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m going down there later this week to talk to the ranger to see what the situation is about whether or not the park is expected to re-open soon. I MAY have to just remove my container and archive the page. It kinda sucks 'cause it was just now starting to get some visitors AND the only reason I hid it there in the first place was to encourage caching in middle Tennessee.

On Sunday Sept. 9, I will giving a short (1 hour) and simple demonstration of Geocaching to my local computer club SEMCO (http://semco.org) at the Oakland University Science Building Room 172. The talk is scheduled to start at 1:45. Any other area Geocachers are welcome to come out and join me. Bring your GPS units for show and tell! If you need better directions, the Science Building is located at North 42 degrees 40.253 minutes and West 83 degrees 13.051 minutes.

quote:Originally posted by Chris Juricich:My wife has always been supportive of my interests and hobbies, but of late, my interest in geocaching has been screwed with by virtue of a couple of her mighty concerns: My God! All this talk about someone else picking out your clothes for you, telling you what shoes you should wear, and taking away your favorite toy. If you substitute the word "Mother" for "Wife", it sounds like a teenager complaining about his parents. Other than a marriage counselor, I can't think of anything to suggest. [This message has been edited by c.mathis (edited 03 September 2001).]

Man talk about something blown out of proportion.This has got to be one of the most harmless thing man has ever done(geocaching).I have never understanded how the gov. thinks. I live on a lake that is owned by the army corp.of engineers,the parks are ran by the NPS,the parks have posts at the gate for people to pay to get in,but there is never no one at the post to take the money and these parks stay packed. I'am not kiddind PACKED!! They can't pay someone $8 bucks an hour to take money to enter the park,but they can spend time and money trying to find a harmless geocach.Just think about that for a minute.Someone said in a post "this kind of stuff goes on in the in the private sector also" One big difference they make money not waste money.I will give you a good example, the rangers that patrol the parks and the work crews all drive V-8 pickups,they don't have any towing hitchs on them so why a V-8? Maybe its to help pass the artic drilling act.Just rember someone once said "A gov. for the people by the people".And by the way if the NPS reads this I would gladly pay 10 bucks for a permit to hide a cache on OUR land.

One of my employees has this model, and he let me borrow it to play with. Using his Pioneer is what made me decide not to buy one, despite low prices on eBay. Its a sequential model, rather than a parallel receiver. What this means is that it can only talk to one satellite at a time, having to rotate between them. Parallel models have 12 receivers, so they can listen to 12 satellites at a time. Sequential models are SLOW to lock in and prone to tracking errors. Buy a modern model with parallel recievers.

I figured out which cache you were talking about and read your log. I'm not sure if you edited your log or not as there were no coords listed in your description. I think I might know part of the reason for his tone. In your log you stated, "...I even had one of the people from the school ask me what I was doing. After explaining to them what geocaching was and my Magellan 330, they still didnt seem to happy to have that cache there. You might want to talk to someone at the school and get the okay to have it there, or I am sure it will be gone soon." The fact that you suggest that the cache may soon be gone or is in a bad spot might account for some of the "tone" in the email he sent you. There are obviously other issues playing into his email as well, but I still don't think he should have sent you such a nasty email. I'm happy to have other coordinates posted seeing as how I'm running an old Eagle Explorer. When people find my caches I'm so relieved!! As far as posting the coordinates where you found the cache, I say keep on doing it. I'm sure this was just an isolated incident.

quote:Originally posted by Bob_and_Genny:It's easy to say that people should use their judgement in a case like this. But I'd be willing to bet that, given access to a program like this, 9 out of 10 people would just go with the rating the program spits out.[/b] They haven't (in general) yet. I've been stating on my cache pages that they're rated using the system, but I've been out on others that don't even come close to what I would rate them using the GCRS. Until we get a consensus that the system is good (not necessarily perfect), and have everyone update their caches with the new guidelines (retrofitting their ratings), all this talk is in a vacuum. We need to come to an agreement that the GCRS, while not 100% accurate, is a good guideline on how to rate your caches, based on consensus agreement of many cachers using the forums. It is nothing more or less than that.

Jeremy, I like the way you have organised the Canadian and Australian caches by province! Maybe we could do the same for the New Zealand caches? To date, I have included the name of the nearest significant town or city to each of my caches in parentheses at it end of its name. I would like to continue using this system (maybe without my parentheses), with the New Zealand province listed at the end of the name (as in Canada and Australia). The only problem I can forsee, is that all of the existing New Zealand geocaches would need to be edited to show the province in which they reside. I could provide you with an annotated list of all of the caches in New Zealand showing their province (that is, if cache owners don't get around to editing their own caches). Anyway, here is a list of provinces (actually regional councils and unitary authorities from section 1.5 of the Atlas of New Zealand Boundaries 1996; I have seperated Stewart Island from Southland): North Island: Northland Auckland Waikato Taranaki Bay of Plenty Gisborne Hawkes Bay Manawatu Wellington South Island: Tasman Nelson/Marlborough West Coast Canterbury Otago Southland Other Islands: Stewart Island Chatam Islands Territory These provinces can be split up onto even smaller regions (e.g., using the Mereorlogical services regions from section 2.1 of the above reference, Otago can be split into Central Otago, North Otago, South Otago, and Dunedin and Canterbury can be split into Canterbury High Country, Canterbury Plains, and Christchurch City and/or South, Mid, and North Canterbury (using the Federated Farmers provinces shown in section 4.7)). As you can guess, the local interpritation of the boundaries between provinces varies depending on who you talk to, it is usually a mixture of all three of the systems mentioned above. What does everyone else think? Have I made any mistakes? I would probably stick with the major govenmental provinces that I listed at the beginning, in that way we won't have to scroll down a massive list of provinces to find the right one (the list currently contains all of the provinces/states for the USA, Canada, and Australia). Cheers, Donovan.

Jeremy, I like the way you have organised the Canadian and Australian caches by province! Maybe we could do the same for the New Zealand caches? To date, I have included the name of the nearest significant town or city to each of my caches in parentheses at it end of its name. I would like to continue using this system (maybe without my parentheses), with the New Zealand province listed at the end of the name (as in Canada and Australia). The only problem I can forsee, is that all of the existing New Zealand geocaches would need to be edited to show the province in which they reside. I could provide you with an annotated list of all of the caches in New Zealand showing their province (that is, if cache owners don't get around to editing their own caches). Anyway, here is a list of provinces (actually regional councils and unitary authorities from section 1.5 of the Atlas of New Zealand Boundaries 1996; I have seperated Stewart Island from Southland): North Island: Northland Auckland Waikato Taranaki Bay of Plenty Gisborne Hawkes Bay Manawatu Wellington South Island: Tasman Nelson/Marlborough West Coast Canterbury Otago Southland Other Islands: Stewart Island Chatam Islands Territory These provinces can be split up onto even smaller regions (e.g., using the Mereorlogical services regions from section 2.1 of the above reference, Otago can be split into Central Otago, North Otago, South Otago, and Dunedin and Canterbury can be split into Canterbury High Country, Canterbury Plains, and Christchurch City and/or South, Mid, and North Canterbury (using the Federated Farmers provinces shown in section 4.7)). As you can guess, the local interpritation of the boundaries between provinces varies depending on who you talk to, it is usually a mixture of all three of the systems mentioned above. What does everyone else think? Have I made any mistakes? I would probably stick with the major govenmental provinces that I listed at the beginning, in that way we won't have to scroll down a massive list of provinces to find the right one (the list currently contains all of the provinces/states for the USA, Canada, and Australia). Cheers, Donovan.

talk to the Cache-U-Nutsm in utah they planned and executed a fun poker game at our last get together....their idea worked real well

What the heck, we helped with the first. I am sure that I can talk Rhonda into helping with anyothers. Sorry, I haven't been around caching much lately but the Dive team has kept me VERY busy lately. But, we are back into the swing of things. I can't believe that there are all these caches in KC now..... I have to get busy. Ryan and Rhonda

Never mind protecting the park land. Protect your own butt. Ms. Keener says that Rangers have an "obligation" to "accost" people who don't play by the rules, although she doesn't know what the rules are. So hide your caches in local parks, where Rangers feel an obligation to *talk* to people instead of to accost them. ------------------ Chip the Big Folk

Yeah, I e-mailed Buxley and asked him to consider making a detail map... and it was done within 12 hours. Talk about service! Thanks, Ed!

Check the media page for the 702 interview: The Computer Show is presented by Malcolm Russell every Saturday afternoon at 1:00pm on 702 Talk Radio and 567MW Cape Talk. Interview with Prof Charles Merry (UCT), 11 August 2001, duration 7:12. ------------------ Peter Scholtz www.biometrics.co.za

ManuelCasi's experience gives me an idea, so maybe something positive will come from his experience. Using Geocaches as a place to meet people. You could leave semi-anonymous information about yourself and an email address, like a special yahoo or hotmail account. You know you have at least a love for Geocaching in common, which would at least give you something to talk about on the first date. It might even be possible to create caches specifically for this purpose. Dan

quote:One word of warning: make sure you have fresh batteries. Bad things can happen if your Etrex shuts off during upload. Many thanks for this tip. I won't forget. As for using an IBM, only Macs at work, but luckily like every other Macuser in the world, I know about a gabillion people who have an IBM. I'm sure I can talk my neighbor into playing.

Quote, from Redd umb question alert: What if you need to carry other supplies like food, clothes, tent, etc. How do you carry water and a full pack? What I do is talk just the bladder and place it in in the top section of my backpack. Mine has a top cover, with a small compartmnet and that is where I put the water.. As far as keeping the bladder clean, if I am out in the bush, it doesn't seem to be a problem as long as I keep water in it and rotated. For longer term storage, I place my bladders in the freezer..

Quote, from Redd umb question alert: What if you need to carry other supplies like food, clothes, tent, etc. How do you carry water and a full pack? What I do is talk just the bladder and place it in in the top section of my backpack. Mine has a top cover, with a small compartmnet and that is where I put the water.. As far as keeping the bladder clean, if I am out in the bush, it doesn't seem to be a problem as long as I keep water in it and rotated. For longer term storage, I place my bladders in the freezer..

I was using an approx 4yo GPS (originally purchased for fishing but it broke down last week, diagosis yet to be determined), no maps, just minimal info, worked fine! Regarding salesman and product knowledge... mutually exclusive aren't they (no offence intended porsteve! - in the world of the web this is even more so) Heard an advert yesterday for a car yard extolling the virtues of their female sales force. I thought, well that wouldn't be a bad idea, they could talk to (not down to) women buyers, and if they read the sales brochures, they would know more about the cars they sold than the current crop of guys one has to encounter!

I was using an approx 4yo GPS (originally purchased for fishing but it broke down last week, diagosis yet to be determined), no maps, just minimal info, worked fine! Regarding salesman and product knowledge... mutually exclusive aren't they (no offence intended porsteve! - in the world of the web this is even more so) Heard an advert yesterday for a car yard extolling the virtues of their female sales force. I thought, well that wouldn't be a bad idea, they could talk to (not down to) women buyers, and if they read the sales brochures, they would know more about the cars they sold than the current crop of guys one has to encounter!

Sounds like researching the topo info for the area of the cache would help. I am the worst person to talk about it, but tracking down as much information in advance a possible can really make caches a lot easier. I have been within 200 feet of a cache found a river between the cache and me. Had I bothered to grab a street map, and a topo map I could have had easy parking near the cache, and short walking distance. That said, we really could use a more descriptive terrain option. Something like how some movies will say "Rated PG-13 for brief nudity", we could have "Rated 1.5 for short steep hill". It is possible to do that now in the description, but it is completely subjective. Maybe have a disable checkbox? I think even just mentioning in the cache placement FAQ to keep this in mind when writing a description for a cache would be a big help. Dan

ly' then that's what we must do. I agree we need to do all we can to show our best to those who are not familiar with geocaching. What could help is to take those unfamiliar or even those who say they are against geocaching on a cache hunt. They would find it is fun, family orientated, and generally safe. Except for one biker jerk, I have been free from hostilities. People I talk to tend to think this is a pretty neat thing. But then I have not placed a cache yet, just hunted them. We need the best press we can possibly get - always. I would LOVE to take a park ranger along with me some time. One-on-one in the woods. It is a challenge before us. [This message has been edited by Lou C (edited 17 August 2001).]

I can help you out. Lets talk offline.

Hey Peter, I am all american, I just worked over in jo'burg as a paramedic for 2 years. I sure miss the country, and the cricket! It was alot easier to talk afrikaans to some patients. But it has been 3 years since I have moved back to the states and I have to say, I have lost most of it . Forgot about all the trouble in Zimbabwa, so I'm sure it not the best time to be placing any caches there. So, I guess Botswanna and Joburg will my spots to add a few caches. Totsiens.. WizMedic

Hey Peter, I am all american, I just worked over in jo'burg as a paramedic for 2 years. I sure miss the country, and the cricket! It was alot easier to talk afrikaans to some patients. But it has been 3 years since I have moved back to the states and I have to say, I have lost most of it . Forgot about all the trouble in Zimbabwa, so I'm sure it not the best time to be placing any caches there. So, I guess Botswanna and Joburg will my spots to add a few caches. Totsiens.. WizMedic