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I have had for about two weeks now a sticker on my car that I made using "Paint" and some full-page sized label stock that says: THIS VEHICLE STOPS AT ALL GEO-CACHES. I have had some responses to this, and it has given me the opportunity to talk about our sport. I tend to agree with LazyBoy, in that I do not think the stickers would tend to show up on trees, buildings, dumpsters, etc. If the only way to get them is by ordering them and paying for them, people will tend to be pretty selective as to where they put them - and, we're not a bunch of delinquents. (SFM)

I gun is a good way to defend yourself but a lot of caches are hiden in parks where hunting is prohibited.So don't get caught with a gun in there.Another alternative is pepper spray.There are some types especially made for bears.My friends father as some of this.It is usually used by hunting guides etc.I think this type of spray is also stronger than the usual mace.The best is to avoid them if you can.And if you can't back away slowly and walk away if he didn't see you.If he see's you talk to the bear while slowly backing away.I have came face to face with several bears and walked away.But i admit it is pretty scarry.And don't slip in that brown stuff leaking from your pants)

I gun is a good way to defend yourself but a lot of caches are hiden in parks where hunting is prohibited.So don't get caught with a gun in there.Another alternative is pepper spray.There are some types especially made for bears.My friends father as some of this.It is usually used by hunting guides etc.I think this type of spray is also stronger than the usual mace.The best is to avoid them if you can.And if you can't back away slowly and walk away if he didn't see you.If he see's you talk to the bear while slowly backing away.I have came face to face with several bears and walked away.But i admit it is pretty scarry.And don't slip in that brown stuff leaking from your pants)

quote:Originally posted by Krepism:One really nice thing about these forums and the "list" is that we can talk about anything. And while I think every one has been very civil about this and have been playing very nice, things are getting out of hand a bit. Jeremy has put his heart and soul into this game and if it were not for him, this game would not be where it is today. Yes maybe some one would have come along and used Netscape to create a cheesy web page and you could email him/her with the coordinates and when they got around to it, it may have got posted within a month. Nobody, Nobody here has the dedication like Jeremy to keep this site up. Other sites have begun to pop up, but if you look at them they are designed to make money right off the bat, but Jeremy has taken another route. Promote the game; make a great central point to obtain coordinates and stats. And maybe, just maybe he might make a few dollars. Do I care if this information that I upload to "HIS" servers falls under his copyright, NO. Do any of you really care??? I hope not. Where did all of you hear about this game?? I will bet it was some how related to a promotion that Jeremy had to do with. Some one before chastised Jeremy for promoting this sport all over the news stations. When do any of you think the last time Jeremy got out to seek a cache? I would not think he has had a chance to get out, unless it was for a promo with a reporter. Some of you are going to say, "that?s my point, why doesn?t he allow people to help so he is not under so much pressure". He does not want it!! And I don?t blame him; I would not want it either. Do you people share the credit you receive at work with the janitors, just because they clean your cubes? Do you share the credit with the highway construction crews, hey with out that road you could not get to work? My point is, let Jeremy get all the credit he can, if that includes copyrighting the information that he collects on "HIS" website, then so be it. Jeremy has made every effort to make "his" web site legal as possible. With out central administration, the name Geocaching will start to get a bad name. For the last year we have all put our faith in Jeremy to take this sport to the next level. Any complaints??? I did not think so!!! Now stop your whining, move on and get out and go Geocaching!! No reason to frown and use the angry red face guy. Remember... cheerful, happy-time discussion? No one here is discounting the fact that Mr. Irish puts in a hell of a lot of time into maintaining and designing the website. And no one is contesting that he has put his own human and monetary capital into the site. I haven't heard anyone here say anything to that effect. As for sharing credit with the janitors that clean my cubical (if i had one that is), sure, I share credit with them. We pay them in exchange for goods and services rendered (credit for the job that they have done), in a capitalistic society it's only right. In fact it's a pretty dadgum good place to be a janitor. And finally... centralized administration kicks major butt.

quote:Originally posted by jeremy:No. That's fine. You can leave the post if you want. If not, one way to remove the post is to edit it and make the contents blank. I do apologize for questioning whether Ed had found the spoon was legitimate. It did come out as a rude accusation. It's all good. Jeremy Thanks, but it was wrong of me to post those emails without your prior permission. I have edited the post down to nothing. Mea culpa. Now, shall we talk about the issues and come up with some solution so that the maps can return? Issue 1) The Lost Caches. I think these are a valuable part of geocaching for all the reasons listed by people above. I've got numerous 'use common sense' messages on the page and it's an "opt out" list (i.e. I've posted that if anyone wants their cache removed from the list it's taken off immediately.) Perhaps an "opt-in" list would be acceptable? Issue 2) Copyright notices. I have no problem putting something that acknowleges your work at the bottom of my page. I'm reluctant however to place something on the map images themselves as those are the result of MY hard work. Again perhaps we can find some middle ground. In the meantime, my page remains offline. -Buxley

Here's my thought. Why don't you contact the folks on high in NC and talk to them. Find out who the programs director is for NC parks and get him intrigued with Geocaching. I've talked to the programs director for Tennessee state parks, Charlie Tate, and he was interested in finding some way to allow Geocaching that would alleviate possible problems that could occur without the park services involvement. The biggest thing I see in keeping the parks open to Geocaching is that those people wanting to establish a cache on park lands, or any land, need to get permission first. It only takes a few minutes to make a phone call and I've found that these folks are extremely approachable.

quote:Originally posted by pfred:I'd like to see an option to password-protect the logbook on a cache page. That would be a neat solution to a complaint some have had about spoilers in the logs. Cache hiders who object to loggers including spoilers could password protect the log, so the only readers would be people who have already found the log. Successful hunters could feel free to talk about all the details of the hunt without fear of spoiling it for others who haven't hunted that cache yet. Make this feature optional and those who like things just the way they are can continue to do logs the old way. To each his own.

I just started using PanTerra and have found it to be quite good. Now if Geocaching.com could talk directly to it to exchange waypoints...

John, The Arboretum folks have been extremely supportive of the caches. I'm even conspiring with them to place at least one more at a nearby park the same manager is responsible for. Regardless of their support, you're right, any comments to them will help the sport in general. I'm hoping that the Star reporter will talk to the Arboretum manager for some supportive comments. Well, we've finally got graduation behind use, and I think I may give this coming weekend over to finally getting back to cache hunting. Paul Lamble

I recently placed a cache in a local Nature Park. I figured it'd get hunted fairly quickly. After two weeks with no logs, I decided to head back there and double check all the coords and clues (it's a multi-cache with 12 locations to hit). While hiking the trails I noticed multiple people with GPS units and papers in their hands I did stop to talk with one of them (Pete). I mentioned I was the cache hider and verifying my data. He commended me on creating an awesome challenge and that this was his 2nd day back to hunt the cache having run out of time the first time. I suggested making it easier but he advised me to leave it just as it is. More challenge makes the find that much more satisfying. Someone did find it yesterday which confirms my data to be correct

I recently placed a cache in a local Nature Park. I figured it'd get hunted fairly quickly. After two weeks with no logs, I decided to head back there and double check all the coords and clues (it's a multi-cache with 12 locations to hit). While hiking the trails I noticed multiple people with GPS units and papers in their hands I did stop to talk with one of them (Pete). I mentioned I was the cache hider and verifying my data. He commended me on creating an awesome challenge and that this was his 2nd day back to hunt the cache having run out of time the first time. I suggested making it easier but he advised me to leave it just as it is. More challenge makes the find that much more satisfying. Someone did find it yesterday which confirms my data to be correct

Hit the arboratum caches this weekend and really had a good time. The kids and I only picked up 3 ticks between us. Your guys don;t have ticks up here! I'm planning on send the arboratum folks a letter thanking them for allow the geocaches to be placed in their park. I wonder if a number of us shouldn't do the same. That would give them some great positive feedback and perhaps they'd talk caches up to other Parks folks. Met with Liz Austin from the Star on Saturday--she's looking you you Todd and Tracey next!

quote:Originally posted by puzzled:As for showing people interesting places, why not open up a book or talk to friends- you'll find it more effecient, unless of course, you ARE actually interested in the process of exploring rather than in the arrival. Besides the fact that I AM more interested in the exploring than the finding, I've found that geocaching has one enormous advantage over "opening a book or talking to friends." Geocaching is a means of generating NEW friends. In my home area, through means of geocaching, I have made several new friends and gotten to know a bit about them. However, I have yet to meet any of these people in person. Instead, we travel to each other's caches and we talk about what we did/saw through the logbooks and the discussion forums. Through geocaching we are able to show each other places in the city that the others may not have known existed, and based on themes and locations we share a little bit of ourselves that they did not know as well.

Interview between Cape Talk presenter Kieno Kammies and Prof Charles Merry of University of Cape Town on Cape Talk radio (567 AM) in South Africa, May 3 2001 at 1330 GMT+2. www.capetalk.co.za. Duration is 7 minutes 32 seconds. Listen now (mp3). http://www.geocaching.com/media/CapeTalk.mp3 ------------------ Peter Scholtz www.biometrics.co.za

Very easy to read and program, This Magellan GPS 2000 XL is in great shape. Includes owner's manual and Lawrence Letham's fine book "PS Made Easy". Thought I should give fellow Geocachers first crack at it before EBAY. I'm in San Diego if you want to pick it up in person or I'll ship COD. Make me an offer I can't refuse. Since this is a "garage sale"-- I also have two large aquariums, glass with stands,approx. 100 gallons, filters, pumps etc. I don't think I want to ship these, but I have a truck so, talk to me. Jerry 760-471-9339 jerry@elfinforest.net

Bunkerdave I think we could be figthing an uphill battle here.Personnaly,I'd remove all coordinates from the geocaching webpage to all caches!There !! NO MORE PLUNDER .That would be the most efficiant way to protect,secure or stop the plunder of cache !! Agree ?? Know,what good would that do to the game itself ? As we speak,at this very moment,a plunderer is whatching me discusting this issue with you.Now,if we come up with a very good solution to minimize this plundering activity,who's going to know at the same time?You guess it,your friendly plunderer ! Now,an another way to stop him from finding out what we are talking about,is not to talk about it at all.This way here,we cannot educate him on the activaties or solutions we come up.We have to be creative,in our own way,on how to protect our caches,be one step ahead of him and learn to think like him.His intentions,motivations and actions after the fact of plundering.What is he going to do after he did it ? Strike twice or turn tail ? Stike twice or turn tail ?? MadGPS

Bunkerdave I think we could be figthing an uphill battle here.Personnaly,I'd remove all coordinates from the geocaching webpage to all caches!There !! NO MORE PLUNDER .That would be the most efficiant way to protect,secure or stop the plunder of cache !! Agree ?? Know,what good would that do to the game itself ? As we speak,at this very moment,a plunderer is whatching me discusting this issue with you.Now,if we come up with a very good solution to minimize this plundering activity,who's going to know at the same time?You guess it,your friendly plunderer ! Now,an another way to stop him from finding out what we are talking about,is not to talk about it at all.This way here,we cannot educate him on the activaties or solutions we come up.We have to be creative,in our own way,on how to protect our caches,be one step ahead of him and learn to think like him.His intentions,motivations and actions after the fact of plundering.What is he going to do after he did it ? Strike twice or turn tail ? Stike twice or turn tail ?? MadGPS

Rubberstamps? Talk to the letterboxers at their website: letterboxing.org. They skip all the prizes and just use logbooks and rubberstamps. The really good boxers make their own stamps from vinyl erasers, like a Staedtler-MARS, the kind used by artists & architects. To make your own rubberstamp, draw or xerox a suitable design, preferably an image that's somehow related to the geocache location. Then put the paper on the eraser, and rub it with nail polish remover to transfer the image to the eraser. Finally, use an Exacto knife or Speedball linoleum carving tools to remove all the rubber that isn't part of the image. Anton ------------------ Anton Ninno - N2RUD Syracuse, NY 13210

Yeasteday while searching for the Mouse cache in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park (CVNP) between Akron and Cleveland, OH, i ran into a Park Ranger doing the same thing. We had a great talk about the activity, very nice person he was. But to make a long story short...he wanted me to talk to his Superior because "She doesn't know what to think of this activity!" Well, she called me early this morning and things don't look so good as far as geocaching in the CVNP (and in ALL NPs from what she indicated). We had an ope and friendly discussion, and although she was intrigued and interested in this activity, there are rules and regulations that must be abided by...which demands the removal of ALL caches (current and future) on CVNP lands. She said an area has already had some caches removed...an area that holds some of MY caches. I'm going out today to confirm this. I admit there is alot of history in this area with sensitive archeological sites and endangered species, etc. And I see "the other side of the coin" wrt her supervisory point of view. Therefore I regret to say that I am soon going to remove MY geocaches before the NPS does (better me than them!). I hope this removal action will make a good impression to the NPS, also, this is the area I hike all the time and I don't want to create any friction or bad NPS feelings toward geocachers. Buddur

I think it would be cool to meet people that share the same interest as me and talk a little about geocaching.I think we should be cool to each other.Not snobby.definately say hi at least, If you walk right up on somebody else.If I thought I could stay out of their site and not mess up the moment I would wait until the other folks left and then move in.

Just what can I do with the little port on the garmin 12? hook it up to a car adapter, ok I got that one, hook it up to a computer? and do what? there's no graphing software or interface that I can edit points and upload them. What does the pc interface do? Can I talk to other machines?

Have the need to talk to fellow Geocacher's? try this chat room.. http://chat.hotx.com/chat/diggers#start a couple of how-to's type in your Nickname, and hit "update" then enter your text, and hit "send" continue to hit "Update" to get screen refreshes. I know it says treasure hunting, But Its kind of appropriate. Feel free to use it, please dont abuse it. OZ ------------------ Carmen Sandiego is at S 45 45.001 E 150 55.976

hi, i'm a freelance writer doing a story on geocaching in the danbury area for the news-times. i'd like to talk to someone in the vicinity. anybody out there? steve stephenkrcmar@yahoo.com

quote:Originally posted by Falco:I guess what both of you are saying is that he and others except you should not be able to speak freely here. This is the exact opposite of what I've been saying. People should be allowed to post whatever they want, and that includes spoilers in the logs and photos of caches in their web sites. It's Quinnow who has advocated what should and should not be written in logs. Sure, it's only his opinion. It just so happens that I disagree with his opinion. If he gets everyone to conform to his opinion, more power to him. My advice is aimed at what to do in the world as it is. And that's to not read the logs until after you successfully find the cache, unless you don't mind reading a spoiler or two. Once you have found the cache, the logs become much more interesting if everyone is free to write about details that just might spoil it for others. That way, it's win-win for everyone. The new hunters enjoy the unspoiled experience (because they resisted reading the logs first). And the successful hunters get to talk about all the interesting details. And the cache hider gets feedback about all aspects of his cache, not just the ones safe to talk about without spoiling it. What could be better? P.S. I see that your post, Falco, was your first. Welcome to the forums! [This message has been edited by Scout (edited 03 May 2001).]

quote:Originally posted by Falco:I guess what both of you are saying is that he and others except you should not be able to speak freely here. This is the exact opposite of what I've been saying. People should be allowed to post whatever they want, and that includes spoilers in the logs and photos of caches in their web sites. It's Quinnow who has advocated what should and should not be written in logs. Sure, it's only his opinion. It just so happens that I disagree with his opinion. If he gets everyone to conform to his opinion, more power to him. My advice is aimed at what to do in the world as it is. And that's to not read the logs until after you successfully find the cache, unless you don't mind reading a spoiler or two. Once you have found the cache, the logs become much more interesting if everyone is free to write about details that just might spoil it for others. That way, it's win-win for everyone. The new hunters enjoy the unspoiled experience (because they resisted reading the logs first). And the successful hunters get to talk about all the interesting details. And the cache hider gets feedback about all aspects of his cache, not just the ones safe to talk about without spoiling it. What could be better? P.S. I see that your post, Falco, was your first. Welcome to the forums! [This message has been edited by Scout (edited 03 May 2001).]