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UMC, perhaps you could explain the difference between complaining and offering suggestions in an effort to improve something? As I see it, there is not much difference other than the way it is interpreted -- and if you're not willing to take opinions and suggestions in a positive, and open-minded manner, it will be construed as a complaint every time -- regardless of how reasonable and polite the delivery of the suggestion is. If all someone ever does is grumble about how something sucks, without ever adding some suggestions of how to make it better then it probably is complaining. If that's what you are referring to, then I guess I do know what you mean. But the way that you said it, everyone here who is not paying for a membership is doing nothing but complaining. And that's just not true. But the point of this thread (as outlined in the first post) is that there is still a lot of inconsistency with the moderation of the discussions. From what I see this is true (this is not a complaint -- it is an observation). It is also my observation that one of the moderators is pretty quick on the delete button and could use a bit of moderation himself (should I not mention that at the risk of being labelled a complainer?). And having said that, I believe that the majority of moderators are quite level-headed and use a good amount of fairness in their actions. In the end, do I have a lot to complain about?... NO. Do I have opinions and suggestions of ways to make things better -- you bet I do. Complaining, suggesting, opinions -- they are all pretty close together -- it would do well to define the boundaries of each before pointing a finger at others. I think you know what I mean. *****

Wrong. There is no obligation to pay here -- we are all told on a regular basis that the service is free. Period. I have no need for pocket queries so there is no incentive for me to pay other than out of guilt (don't take that to mean that I will never pay or that I'm suggesting that others don't pay). Perhaps if peoples suggestions were greeted with some positive feedback, I'll change my mind -- sorry but "tough nuts" doesn't cut it in my books. As for your complaining about the complaining, these discussion boards are for the purpose of discussing caching -- by your reasoning, anyone not paying should not even consider offering opinions or suggestions (which can always be construed to be complaints) of how to make the activity better. Should we all just ignore the negative things about this activity and only mention the warm fuzzy stuff? Paid membership or not, everyone's opinion should count here. Just because someone doesn't fork out 30 bucks (for whatever their reasons) doesn't mean that their opinions don't matter. Would it be wrong then to suggest to the chef that there is too much salt in the mix? Is that complaining or is it suggesting ways of improving the broth? *****

It's not a bad thing for me. Bingo!!! Apparently you don't think so though, otherwise you'd have no reason to bring this enlightening story up here. *****

I'll be sure not to engage in any discussions with an individual here in the discussion forums in the future. *****

Well, it wasn't helpful, that's for sure. Regarding the honesty part, from what you've said, you'd rather hold back on what you really feel is right or correct, and suck up to the admins instead. Ya, you're right, you're being completely honest. *****

Now that's really helpful. And honest. *****

Comments like yours are the reason why many people feel inhibited to express their thoughts about such matters. Perhaps it would be better if you kept *your* whining to yourself. lessenergy has some very valid points that should be taken seriously. *****

I'd have to agree with most of lessenergy's post. These forums have gone from near anarchy to something else that is far from reasonable in a few weeks. I was just given a warning yesterday (could I hold the honor of being the first?) -- for expressing a viewpoint -- there was no hostility in my post but the moderator (I won't say which one but his userID starts with "CO") told me that I was being 'personal' in the forums. Right. Can't have that. I can't tell you exactly what the rules are lessenergy because there are many of them that "depend on the situation", but I can tell you that if you want to discuss what those rules are you might get told "Reasons for why a user is banned are not for public discussion". I guess you're supposed to learn what gets you banned from using this site by trial and error -- at any rate, you'd best not talk about it (oh, by the way, the only thing worse than talking about rules, is talking about approvers and approval policies). You've brought up some very relevant observations that the owners and management of this site should pay attention to. Let's hope that they do. Please be innocuous when you post and "tough nuts" if you don't like it. *****

And then it might be justified. There wasn't a *destructive* pirate loose in our area though. Absolutely. And for whatever reason they choose. But if they are going to complain about something that isn't quite what they say it is, then they should expect to be corrected. *****

As far as I know, other than Vancouver Transit, there were no other caches effected in an adverse way by our local pirate. Since the local pirates said that they would not bother with anyone's caches that did not want to participate (and indeed did not), I don't see why you felt the need to make your caches MO. Perhaps in light of this, you'd like to reconsider your stance on the MO caches? *****

Actually, more acurately, some cachers over-reacted to this. Actually, it was only a very small minority in our neighbourhood who objected to our local pirate (as you well know). Glad to see that your MO caches are getting lot's of traffic, Zuuky. *****

Which of the many errors would that be? Surely not all of them. *****

Wow. Godwins Law implemented in the first post. I guess that's the end of this topic. *****

That's because you were behaving yourself. *****

??? - Who said anything about a typo? *****

Is there a point to this? *****

Well, that sort of takes the fun out of it doesn't it? *****

Does this faq that you speak of have anything to do with a rest stop? *****

What would entertainment look like if it weren't for caching? *****

How many caching forum members does it take to change a light bulb? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 1 to move it to the Lighting section 2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section 7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 5 to flame the spell checkers 3 to correct spelling/grammar flames 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again. *****

Is this a new method of pirating a cache? I love a good pirate story. *****

Fish, on the Garmin Legend it's done by accessing the Main Menu and then click sticking to the left and selecting Owner Information (from the drop down menu). Hope this helps. *****

Wow. That's worse than all caps. *****

Hey, don't take it the wrong way -- I was just letting you know. *****

Give it some time, I'll let you know. *****