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Prosser is one of many places in the US alone where a small stretch of road APPEARS to run uphill due to the surrounding landscape. It's an optical illusion. The road actually runs slightly downward where people mark the road "start", thus giving the illusion that a car is rolling uphill. It's an interesting illusion, but alas, the road there has no anti gravitational properties.

Finders are still responsible for reasonably proper handling of caches they find. Closing the container correctly, putting it back where it was found, not leaving inappropriate swag, don't contaminate containers with food, don't get the contents wet, etc. Unfortunately, there are no consequences for irresponsible seekers. (Irresponsible COs have their caches archived, which is at least some small measure of consequences.) Great point Joshism. I see this as part of cache maintenance. Much can be done by NOT doing careless things like you mention.

Interesting subject. I think a lot of what we see or experience as humans is affected by our particular mindset and experience in the past. for example, a few months ago I was hiking and camping in the Arivaca area of Arizona with a group of people. On one evening as we were all having dinner around the campfire, I witnessed what looked like and explosion at a very high altitude in the western sky. It plumed out to a perfect blue tinted sphere after the initial flash. Everyone in the party witnessed this event as it was visible for a good ten minutes. The first thing that came to my mind was "meteor", high angle impact with the upper atmosphere and exploded. But there were others in the party that immediately pulled the "alien/ufo" card out. When we asked how likely that explanation of a ufo was, to say, a more likely explanation (but vastly less exciting) of meteor.... it didn't matter to those who said "UFO!". When we got back to civilization and a wifi connection, we found out we had witnessed a Navy missile test off the coast of California (some of you on the west coast may remember this just a few months ago, November 2015). It was a high altitude explosion, just not one that came from the outer solar system, but from earthly origins. Conclusion: some people are predisposed to come to more "exotic" explanations because that's what they WANT to believe. I on the other hand am predisposed to say "I don't know" if I witness something I can't immediately explain, but my natural reaction is to search for natural explanations, and if those explanations don't work, I leave it as "I don't know...yet". I've never understood why some people fill their gap in knowledge with "supernatural" explanations almost immediately. Many times these same people will still hold their belief even when evidence to the contrary presents itself. I can only conclude they prefer the supernatural explanation to a natural one. Which is fine. No skin off my nose. Myself, this would never work for me, as those supernatural explanations raise more questions than they answer.

Out of curiosity, how did you find your re-located cache? I haven't had this happen to me (yet), but if it did it would anger me to no ends! I found out because after I had disabled the cache the last person to find it said that it had taken him quite a hunt, and he described to me where he had found it, and that wasn't where I'd put it. I hid the cache next to a tree , placed under some stones, but it had been subsequently placed in a gap in a nearby wall. If it were me, this person would be getting an e-mail from me telling him exactly what I thought of his actions.

uhm, yeah... it was a joke. wow. and now as my own little form of civil disobedience I will refuse to read the tos.

I like this also. I found a cache not too long ago that had been obviously muggled. It was a multi to a TB hotel. Everything was gone, including the log book and all the travelers. Only thing left was the container lying open on its sides. Cache owner has been long gone also, so no chance of any maintenance either. I wont take the find.

Out of curiosity, how did you find your re-located cache? I haven't had this happen to me (yet), but if it did it would anger me to no ends!

While Humphrey could potentially be a great and fun cache container, you'll have to be careful so he doesn't turn into a faded, cracked, leaky cache. Wait a minute. That's not the goal?

im no expert, but I use a Garmin 550. Its a pretty simple unit in by opinion, but I guess that's a relative word. I like using the "gps free technique" (no gps at all) more and more.

Looks like this individual has done this to another cache in your neck of the woods, GC2XW02. Not sure if your familiar with the CO of 'Sandbagged', but looks like his is gone also, same calling card message. I think you meant GC2XW0T. GC2XW02 is a few provinces over. Yes, thank you, my fault. I messaged the CO that he may want to check on it to see if its still there.

Collectable vs not collectable. Great subject! How many cachers out there actually read the tb page, does everyone think?

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Looks like this individual has done this to another cache in your neck of the woods, GC2XW02. Not sure if your familiar with the CO of 'Sandbagged', but looks like his is gone also, same calling card message.

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Not an excuse just a question. In fact I've run into this situation before only to discover that the cache owner was indeed maintaining the cache but not logging onto geocaching.com. I guess that's why I'm cautious. Part of the problem looks to be caused by a few cachers (not the owner) who have taken it upon themselves to fix up the cache a few times. At least up to the point the lock went missing. Obviously the lack of a lock hasn't stopped anyone from enjoying the cache. If I had to guess I'd say the cache owner is gone and the cache will slowly deteriorate. Too bad the last two finders didn't post a needs maintenance log as well. There's no doubt about it in my mind, he's long gone. I would be willing to adopt this one if the owner were willing and active. That's not going to happen either. This one will be destined to be a propped up ownerless cache that is no longer a proper multi and safe TB hotel. A rusting ammo can chained to a mesquite tree with the occasional scrap of paper thrown inside for a log and where TB's routinely get muggeled. I agree with the assumption that the CO is gone from the game. Their last login was 12/2014, the last find they logged was 7/2014, and this isn't their only cache that has been propped up. Their hides that only get a few visits each year seem to be doing okay, but probably because they are more isolated. For this particular cache, the lock has been missing for at least 3 years and TB's have been noted as missing several times since then. The cache description is certainly misleading when it describes this cache as a safe place for trackables. Good to see the NM logged. An NA log in mid-March noting the lack of maintenance and the throwdown logs is probably appropriate. That's the plan.

Not an excuse just a question. In fact I've run into this situation before only to discover that the cache owner was indeed maintaining the cache but not logging onto geocaching.com. I guess that's why I'm cautious. Part of the problem looks to be caused by a few cachers (not the owner) who have taken it upon themselves to fix up the cache a few times. At least up to the point the lock went missing. Obviously the lack of a lock hasn't stopped anyone from enjoying the cache. If I had to guess I'd say the cache owner is gone and the cache will slowly deteriorate. Too bad the last two finders didn't post a needs maintenance log as well. There's no doubt about it in my mind, he's long gone. I would be willing to adopt this one if the owner were willing and active. That's not going to happen either. This one will be destined to be a propped up ownerless cache that is no longer a proper multi and safe TB hotel. A rusting ammo can chained to a mesquite tree with the occasional scrap of paper thrown inside for a log and where TB's routinely get muggeled.

I did a throughout reading of owner intervention on his caches. Noting when he was active and maintaining them when problems arised. I've read this excuse for absentee cache owners numerous times before, fact of the matter is his cache is listed in geocaching.com. If he were active and concerned about his caches condition then he would communicate that on geocaching.com where his cache is listed.

Caches should be kept "alive" by responsible cache owners. It's called pride of ownership. My cahes are my responsibility alone. If the day comes I can't maintain them, I will achieve them, retrieve the container and let somebody else put one there if they so desire.

I was once a new inexperienced cacher also. But I could read. That little tag attached to the item told me what it was and what I should do. When TB's go missing almost immediately from non premium caches, when will we start calling it for what it really is, theft.

Perhaps you're right. I did email the reviewer the day I discovered it was muggled and told him my concerns. I've yet to receive a reply. Not that he/she is obliged to do so.

I guess this is the thread to post this: GC1KP8X. What's everyone's opinion on this one? My opinion is in the log.

Thanks for the tips. Not going to be a problem for us as our Airstream will be in the 20 foot range, single axle Bambi. Boondock base camp, and our tow vehicle is now cachemobile.

Sounds like heaven to be quite frank.

I hope to join your ranks soon. I thought I would be there sooner but just had a 99 Bambi Airstream rug pulled out from underneath me. Bummer. So.... I keep on looking for that perfect little rolling silver Twinkie for the wife and I.

I do the same. I read the logs history before placing. It's the best I can do. It's all we can do as temporary caretakers.