A Team Vallejo

Ok They didn't publish the cache they made it hard (a hassel) ok I don't need a hard time about a cache I even changed the name and he still said he couldn't approve it that is a hasselThe other cache making me wait 5weeks thats not a hassel? it's suposed to be fun and somtimes the reviewers can make it not fun waiting 5weeks was not fun and having to think about waiting 5weeks again not fun now do you get it. I archived it. So, a reviewer explains that they have no choice but to refer commercial caches to Groundspeak, and you still think they are trying to hassle you? Sounds like you're just whining because they didn't try to break the rules for you. Sounds like you are the hassle. Hassle Hassle Hassle It's "le" not "el"!! The rules you are complaining about are there for a good reason. If it weren't for rules, I'd have to worry (more) about some nutcase coming to kill me because they didn't like this post. If it weren't for rules, there would be people driving down the "wrong" side of the road, except it wouldn't be wrong... but they'd still be dead when they had a head-on. Rules are important, especially the ones that protect others, even if it is only protecting me from having to read your commercial cache. What is a Helmut? Is that a manservant from Germany? Dude it wasn't a commercial cache that was the one I had to wait on for 5wks The Macdonald's one I called it Old McDonalds farm I said it used to be a Mcdonalds restaurant now tell me how someone could get hurt by this. The whole thing about advertising is just like you having to where a helmut in your car. Now instead of the reviewer telling me what was wrong with the cache and how I could fix it -he automatically sent it to Groundspeak This is a game Sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me

I didn't write the rules it's not about the reviewer. it's about the rules didn't you see my other post. you make enough rules and you won't have anything to review get a Helmut. cause you will need one in your car you see where this is going then you will need one in your house. it's all about control I think. Control=No Freedom.... maybe thats it. Did you hear about the elephant hunter? He got a hernia from carrying the Decoy Ok it's safe to laugh now

Your reviewer was just doing their job. We're under very clear instructions to refer all commercial caches to Groundspeak. We do not have the authority to determine what commercial content is permissible. You should have received a polite note quoting the guideline -- which says that permission is needed from Groundspeak -- and directing you to contact them. For you to transform your own ignorance of the rules into "the reviewers are hassling me" is quite a leap. We have no choice except to refer you to Groundspeak. There is no evil intent involved. If you wish to avoid long delays, hide caches that meet the listing guidelines. Ok They didn't publish the cache they made it hard (a hassel) ok I don't need a hard time about a cache I even changed the name and he still said he couldn't approve it that is a hassel The other cache making me wait 5weeks thats not a hassel? it's suposed to be fun and somtimes the reviewers can make it not fun waiting 5weeks was not fun and having to think about waiting 5weeks again not fun now do you get it. I archived it. can we move on ? it's not a big deal

I see it dosen't take much to get some of you excited does it? I wasn't looking for comments on what I said. just telling a story. Heeee you guy's are funny!java script:emoticon('', 'smid_13')

What you are failing to understand is that it is the reviewers (following the guidelines set by Groundspeak) who determine what caches get published. Nothing, absolutely nothing that is said in these forums has any influence on that process. "We" (meaning posters in the forums) don't get to decide about caches being published. The only other authority is Groundspeak itself. And while I don't subscribe to the theory that if you are new to a site that you don't have anything of value to add, it's arrogant to think that after being on the site for less than a month that you can think that you understand better than others who have been around for a while. You might want to take a step back, slow down, read the site for a while to find out how it works, and then form an opinion. This is not true. There is an appeals process to challenge reviewer decisions and it is spelled out in the guidelines themselves. I've bolded the relevant section just in case that you missed it. I archived it not the reviewer as I said I don't need to wait around to see if they are going to allow the cache to be published There is lots of places to hide caches. There is lots of places to hide caches There is lots of places to hide caches The End

Yes 2 times they have done this What they do is the reviewers don't want to deal with it(the responsibility) so they send it to the admin. Then they have to decide what should happen to the cache. It was not back and forth dialogs. yes I waited 5 weeks for them to make a decision or hear from them. Thats how long it took for them to decide if they would publish the cache. Then I went to publish another one and they did it to me again. I told them forget it and just archived it. If you make something to difficult it's not worth it. Do you understand? I don't need to sit around and wait a month and wonder what there decision is going to be. There is other places to put caches. The same thing goes with the boy scouts or any organizations- paperwork- red tape and adults. The boyscouts have so much paperwork and rules it's stupid. Rules rules rules- Just like the fall of the roman empire. I don't see being hasseled by reviewers as fun and challenging.

Heres my rant, I used to have problems with the reviewers when I first started hiding caches. I kept forgetting to check the cords. before I published the cache. It's was quite frustrating. I always check first now and I check the GPS for nearby caches. The multi's are a pain sometimes. I tried to hide one and I knew where all the pieces to the multi were but the cacher who hide the cache gave bogus coords to be published. sometimes you can get the cachers close to move there caches. My problem with them now is with using names like Macdonald's if the reviewer put a hold on it so they can check with the admin. about it they will not let it get published for days weeks or even 5 weeks They said I was advertising. and the Macdonald's wasn't a Macdonald's anymore. I guess you just have to deal with them. I see geocaching.com loosing cachers to navicache or terracaching. if they keep adding rules and if enough people get fed up enough. Happy Caching!

Wow even better price. How come you don't want it?

This is what I use for caching with a Itrek M5 bluetooth gps works great. Looks like a good price too.

I don't get on the forums much but I have to do this. I am not from San Diego and I am not whining but I am going to post the whining from some people who are. Have you ever went out looking for an FTF and found that someone had beat you to it? Well here are some comments of some real whiners who got to it to late you may know some of them: Jellis here was expecting and didn't think the cache was worth it: September 10 by jellis50 (3502 found) Out caching with TeamAlamo, Donvsop and Fisherwoman in the Berryessa, Knockville and Clearlake. We were expecting to be FTF because no one had logged it in. But someone had almost 12 hrs earlier and didn't post it. If we had known we would have skipped it for another day. TYFTH [view this log on a separate page] September 10 by donvsop (3495 found) TeamAlamo, Fisherwoman, Jellis50 and I spent the day in and around the Clearlake area. There were a lot of recently placed caches in the area and we concentrated on those. Along the way, I also did a few of the older ones that some of the others had done before. TNLNSL TFTC [view this log on a separate page] The cache was out of there way: September 10 by DavidT21 & Fisherwoman (12243 found) We had trouble deciding to go for this or not. After some thinking about a possible FTF, we decided to go out of our way a bit for this one, only to find someone had beat us to it last night and hadn't logged it yet. Traded TB's [view this log on a separate page] Watch out for the cache Police: September 10 by TeamAlamo (23992 found) It is appropriate for the FTF to be timely in logging. Thank u for the cache. September 9 by A Team Vallejo (841 found) Woohoo FTF! I would be more timely in logging my caches if All I had to do in life was cache. Get a life. Anyway found it after my gpsr settled. Seen a gray fox, A deer with 5pts and heard the coyotes of in the distance. Left my last green Jeep tb, and the christmas coin to get started. Took the first aid kit and snowake biner. Nice night out for caching! Nice hide Hav42! TFTC Happy Caching!