Sileny Jizda

How well does the moss hold up?

I tell the truth better than I lie so I tell it like it is. I figure the worst that'll happen is I get stuffed in the back of a car until they sort it out. Our local judge caches so I'm not worried that much. lol

The park the cache is located in is a city park with supposedly absolutely no hunting allowed. We're not going to even think about using a peanut butter jar. We've found a few and they don't work real well at all. lol I'll take note of the recommended places to visit for containers in the future also. This was the third cache whacked in about 3 weeks. One was a repair job, the other was a city crew cleaning up another park. Nothing really odd at all there. From what I've seen so far the other caches in the park have remained untouched. The new container we are making will be hidden even better and blend more effectively. We figure while we're there we'll drop off another in the park that should drive people nuts.

In our area he's the only guy to get cans from at an army surplus store in Wooster (Link). Other places I've seen on the net to purchase them from when shipping is included ends up costing the same per can to ship here. Unless I can find another supplier within 50 miles of Holmes County, Ohio I don't plan on buying them online. As for using them anymore I'm planning on finding another alternative that won't be as appealing to someone looking to steal them. My only other option is stamping our name, cache number, and contact info on the can. That's assuming it would be used as a cache again and someone notices when they find the cache. Frankly I'm not that interested in all that work for a can. It's easier just to hide something smaller or a different type of container. My definition of Geocache Bandit: Anyone that uses a GPS and the information provided here to find and steal someone else's hard worked for property. I know they exist and do abuse the system here for finding what they want be it cans, tb's, or geocoins. As for their not being any thieves amongst cacher's that's wishful thinking. Any group large enough will have a twisted minority within it. It's human nature. In my opinion people like that, should they ever be found, need to be strung up by their particulars.

In these parts they between $12 to $20 and are (as the guy that I buy them from says) hard as hens teeth to get. From the log I received they also took the laminated geocaching info card we made as well. We'll verify in the next week for certain. The plastic bucket is looking better and better.

hmm, up a tree..... lol, if you saw my body type you'd know there isn't a tree that'd hold me and the ones that can my legs are too short to try and climb. My wife is an ER nurse but I don't think she wants to practice on me. We're thinking about a multi using signs right now. Definatly going with a cheaper container. We have a 5 gallon bucket in the garage with a snap tight lid.

LOL, sounds good to me. The ironic thing is the original site didn't seem to have muggle problems at all in the entire previous 5 years it was active. This was the last cache we expected to get jacked like this. If anything our most concerned cache was the one where I work with tourists all about.

I wish we had your luck. For the moment we're debating whether to replace the container or can the cache altogether. Thing is we have to make our decision before we go after it. It's an thirty minute trip by car and about 45 minute hike in to get to it. One thing is certain the next container won't be an ammo can and our next ammo cans will all be metal stamped with the cache number, our cache name and contact info.

That's the thing though, you didn't just pass by and see this particular cache. They also took the time to replace the contents in the bag, and place the bag where the container was hidden. Far from a typical snatch and run.

Honestly, as I type this I'm mad enough to spit nails and break fence posts. I just got a report of one of our caches being visited by a Cache Bandit. Essentially, our cache container was stolen. More things than not point to a geocacher taking it. First, it's a park no hunting. It's a park that requires a fairly decent hike down to the location and back out packing the ammo can. Second, they had the gall to take only the can, and leave the contents in the bag in the original location nice and neat. Third, you can't see the cache on a good day because it's in a grove of trees in the middle of a field, in the middle of a tree. In order to get off the trail to go towards the cache you don't need to brushwhack but it takes some real doing to get to the clearing to go to the cache. Bottom line the only possible outcome is cacher too d%^$ cheap to go buy their own container. I'm ruling out a cacher with a grudge since to my knowledge we haven't upset anyone. The previous owner of the cache location was given ample notice to remedy their cache situation and didn't. However, I wonder since they did log on not long after we placed the cache and haven't found any new caches or placed any either. Maybe a tit for tat situation. Who knows. What I do know I don't take outright theft lightly. For now we're trying to decide whether or not to bother replacing the cache. In the original container we placed, we put enough ample supply to last 4-6 months given the number of visitors the previous had. Right now I don't want to place another ammo can only to have the Geocache Bandit steal from me again so I'm not sure what to do. Sorry for the rambling but I needed to vent.

I've use Krylon Fusion and didn't have much luck. Am I doing something wrong?

We found a 'container' that was a lable package. Similar to the ones you get the "Hello My Name Is" plastic packaging that opens in half. Ironically, the log was dry.

If I needed a boat I would think it a 5 star rating. At the very least a 4. Given the difficulty of getting into a boat for some. I'm just thinking of how a true one should be determined based on some links I was sent about handicapped accessible caches.

Honesty is not the only thing that honor consists of, wavector. I don't have any problem at all if someone forgot a pencil. However, when someone claims a find with no evidence of a find and says such it calls into question all other finds. Say I decide to just go start logging finds on every cache within 50 miles. Granted I'm the only one that knows for that instance but sooner or later others will know and my integrity questioned. All a person has in this life one it is passed is their honor, integrity, and good name. I choose not to stain that and do as the guidelines state and that includes logging my find in the book before I log it online here. If the book is full I leave a sheet. If the book is wet I leave a sheet. If I forget my pen, I don't look. Heck, the wife shoots a pic of every cache we find. Guess what we don't do when I don't have a camera. We don't look. Not in the guidelines here but her's are unbreakable. I have a friend that looks, finds, logs, but doesn't log online. That's their thing. However, the point is the log in the container is signed. In my opinion just walking within 50' to 10' or even 1' of ground zero doesn't constitute a find. If you feel that it does I ask whats the point of keeping track of the numbers anyway? I wonder if they would hold any value if the numbers were only available to the profile owner. Most likely not. The individual I brought up was new to the game and I wondered what the general consensuses was with this type of situation. The result after suggestions here was positive. Most here seem to cache with honor as do I. some may chose to not do so. That's their choice.

I received a reply from the individual that was indeed most positive. They understood said they didn't know about logging it as a DNF or just posting a note. As such they said they would in the future should the situation arise again. A positive outcome to say the least. I brought it up as a question of honor because I noticed one other incident with the logs and the written log book in the cache that didn't add up before this. I think of it as a question of honor because if one just lets everyone play the game as they see fit with no regards to the standards set forth then what is the point. Really. We've to date have 97 finds. Nothing large to brag about. However, we earned those finds and worked for them. If we were to take the mindset to just play as we see fit then what would stop us or anyone else for that matter from just logging a bunch of caches online without actually going to them. For myself it is a matter of honor, honesty, and integrity. Every cache we log is a find we discovered. Sure we could split up and double our finds in a day but where is the integrity or fun in that? True you could play the way you want. I choose to do it honest. Otherwise, the game is nothing more than a farse.

The cache we placed that most likely started this thread, as I've said before is anything but a micro. When we approached the library staff to place it they were first a little stand offish because they've never heard of geocaching. After some discussion and showing them what it was all about they were eager to let us place a cache on site. We knew full well the muggle factor would be high. We also knew that the muggle factor would only b high during certain hours as well. With that comes cache maintenance. Just this week we had to bring the old man home and patch him up. All of the library staff knew of it and it's location. Most of them find him amusing and even check to see if he's okay as they walk in. A factor that does away with the majority of the worry of LEO and any confrontation from the staff is the fact they know and approved of it. Most of the micro parking lot caches we've found I've questioned how they got permission. However, that's the placer's responsibility to obtain that. With the steps we took to place ours we appreciate those that don't try and wait more than those that would just use the attitude that we placed it with disregard to location. It's that same mindset we use when we look for a cache. Placing ourselves in the mindset of the placer gives us more consideration and appreciation for the cache and it's owner than some it seems though. The way we see it caching is as hard or easy as you make it. It's also as fun as you make it.

Ive read over everyone's comments and took careful consideration as to what to do about the situation. Had the roles been reversed and standard opinions as to what is and is not a find I wouldn't be upset myself if I learned something from it. As such, I took the advice of using the email approach and removing the log itself. I also offered any help and potential teaming up in the future to share our experience and knowledge with them since they are new. Unfortunately, we followed up on another log that said the cache was chipped only to find it was actually a big chunk that we need to repair. LPC's aside this one, while near a parking lot (garden area), and at the public library is different than most LPC's we've found. The container is much larger than a film canister and rivals that of most similar sized lock n locks. It's a gator aid powder canister that looks like a small orange cooler. The hide itself is actually something that blends into the environment that it is placed and is well received by the library staff and regular patrons. We placed it with the intention for it to be easy but tricky with great care to be taken not to be seen in finding it. For that reason I appreciate them not actually giving up the cache to sign the log book. However, I do feel that overcoming the environmental obstacle's, whether it be the muggles or terrain on a 5/5 is part of the experience as well as signing the log. We put a great deal of time in the hide, the location, and the idea of the cache. To just dismiss it as a LPC or just hover over the hide and say we found it makes it no different than the ones that drop pill bottles with a paper in it or say they found a cache that wasn't there. We could toss film canisters everywhere considering our county doesn't have many cache hides. However, we decided to hide no more than we can handle. To hide them in interesting places we like. And to try and make the name, container, and location as amusing as possible once all of them are added up. The Librarian was actually conceived out of the frustration we had in getting the cache Yes Sir General Putt Sir in Sugarcreek, OH. While we figured it out after the third try it eluded us due to the nature of the location and the hide with muggle traffic. We eventually overcame the obstacles and got the cache and signed the log after a rainy wait. Librarian was ment to offer the same difficulty while having a few opportune times in which to do the cache muggleless. We do thank everyone for their suggestions. Particularly the email CR. We think that was the best route to take in resolving the matter. Again, thanks everyone for the help.

The one that I mentioned above. Known as Junk In The Trunk.

We had an interesting log online for one of our cache hides. It basically said, "We found the cache but couldn't retrieve due to muggles so we didn't sign the log." With that they claimed a find for our cache without actually logging it in the container. What would you do?

At one point I dubbed my wife a 'bug muggler' since she snatched up every one she could find.

The funniest part is she is from the Czech Republic. I tell you the stuff she picks up at work makes me wonder. lol

We're about to place the largest cache in our home county. Then again we don't have many either so...

I don't see much sense in emm right now. Our cache containers get visited at least once a week. Two of them have muggles galore and yet to have either one damaged, removed, or tampered with.

We still haven't found a cache we didn't like. We have found a few that didn't make us feel comfortable. The one I felt the most uncomfortable with though entailed my wife essentially telling some midget muggles to pound sand when they asked what we were doing in a park walking around. She definatly needed some time off.

We have a lot of micro's in our area. When we feel we can move one fast enough we move it, particularly the larger bugs. We don't do paperless so we go by the paper we have on hand. More times than naught we've picked one up with the intention of moving it to another cache only to hit a string of micro's or smalls that can't accommodate the size of bug. The couple cache containers we have that are large enough we drop them in because of access. At $3.00 a gallon we've scaled back our caching. At any rate we have our reasons for using the discover option and lazy damned sure isn't it.