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Hope you don't mind an American butting in here but I wanted to suggest you talk to Moun10bike. I seem to recall him recently mentioning that he's not using his coins as travel bugs anymore because they seem to drift off anyways. Another thing to keep in mind for travel bugs is that not everyone knows how to log them and at this point seem to have a high tendancy to go MIA. If I were you I would definitely go for the hole in the coin so that you can attach some sort of laminated instruction card if you are going to use them as travel bugs. Just sharing my thoughts.

This thread might help. Also you can talk about triangulation as well, since the GPS receiver is kind of using "reverse triangulation" to determine it's own location. Here's my take on triangulation. Just a couple of thoughts... ------------------ Markwell My GPS Activity Page Non omnes vagi perditi sunt [This message has been edited by Markwell (edited 23 January 2002).]

I am posting late, but what a blast!!! I thought it was so funny when someone said, "So where is everyone from?" ZIP, ZIP, ZIP goes the scrolling screen. Wheeeee! Excellent job, ClayJar. I know the GGA members would be honored to participate in a future moderated session. Last night was pretty much a fun free for all. It will be too cool to see Jeremy in there if he can check in next week. Everyone will freak out! Last but not least, chat does offer some interactivity that AOL and Yahoo Instant Messanger do not. I am also one that will NOT install either of them on my computer. I have ICQ, and do not want a conflicting client. I use ICQ with BuddyPhone to talk to my dad for free! mIRC is easy to download and configure, and I am sure many people would help if assistance was needed. I also used ClayJar's Java link with great success. Totally AWESOME. Tons of fun. See ya next week... mtn-man from the GGA! [This message has been edited by mtn-man (edited 22 January 2002).]

that AOL and Yahoo Instant Messanger do not. I am also one that will NOT install either of them on my computer. I have ICQ, and do not want a conflicting client. I use ICQ with BuddyPhone to talk to my dad for free! mIRC is easy to download and configure, and I am sure many people would help if assistance was needed. I also used ClayJar's Java link with great success. Totally AWESOME. Tons of fun. See ya next week... mtn-man from the GGA! [This message has been edited by mtn-man (edited 22 January 2002).]

that AOL and Yahoo Instant Messanger do not. I am also one that will NOT install either of them on my computer. I have ICQ, and do not want a conflicting client. I use ICQ with BuddyPhone to talk to my dad for free! mIRC is easy to download and configure, and I am sure many people would help if assistance was needed. I also used ClayJar's Java link with great success. Totally AWESOME. Tons of fun. See ya next week... mtn-man from the GGA! [This message has been edited by mtn-man (edited 22 January 2002).]

I am posting late, but what a blast!!! I thought it was so funny when someone said, "So where is everyone from?" ZIP, ZIP, ZIP goes the scrolling screen. Wheeeee! Excellent job, ClayJar. I know the GGA members would be honored to participate in a future moderated session. Last night was pretty much a fun free for all. It will be too cool to see Jeremy in there if he can check in next week. Everyone will freak out! Last but not least, chat does offer some interactivity that AOL and Yahoo Instant Messanger do not. I am also one that will NOT install either of them on my computer. I have ICQ, and do not want a conflicting client. I use ICQ with BuddyPhone to talk to my dad for free! mIRC is easy to download and configure, and I am sure many people would help if assistance was needed. I also used ClayJar's Java link with great success. Totally AWESOME. Tons of fun. See ya next week... mtn-man from the GGA! [This message has been edited by mtn-man (edited 22 January 2002).]

quote:Originally posted by Rich in NEPA: Max, most of the Garmin units will talk directly to each other, and Garmin sells a simple GPSR-GPSR cable. I've already done it with my 12XL and map76 a couple of times, as well as swapping waypoints with friends in the field. It's definitely a very handy feature. Other than that, I've been using G7toWin on my laptop for general waypoint, route and track management, and to exchange data between MapTech's Terrain Navigator program as well as to/from my GPSR units when I'm home. Programs such as G7toWin and EasyGPS, to name just two, are genuinely helpful and easy to use. Cheers ... Can you transfer waypoints from GPS to GPS on Garmin models such as the eMap, Etrex series, or GPS V? If so, what GPS menu option do you use? I have read the manuals for many of these models and have not seen this option mentioned. Steve Simpkin

dude, bunk, why not talk to those 2 goys that hide them???

quote:Originally posted by Max Wedge:Or better yet, maybe a direct link GPS to GPS? Max, most of the Garmin units will talk directly to each other, and Garmin sells a simple GPSR-GPSR cable. I've already done it with my 12XL and map76 a couple of times, as well as swapping waypoints with friends in the field. It's definitely a very handy feature. Other than that, I've been using G7toWin on my laptop for general waypoint, route and track management, and to exchange data between MapTech's Terrain Navigator program as well as to/from my GPSR units when I'm home. Programs such as G7toWin and EasyGPS, to name just two, are genuinely helpful and easy to use. Cheers ... ------------------ ~Rich in NEPA~ ==================================================================== ? A man with a GPS receiver knows where he is; a man with two GPS receivers is never sure. ? ====================================================================

I have an 8lbs 12v gelcell in my backpack (if the cahce is not close to the truck). I have my GPS (with it's adapter cord) pluged into it. ALONG with my 2meter radio to talk back to my home base or other people. Also my 12v spotlight (if night tine cahcing). I also carry a minimag so I dont have to run the BIG light for extended periods. I have been out for 5 hours useing my spot quite often in pitch black and have not depleated my 12v gelcell. BUT if it does go down, I have 12AA in my pack as a backup, (also as cache items) for my minimag, gps, and ham radio. Better leave home prepared.... ------------------ "MY gps said it's RIGHT HERE!" http://www.geogadgets.com

I have an 8lbs 12v gelcell in my backpack (if the cahce is not close to the truck). I have my GPS (with it's adapter cord) pluged into it. ALONG with my 2meter radio to talk back to my home base or other people. Also my 12v spotlight (if night tine cahcing). I also carry a minimag so I dont have to run the BIG light for extended periods. I have been out for 5 hours useing my spot quite often in pitch black and have not depleated my 12v gelcell. BUT if it does go down, I have 12AA in my pack as a backup, (also as cache items) for my minimag, gps, and ham radio. Better leave home prepared.... ------------------ "MY gps said it's RIGHT HERE!" http://www.geogadgets.com

ing that time I've had chances to talk to people from all over the country (6 years customer service answering phones). I've discovered that jerks come in all different flavors. I've talked to some particularily obnoxious people with east coast accents, but I'll not make the mistake of labeling all of the people on the east coast on the basis of the actions of a few prime time jerks. Perhaps you should try the same.

quote:Originally posted by yrium: I'm a bit worried that some might find them annoying. What is your opinion? Am I a geocaching Del Griffith? --- yrium --- I go along with the others who enjoy your long logs. I feel neglected because my cache only got a paragraph or two from you. I also think the suggestions about making your own web page are a great idea. If you could compile your logs in one place, it would make a great source of reading. Maybe Jeremy could make a section on the website for people to post short stories about their web adventures. Something along the lines of the page that posts the news articles. Hey, going along with my tendency to over do things, he could compile all the stories into a book form and sell it. All proceeds going to the website; then?the movie deal and the talk show circuit. Ok, ok, just put me down as liking long logs.

quote:Originally posted by yrium: I'm a bit worried that some might find them annoying. What is your opinion? Am I a geocaching Del Griffith? --- yrium --- I go along with the others who enjoy your long logs. I feel neglected because my cache only got a paragraph or two from you. I also think the suggestions about making your own web page are a great idea. If you could compile your logs in one place, it would make a great source of reading. Maybe Jeremy could make a section on the website for people to post short stories about their web adventures. Something along the lines of the page that posts the news articles. Hey, going along with my tendency to over do things, he could compile all the stories into a book form and sell it. All proceeds going to the website; then?the movie deal and the talk show circuit. Ok, ok, just put me down as liking long logs.

In another thread on this forum about "the other" geocaching site there was talk about it having caches that were considered to be commercial caches on geocaching.com. What makes a cache commercial? Corporate sponsorship? Cost to find? Stache of restaurant coupons in the box? Forgive me if this has been covered before. New ranting always keeps the waters stirred. ------------------ VentureForth out to the wild, wet forest...

Okay, since the other one is too long and has digressed to who-knows-where, let's all start talking in a new thread. So, anyone still want to head up to Ferengi Wormhole? I might be able to talk J.'s mom into letting her dad give us a ride in a few weeks if I have friends with me. (Oh, and everybody who can, come chat tomorrow evening at 8:30 our time. ) [This message has been edited by ClayJar (edited 20 January 2002).]

Okay, since the other one is too long and has digressed to who-knows-where, let's all start talking in a new thread. So, anyone still want to head up to Ferengi Wormhole? I might be able to talk J.'s mom into letting her dad give us a ride in a few weeks if I have friends with me. (Oh, and everybody who can, come chat tomorrow evening at 8:30 our time. ) [This message has been edited by ClayJar (edited 20 January 2002).]

"Yes but we're talking about a commodity ... data." Information is generally sold as a service, not a commodity, though I'm sure Garmin would throw in some pork belly's... Seriously, you have two rational choices, sell it as a one shot, or sell one CD, but let people buy unlock codes. Selling individual CDs is stupid for items under about $100 at these volumes. (that is why the USGS does it). Then you have tons of distribution, manufacturing and service headaches and costs. Regardless of what approach you take, you'll get malcontents (as this thread shows). On the one hand, you'll have people *****ing about the need to buy all. On the other (and market research shows that most the time this is the much bigger group), you get people screaming that you are nickel and diming them when they *know* all the data is just sitting on the CD they have. "The Mapsource software is a fairly lame interface to the data. It's worth about $0.35. My nephew could write a better interface and he's only 4 years old." ROFLMAO! I love it when people talk about how trivial it is to write, distribute, and service, horizontally targeted software. I take it you have zero experience in software development? Or, a computer science major? (Inside joke, they come to us clueless, and 'Institutional Software' is, as a rule, terrible.) By my standards, MapSource is pretty weak, but it is actually above average for a hardware manufacturer, and less lame than some of the $50-$100 3rd party packages floating around. "No, rather, the cost to Garmin and therefore the price of MapSource is the data. Further, it is modular in nature." Nope, the data is a modest cost (you can price it online yourself). The computers and development tools for the engineers probably cost more. Engineers burden out to about $14K-$20K a month, artsy types generally a bit less. The big factors are labor, marketing/distribution, and support infrastructure (the last two might be swapped). "When was the last time you went to a restaurant and the waiter told you had to order one of everything or nothing at all?" Aside from a salad bar, restaurant's usually control the portion sizes. The last time I checked, Garmin offers several CD's with assorted data on each. If you don't like the portions, go to Taco Bell... -jjf

"Yes but we're talking about a commodity ... data." Information is generally sold as a service, not a commodity, though I'm sure Garmin would throw in some pork belly's... Seriously, you have two rational choices, sell it as a one shot, or sell one CD, but let people buy unlock codes. Selling individual CDs is stupid for items under about $100 at these volumes. (that is why the USGS does it). Then you have tons of distribution, manufacturing and service headaches and costs. Regardless of what approach you take, you'll get malcontents (as this thread shows). On the one hand, you'll have people *****ing about the need to buy all. On the other (and market research shows that most the time this is the much bigger group), you get people screaming that you are nickel and diming them when they *know* all the data is just sitting on the CD they have. "The Mapsource software is a fairly lame interface to the data. It's worth about $0.35. My nephew could write a better interface and he's only 4 years old." ROFLMAO! I love it when people talk about how trivial it is to write, distribute, and service, horizontally targeted software. I take it you have zero experience in software development? Or, a computer science major? (Inside joke, they come to us clueless, and 'Institutional Software' is, as a rule, terrible.) By my standards, MapSource is pretty weak, but it is actually above average for a hardware manufacturer, and less lame than some of the $50-$100 3rd party packages floating around. "No, rather, the cost to Garmin and therefore the price of MapSource is the data. Further, it is modular in nature." Nope, the data is a modest cost (you can price it online yourself). The computers and development tools for the engineers probably cost more. Engineers burden out to about $14K-$20K a month, artsy types generally a bit less. The big factors are labor, marketing/distribution, and support infrastructure (the last two might be swapped). "When was the last time you went to a restaurant and the waiter told you had to order one of everything or nothing at all?" Aside from a salad bar, restaurant's usually control the portion sizes. The last time I checked, Garmin offers several CD's with assorted data on each. If you don't like the portions, go to Taco Bell... -jjf

Would you be willing to be interviewed for my article? I am actually going to go out next Tuesday night after work (but before it gets too dark) with one of the people who has a cache around here in Lansing. I'd like to get into this sport and I'm trying to learn more about it. I'm particularly interested in the travelers...the things that travel from one cache to another across the country. Have you ever been a part of that? Thanks for responding to the email. I hope you can spare a few minutes to either email me or talk to me about your experiences. quote:Originally posted by Clay:I just hit most of the caches in Lansing last Sunday. All thats left is 'the big boat'. Finally, I have something to do when there is no snow on the ground for x-c skiing, and too much ice on the lakes for kayaking, but not enough for fishing. Lansing was the closest cluster to my home, next will be Toledo or GR.

Welcome to the forums, XSnoopy! There is an Xterra Xcursion on the 19th but unfortunately, I can't make it because of work obligations! (Can't wait to retire in 3-5 years!) I read about the details of your trip--that it includes some geocaching on the side. Wish I could come! Tsk tsk...Sigh...Oh well... Let's schedule a hide & seek get-together within San Diego or beyond...talk to you later.

Welcome to the forums, XSnoopy! There is an Xterra Xcursion on the 19th but unfortunately, I can't make it because of work obligations! (Can't wait to retire in 3-5 years!) I read about the details of your trip--that it includes some geocaching on the side. Wish I could come! Tsk tsk...Sigh...Oh well... Let's schedule a hide & seek get-together within San Diego or beyond...talk to you later.

I learned today that I'm addicted. I had only two classes--the last one gets out at 12:45, so I formulated a plan in my head while I was showering this morning that I would go geocaching after class. There are two new caches about an hour away that I've been meaning to find. I get out of the shower, and my phone rings. When I answer it, on the other end I hear a female "friend," (ahem) and she wants to know if I would like to "get together" this afternoon. My actual thought at that moment was that it would interfere with my geocaching trip. I even spent a few sentences trying to explain to her that I'd be out for much of the afternoon. Then this particular thread came into my mind and I realized what was happening to me. I really felt like I needed to talk about it. I was able to straighten out my priorities when I convinced myself that I can go search for the caches any time I want. ...but, (gasp) what if they're plundered? Jamie

Hi, My name is Jeff Tyler. I'm a reporter with a national public radio show called The Savvy Traveler. I'm working on a story about geo-caching. If you live in the Los Angeles area and would be willing to talk about your interest in this modern treasure hunt, please email me at jtpepe@aol.com. Or reply here. Thanks, JT

Oh my God, I thought some of the caches around me were bad. After seeing all the talk, I finally looked at 84660. Pitiful!! There has to be some standard for approving these caches. I'm glad to see Jeremy at the helm on this. rdw