GOF and Bacall

Statistics? No. Experience? Yes. While some people are great cache hiders from the start most of us learn as we go. Each hide getting better along the way. Don't take it personally when someone who has lots of experience hiding caches has a suggestion how to improve yours. Odds are they learned it the hard way.

A famous turd is still a turd. I doubt it will be anything spectacular. As you say, lots of listings will be submitted all at once in hopes of being the luck one.

The best thing you could do at this point is contact your reviewer and ask questions. Let them know what you have in mind and work with them to fix any problems that they see. Without knowing details we can only guess at answers.

Grab a shovel and start digging?

When we first started caching we could drive off in any direction and the caches we would find would usually lead someplace interesting. I had stacks of printed pages that we wouldn't read until we were there. It was a mysterious adventure every time we went caching. Now days we have to know where we want to go and then see if there are any interesting caches in the area. It takes some of the fun out of it. I'm just glad we got to enjoy the adventure before the lame micro became the norm.

The coordinates are on the cache page a few lines bellow the cache name. You need to be logged in to see them.

This sounds like the legal solution but I think the rule is a bit silly in this case. Plus, how many caches do you see on YouTube that violate this? Right from the top section of the guidelines: Yup. Just because some other idiot breaks the rules doesn't mean it's ok for everyone else to do so. If they start giving a pass on this or that cache because it's just a little bit over the rules where does it end?

That's the thing, the whiners are not the ones out there finding caches, just in here whining. That was brutal, Mrs. I. Did Roman hack your account and post that? I don't even get it. Who's whining? For me, someone mentioned ads (and cleavage), and I noted that I just recently started seeing IP address based ads that are "local" to me, and I posted one. And Millions of people all over the internets use ad blockers. I hardly think they need to be told to go outside and get fresh air. Adsense ads are extremely intelligent and able to show ads based on the location and browsing habits of an individual. I do have a few theories why you are seeing "cleavage" ads, actually I only have one theory. Beer ads? I seem to recall a photo that was posted here a few times that featured both beer and cleavage. I know it was a stretch. After all, so few beer ads feature cleavage.

Just place your cache there without permission. That is how most of those jewels are placed. Why should your be any different?

Next time, just use a bike lock to secure it to a tree.

That's usually my experience, as well. Mine as well. I will cross out fraudulent names in my logbook if there isn't an online found log. That takes care of that problem. You darn dirty puritan!

That's the thing, the whiners are not the ones out there finding caches, just in here whining. That was brutal, Mrs. I. Did Roman hack your account and post that? I don't even get it. Who's whining? For me, someone mentioned ads (and cleavage), and I noted that I just recently started seeing IP address based ads that are "local" to me, and I posted one. And Millions of people all over the internets use ad blockers. I hardly think they need to be told to go outside and get fresh air. Adsense ads are extremely intelligent and able to show ads based on the location and browsing habits of an individual. I do have a few theories why you are seeing "cleavage" ads, actually I only have one theory. Beer ads?

Yup.

Or you could come back when the log is accessible. I've done that many times.

People who filter out micros in their pocket queries aren't going to be happy about finding a bison tube embedded in a log. They're not going to be happy about finding a bison tube in any kind of cammo. Generally, people who really care about cache size are more concerned with interior space. +1 for this. Shaun Most that I know of who filter out micros do so because so dang many of them are crappy parking lot hides or such. I wouldn't mind finding a bison tube in a log if it was appropriate to the location and that location was more interesting than a Wally World parking lot.

It also allows me to bring every imaginable type of book to my desktop... That doesn't mean you've been to every library. Seeing a picture of Mona Lisa on your laptop is not the same as standing in front of it at the Louvre.

I agree with the cheesy comment. If you don't go to the cache location you have not completed the cache.

Is ice special equipment?

There are many reasons people choose to avoid listing the size of the cache. But most often it is to conceal the fact that it is a micro. I once asked someone why they did it. They told me "Because too many people filter out micros in their PQs."

'nice job solving the puzzle! Here's a turd for your efforts.'

+1 They are not doing any harm. +2 not yours, not yours to maintain. You know what, I don't like this attitude, actually. Look the other way, not my problem. Too easy. Yes, technically they belong to someone else. However, if the owner has abandoned their cache and it is not listed on another site (easy to check) are we as a community supposed to leave geo-trash lying around in the woods? For how long? For the next 200 years? How many caches are destined to end up as geo-trash? How will this reflect on our community as the number of abandoned containers lying out in the woods grows? There are so many people that join geocaching, place a cache, then disappear. The cache may disappear all-together, in which case, there is no problem. However, what about when a cache is muggled and some of the cache contents remain? Or if the container is damaged and then archived and the owner has not retrieved it. Or the cache got archived for some other reason and the container is still good. Should we just look the other way and say "not my problem"? I disagree strongly with this attitude. I find it simplistic and child-like to say "not my problem" and "look the other way" while geotrash accumulates in the woods. The situation can be handled in a way that respects the rights of the owner while also respecting the environment we are so priveleged to cache in. As a community we can and should be dealing with the problem of geo-trash. (The cache mentioned in this thread is still being found so I don't consider it geo-trash). I have the perfect example recently from my area: There was a series of 4 caches that were recently archived by the reviewer. Nobody has heard from the cache owner in a long time. Who knows, they may be dead. The series consisted of 3 caches and 1 final bonus cache. 1 in the series had gone missing and a 2nd had been chewed by a mouse, thus making it impossible to find the bonus cache without emailing another cacher for the numbers. All cache pages referred to the series. Even though 1 of the caches was fine and the final was still there, our reviewer archived the series. I went and picked up the mouse-chewed container, the magnetic keyholder that was still good and the series final. And no, they are not listed on another site. I posted notes on the cache page detailing what I did and have the containers in my possession, but have not heard from the cache owner. I doubt I ever will. I feel like I've done a community service and I think it would be great it everybody would feel this way: If the cache is archived, seems abandoned and nobody is looking for it anymore, you can: 1) Attempt to contact the cache owner by email and by posting notes on the cache page 2) Take a look at the cache owner's profile to see when they last logged on and when they last found a cache 3) Check other sites to make sure the cache in question is not listed there 4) Post a note on the cache page indicated you plan to remove the old container 5) Wait a bit 6) Remove the container and post another note indicated you have it and the owner can contact you if they want it back. Nice rant. But keep in mind that those people you quoted and called "simplistic and child-like" were talking about this particular situation.

I think it extremely rude that anyone would expect a prize for being FTF. Can't just be happy that you found a blank log book? That was just a list of possible things people might want to talk about. For me, personally, a blank log is all that is needed to make me deliriously happpy. Glad to hear that this isn't you. But I stand by the statement.

They aren't yours and are still being found via links on the GC.com site. And while I doubt your reviewer will mention it it has already been pointed out that they may be listed on another site.

I think it extremely rude that anyone would expect a prize for being FTF. Can't just be happy that you found a blank log book?

1. Have fun. 2. Irritate Keystone. (ok, so that is covered under number one )