time features of MacGPS Pro. This is within minutes of calibrating the map I had just downloaded from the web minutes after launching MacGPS Pro for the first time. The maps I tend to use most are high quality FREE USGS topo maps from this site: http://www.gisdatadepot.com/catalog/ Another feature I REALLY like about MacGPS Pro other than the fact that it is a feature rich mac native app with awesome support, is that it stores all waypoint, route, tracklog files as a text file. This is SOOOO cool compared to MapSource formats or other proprietary formats that require all kinds of converters and such that make it really painful to make quick simple tweaks to your waypoint or track log files. The MacGPS Pro file format is text so you can open it in BBedit or whatever text editor you prefer. Format: DMM M/D/Y H:M:S -7.00 hrs Datum[106]: WGS 84 ID Date Time Latitude Longitude Altitude T 10/15/01 10:10:27 32°48.032' -117°14.064' T 10/15/01 10:10:28 32°48.031' -117°14.069' T 10/15/01 10:10:41 32°48.020' -117°14.109' T 10/15/01 10:10:42 32°48.019' -117°14.109' T 10/15/01 10:10:43 32°48.019' -117°14.109' T 10/15/01 10:10:47 32°48.030' -117°14.114' T 10/15/01 10:11:02 32°48.052' -117°14.121' T 10/15/01 10:12:00 32°48.047' -117°14.118' T 10/15/01 10:12:10 32°48.090' -117°14.131' T 10/15/01 10:12:11 32°48.095' -117°14.133' T 10/15/01 10:12:23 32°48.170' -117°14.155' T 10/15/01 10:12:31 32°48.219' -117°14.170' T 10/15/01 10:12:37 32°48.224' -117°14.172' T 10/15/01 10:12:41 32°48.229' -117°14.175' MacGPS Pro tracklog> Does Mac GPSPro erase the base maps in the GPSR when it is installed? No. I believe NO GPS program, PC or Mac, is capable of erasing the base map. The basemap is there to stay. Why the hell did I spend $95.00 on the MapSource software? Well, I did the same thing. I bought MapSource Topo and Road & Rec CD sets. I don't regret buying them (especially since I paid half price for them on eBay) since it is the ONLY way you can push maps to your mapping GPSR. What I do regret is waiting so long to check out MacGPS Pro and forcing myself to use MapSource for managing tracklogs and waypoints. ------------------ Brian and Terry San Diego, CA [This message has been edited by bridaw (edited 17 October 2001).]

Sorry, I was away for a few days. I see others have already responded but here is my $.02. -bridaw Originally posted by RoyD: bridaw Let me see if I understand this. With VPC I can download and install firmware upgrades, using the proper cable adapter, to my Garmin MAP76 receiver on my MAC G3. Yes. I have been able to launch VPC (running Win98 First Edition) on my iBook and then use GPSR updaters from the Garmin web site (Legend updates as well as Marine POI file) and it does not require MapSource. I use an iBook instead of one of my 2 desktop macs when I do use VPC so I must also use a Keyspan serial-USB adapter (many posts about this topic on this site). Also, I can use MapSource software and download to the GPSR. You can use all the features of MapSource supported by your GPSR and it can "talk" to your GPSR provided you have the right cables and such (keyspan adapter for USB macs). I only use MapSource on my mac to push maps to my IIIplus and Legend. I tend to keep the same set of maps in both units so I rarely use MapSource on my mac these days. With Mac GPSPro I can download maps to the GPSR. NO. No 3rd party program can load maps to your Garmin GPSR. Mac and WinTel users all have this same problem, you MUST use Garmin MapSource if you wish to load maps into your GPSR. No other option at this time. However, MacGPS Pro provides real-time tracking (many programs offer this these days on mac and PC) superimposed over virtually any map from any source. Within 15 minutes of receiving the MacGPS Pro program, I had downloaded a MapBlast map of PB, CA and calibrated the map in MacGPS Pro. I pulled the tracklogs and waypoints out of the GPSR and displayed them over the Mapblast map in MacGPS Pro. I tossed the iBook into the Durango and drove around just to check out the real-time features of MacGPS Pro. This is within minutes of calibrating the map I had just downloaded from the web minutes after launching MacGPS Pro for the first time. The maps I tend to use most are high quality FREE USGS topo maps from this site: http://www.gisdatadepot.com/catalog/ Another feature I REALLY like about MacGPS Pro other than the fact that it is a feature rich mac native app with awesome support, is that it stores all waypoint, route, tracklog files as a text file. This is SOOOO cool compared to MapSource formats or other proprietary formats that require all kinds of converters and such that make it really painful to make quick simple tweaks to your waypoint or track log files. The MacGPS Pro file format is text so you can open it in BBedit or whatever text editor you prefer. Format: DMM M/D/Y H:M:S -7.00 hrs Datum[106]: WGS 84 ID Date Time Latitude Longitude Altitude T 10/15/01 10:10:27 32°48.032' -117°14.064' T 10/15/01 10:10:28 32°48.031' -117°14.069' T 10/15/01 10:10:41 32°48.020' -117°14.109' T 10/15/01 10:10:42 32°48.019' -117°14.109' T 10/15/01 10:10:43 32°48.019' -117°14.109' T 10/15/01 10:10:47 32°48.030' -117°14.114' T 10/15/01 10:11:02 32°48.052' -117°14.121' T 10/15/01 10:12:00 32°48.047' -117°14.118' T 10/15/01 10:12:10 32°48.090' -117°14.131' T 10/15/01 10:12:11 32°48.095' -117°14.133' T 10/15/01 10:12:23 32°48.170' -117°14.155' T 10/15/01 10:12:31 32°48.219' -117°14.170' T 10/15/01 10:12:37 32°48.224' -117°14.172' T 10/15/01 10:12:41 32°48.229' -117°14.175' MacGPS Pro tracklog> Does Mac GPSPro erase the base maps in the GPSR when it is installed? No. I believe NO GPS program, PC or Mac, is capable of erasing the base map. The basemap is there to stay. Why the hell did I spend $95.00 on the MapSource software? Well, I did the same thing. I bought MapSource Topo and Road & Rec CD sets. I don't regret buying them (especially since I paid half price for them on eBay) since it is the ONLY way you can push maps to your mapping GPSR. What I do regret is waiting so long to check out MacGPS Pro and forcing myself to use MapSource for managing tracklogs and waypoints. ------------------ Brian and Terry San Diego, CA [This message has been edited by bridaw (edited 17 October 2001).]

I had the bizarre experience yesterday of having a cache removed by state park authorities as I was going to get it. They passed me on the way in and further down the trail I saw them go into the woods looking around the area the GPS was pointing me to. As I got within a couple hundred feet I saw them leaving the other way (it was a loop trail) with the cache. I made my way back around to the car realizing I had a big geocaching.com static cling sign on the back window. I decided to go to the park office to see what was going on. I got to the office and had a long talk with the site manager (I think. He was high level.) and a conservation police officer. 1. They were not happy that someone had placed the cache on park property without their knowledge or permission. They had several legitimate concerns, including many that we have discussed in relation to federal land. What a weirdo might put in the cache, injuries to people searching for caches in off trail areas, various concerns related to Sept. 11 and increased security worries since then, the issue of abandoned property, non-geocachers finding them leading to bomb squad calls, etc. 2. They did not object to geocaching in general, just the way it had been done there. We went over several ideas such as virtual caches, caches where a marker is hidden that directs you to the park office for the container, and clear containers that are hidden with the permission of park officials. They seemed quite receptive to these ideas. 3. It sounded like news of this was heading to the state-wide level so many caches are now in danger of being removed without notice. Most caches in this state are on state property. (State parks, forests, fish and wildlife areas, etc.) I would strongly suggest that you get in touch with whoever runs the land that your cache is on if you did not get permission when you placed your cache. If you don't want to do that, you should consider archiving and picking up your cache before someone confiscates it for you. 4. If we go at this the wrong way, we could easily end up like North Carolina, with geocaching banned in state parks. This would certainly not help our attempts to use federal lands either. If we go at this the right way, we make the job of state parks easier, give ourselves a good name (especially if we are caught picking up trash), and help our case with federal lands. We will lose badly if we try to go head to head with the state. 5. I told them I would spread the word. I hope you will help me with this. You must get permission to hide on any state property. Do NOT assume that it is OK because other people have hidden caches there. Get permission for every cache! 6. Let's keep level heads here. Nothing good will happen if we start bi**hing and moaning at the parks, park system, or park employees. Keep discussions and actions constructive. 7. They have found the website. There is no way to sneak around them so don't try. They will probably be quite stunned when they see just how many there are. rdw [This message has been edited by rdwatson78 (edited 16 October 2001).]

I had the bizarre experience yesterday of having a cache removed by state park authorities as I was going to get it. They passed me on the way in and further down the trail I saw them go into the woods looking around the area the GPS was pointing me to. As I got within a couple hundred feet I saw them leaving the other way (it was a loop trail) with the cache. I made my way back around to the car realizing I had a big geocaching.com static cling sign on the back window. I decided to go to the park office to see what was going on. I got to the office and had a long talk with the site manager (I think. He was high level.) and a conservation police officer. 1. They were not happy that someone had placed the cache on park property without their knowledge or permission. They had several legitimate concerns, including many that we have discussed in relation to federal land. What a weirdo might put in the cache, injuries to people searching for caches in off trail areas, various concerns related to Sept. 11 and increased security worries since then, the issue of abandoned property, non-geocachers finding them leading to bomb squad calls, etc. 2. They did not object to geocaching in general, just the way it had been done there. We went over several ideas such as virtual caches, caches where a marker is hidden that directs you to the park office for the container, and clear containers that are hidden with the permission of park officials. They seemed quite receptive to these ideas. 3. It sounded like news of this was heading to the state-wide level so many caches are now in danger of being removed without notice. Most caches in this state are on state property. (State parks, forests, fish and wildlife areas, etc.) I would strongly suggest that you get in touch with whoever runs the land that your cache is on if you did not get permission when you placed your cache. If you don't want to do that, you should consider archiving and picking up your cache before someone confiscates it for you. 4. If we go at this the wrong way, we could easily end up like North Carolina, with geocaching banned in state parks. This would certainly not help our attempts to use federal lands either. If we go at this the right way, we make the job of state parks easier, give ourselves a good name (especially if we are caught picking up trash), and help our case with federal lands. We will lose badly if we try to go head to head with the state. 5. I told them I would spread the word. I hope you will help me with this. You must get permission to hide on any state property. Do NOT assume that it is OK because other people have hidden caches there. Get permission for every cache! 6. Let's keep level heads here. Nothing good will happen if we start bi**hing and moaning at the parks, park system, or park employees. Keep discussions and actions constructive. 7. They have found the website. There is no way to sneak around them so don't try. They will probably be quite stunned when they see just how many there are. rdw [This message has been edited by rdwatson78 (edited 16 October 2001).]

Not in my town! Here in Syracuse, NY, we just had a big article published in the newspaper, complete with sidebar story on the GPS system, and color photos. The number of automatated emails I get from cache logs being submitted for my caches has jumped, and the number of new players logging caches all over this area has jumped up as well. A little bit of good press has a noticeable impact. You have to remember, there are lots of people who own GPS units, but who haven't found anything fun to do with them yet. They use them as a tool for travel, hunting, fishing, boating, etc., but not to have fun, especially with their kids. If your local newspaper hasn't yet covered geocaching, go talk to them, and offer your assistance for background information and a free lesson. I even went so far as to lend an eTrek GPS to the writer, so he could try geocaching with his boys -- that was after he first got a private lesson with three local players. It may not be easy to get the newspapers attention, but if you call ahead for an appointment, and take along copies of the stories linked from geocaching.com's homepage in the "Geocaching in the News" section, ought to pay attetion to that! Anton [This message has been edited by Anton (edited 16 October 2001).]

I always seem to chime in when there is an enviromental point to be made, not that I am a fanatic. But keeping cache container sizes to a minimum may help in the perception of the sport by cetain agencies and individuals. Asking a Park representitive about placing a cache with a five gallon bucket in your hand or a small microcache container may make a difference in their response. Here is an example of a microcache I visited last week that still has a trading theme but is very simple and clever. Tiny by Technician Also, there was some talk about having a "Featured caches of the month" in an earlier thread. Having a cache like this and other unique caching ideas featured would benefit other cachers in different areas who might want to do something similar or like the idea or percption of a low impact cache. [This message has been edited by navdog (edited 15 October 2001).]

I think you have teken the correct first step - talk to them about it. You could merge into a large barrel of monkeys, what could be more fun? :^) Or you could arrange to make your calling cards slightly different - you use only blue for example and they use only red ones. Or you could switch to bananas to feed their monkeys. It could be kind of a competition/game inside the game to get to caches first.

Although I use (and love) the geocache rating system, I am not sure if I should change the answer to one of my terrain questions. As is, the cache is rated a 4 because it doesn't *require* specialized equipment. The easiest route to the area will be over the back of a ridge and down the other side onto the top of some large rock formations. There are many small trails leading down/around through the rocks. I am NOT a rock climber; however, due to a good many leaves and pine needles which is making some places a little tricky, I stopped by the local outdoor store to talk to them. I told them what I was doing and where I was doing it, explained I was not a climber and didn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on gear, but wanted to be safe in what I was doing. They recommended a rope and told me how to use it properly without any harness or hardware. I am going to follow their recommendations for my own safety, even though it would be *possible* without doing so. Should I go ahead and consider this as *requiring* specialized equipment lest some bonehead go out and scramble to his death? I am leaning towards this as I think it is better to rate a cache on the higher side if there is any question. Just wanted to get some other opinions. ------------------ Greg N39°54.705' W077°33.137' My geocaching page [This message has been edited by gnbrotz (edited 16 October 2001).]

quote:Originally posted by supertech: First - I am not going to participate in a platform war. Well said. I'm all for comparing receivers, but in the end it all boils down to preferences and opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own. (I have Garminite friends, and apparently they have at least one Magellanite friend, since they still talk to me. )

quote:Originally posted by supertech: First - I am not going to participate in a platform war. Well said. I'm all for comparing receivers, but in the end it all boils down to preferences and opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own. (I have Garminite friends, and apparently they have at least one Magellanite friend, since they still talk to me. )

I used to prefer mapquest until I found mapsonus.com Talk about KOOL!!! nice maps, better searches PLUS you can set it to show LONG/LAT 'on click'

I used to prefer mapquest until I found mapsonus.com Talk about KOOL!!! nice maps, better searches PLUS you can set it to show LONG/LAT 'on click'

quote:Originally posted by mrgigabyte:I am expecting my first order to arrive any day now. Did you order through the web site or did you talk to him directly? I've sent a few emails but didn't get any response... :-( Gilles

Here's a thought... a minicache attached by a magnet or velcro, under the shelf of one of those drive-up pay phones you see in Interstate highway rest stops! Talk about TERRAIN = 0.01! ------------------ Interested in Geocaching in the state of Georgia? Visit the Georgia Geocachers Association at http://gageocaching.tripod.com

quote:Originally posted by ClayJar:... when science types talk about accuracy, they are generally talking about averages. Well, only if they state it as the average accuracy. Accuracy is really how close something is to the actual thing (coordinate, voltage, or bulls eye). In the case of the archer ClayJar mentioned, his average accuracy might mathematically add up to zero but his shooting is terrible. (This is another example where averages really are not all that good). The root-mean-square of the accuracy would really be a better measurement of the archer's shooting. As for logscaler asking about measurements at different times, I would think the satellite positions would be rather random at the same time of any day. So a measurement at 8 AM one day might use a different mix of satellites than a measurement at 8 AM another day. Lou C