Proud Soccer Mom
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First I must admit....I have sent emails to DNF's without the cacher asking.
********Don't Look Spoiler Ahead ********
I will stop.
I did not fully realize the impact of the well intended gesture.And now you're going to get complaints...
"muniman used to send us hints when we DNFd and he just stopped all of a sudden. I guess he doesn't care if we find his caches!"
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I actually agree with wavector here.
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Well, it has happened again.
It keeps happening, in fact.
I recently spent the better part of an hour searching for a cache that, according to the description and logs, is a very well-hidden, very clever and very entertaining hide.
After two visits in one day I remained stumped. I plan to return someday soon and resume the search.
Based on past experience I was worried that logging a DNF might generate an unwanted hint, but I am also fully aware of all the reasons why logging a DNF is a good thing, so .... I posted my DNF with the explanation that I would be back to search again – along with a polite-yet-clear request that no one provide any hints or spoilers.
The owner responded almost immediately with an email containing a very helpful-sounding – and very UNwanted – hint.
Some of the clever-sounding caches I fail to locate make me really really look forward to enjoying the satisfaction of eventually finding them without any help. Those hides compel me to return again and again in anticipation of that rewarding mental gratification. It’s one of my favorite elements of the game.
Why, then, does it always seem to be those caches that get spoiled via unrequested help when I post a DNF?
I’ve just about decided to stop logging any DNFs, period.
You're not alone, KBI. I actually get these. One time I was just caught in the rain and decided to note that we didn't stay because of the rain. There was nothing in my DNF to say that we couldn't find the cache because it was hidden beyond our searching capabilities and needed a hint. And their hint didn't have anything to do with controlling the weather (which is what would have been really helpful and applicable to my DNF). The CO was just being helpful, like they always are, and I considered it an extension of friendship and community. For this person to send me a hint after a DNF is their way of saying, "I want you to find my cache and enjoy what I've done." The intention means more to me than the hint.
If you see a message from the CO after DNFing, don't read it. They'll think they did an awesome job of helping a fellow cacher and you will have preserved your fun, because, if you haven't figured it out yet, you aren't going to get people to change.
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I saw a Florida plate that had TNLNSL on it. I have no idea whose it is though.
In FL: TNLNSL, CACHE, FTF, CACHER, CACHING, TFTC, and DNF are all taken.
You can consult the DHSMV PLP Inquiry page to find a personalisation in FL that's available.
Edit to Add: TB and TBUG are also not available.
Edit 2: CITO is also taken.
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Yeah, I get that. So email the owner or the reviewer. Add an SBA to the cache page if it offends your sensibilities. Heck email Jeremy if it floats your boat, but I don't think it has to be dragged into the forums. Just my humble opinion. That and $1.81 will get you a cup of coffee at Panera Bread.
Edit to add:Add an SBA to the cache page if it offends your sensibilities
You know I've never been to Panera Bread. Are they any good? What kind of food do they serve, anyway?
I agree that emailing the reviewer would be the first thing to do since it's a question about whether the cache is compliant or not. The reviewer can take it from there so a SBA isn't even necessary.
But I'm not able to look at the cache, which means that it's been pulled so the CO can fix the problem.
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HaZzMaTt's note on the cache page teared me up.
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What is that? International Cache Police?
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I'm missing the geocaching relevance...
Do you know what a flashmob event is? Think of this commercial but instead of dancing everybody signed a logbook at the same time and disolved back into the crowd. get it now?
OMG Yeah, I get it. I know what a flash mob is.
Unless there was another flash mob in this video where a bunch of people were signing a logbook and I missed it because of all the dancing, this thread belongs in Off-Topic.
Otherwise, let's share recipes because, hey, geocachers have to eat... so it's relevant, too!
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I'm missing the geocaching relevance...
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Do you enjoy hunting for a cache that could take 3 or 4 visits to find.
No, I don't. I like a good walk in the woods and finding a regular.
Heck no! Give me that ammo box under a pile of sticks after a 1/2 mile 2-3 star terrain hike. Woohoo!
Dang straight!
...but I can't tell if you're making fun of me.
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Oh dang! This reminds me to check on my letterbox!!!
Oh... the post... uhm, well, I think that you need to have a more indepth discussion with your reviewer about both cases. You aren't giving us very much information which leads me to believe that (1) the reviewer doesn't have all s/he needs to know; or (2) you're trying to paint the situation in your favour. Either way, make nice with the reviewer.
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- families with children
- young cachers caching on their own, without adults over age 30 present
- cachers who lack self-discipline and/or self-control
- cachers who lack patience
- cachers who lack focus
- cachers with poor attention span or with severe ADHD
- cachers who are very stupid
Hope this helps!
Are there any cachers left after that list?!?!
- families with children
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I must've really lucked out. When I had to replace a cache completely (container and all) thanks to an animal wanting a snack, I forgot the swag so it went back with a logbook and pencil only. Cachers began filling the cache with unique swag items.
So, yeah, there's a problem with junk swag. But there are also some great cachers out there who do want people to smile when they see some cool swag and they definitely deserve kudos for that.
I think you could make a cache theme out of it (such as a "DIY Swag") that asks cachers to trade or leave a homemade item, a personalised item, or an otherwise unique item. You could start it off with a homemade item for FTF prize (or purchase something personalised with "FTF" on it).
I just FTF'd on a cache on Monday and the prize was a homemade item. The whole cache was meaningful to start with (and I love those) and to have a homemade FTF prize was just the coolest thing. My daughter is really the only one who's interested in trading swag so I only trade if she's with me. But this FTF was beyond awesome and we're taking special care of it.
You might just have to change your perspective on what constitutes valuable swag.
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Has caching turned into a Park & Grab hobby? Have many given up on the thrill of the hunt? I'm just curious how you all feel about the more difficult hides and if it is worth putting them out.
I think there's a need for instant gratification and a certain percentage of the Geocaching population plays the game for that score. They like to see their numbers go up and don't care if it's in the guardrail behind the Pick & Save or under a lampskirt at WallyWorld. We did those p&gs and I burned out on them. The final straw for me was when I started a photography project that involved caching and questioned what I was taking pictures of... dead end guard rails? parking lots?! playgrounds?!?!
You can head off the grabby mcgrabs by hiding a series that's named "Not a P&G" and keep the difficulty up. Warn cachers that it's HIPS (hidden in plain sight) or camo'd within an inch of its life.
I think there's enough cachers out there who like their statistics but also find a deeper level of enjoyment in the game. They appreciate puzzles and higher difficulties.
Do you enjoy hunting for a cache that could take 3 or 4 visits to find.
No, I don't. I like a good walk in the woods and finding a regular.
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I have a simple GPS where I prefer to put in coords by hand. Then I choose the name. I have a simple notebook where I write down important information from the cache page and how I named it in my GPS.
I'll never have 200 in a day, nor will I ever write "#185 out of 302 today! TNLNSLTFTC" on a cache page. My opinion will always be discounted by people who think my find number is low by inexperience only.
I'll also never have this problem.
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Nothing stops you from deleting your DNF. There's no rule.
But there's no rational reason why it cannot stand as part of the cache's record.
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We have one and we've met some nice cachers that way. But if someone doesn't come to the front door or hollar from the backyard, we'll never know they were there. So the social aspect is entirely at their discretion. Very rarely have I actually noticed someone out there and I feel happy that someone's finding it, but I go about my business. If they want to meet us, they'll knock on the door or shout.
The only thing restriction I have is No Night Caching. I think that's pretty reasonable.
Backyard Caches are safe places to dock a TB or a coin and if you think your traveller is sitting too long, you can let the CO know and they can very easily move it when they go caching.
I know of two other backyard caches (one near and one far) and we'll do both at some point.
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Mine is within a couple miles of the house. I'm burnt out on LPCs so this particular one will sit until the husband decides to go do it on his own.
The cool thing is we have a preserve that's FULL of different kinds of hides that's just a smidge farther. I've been saving it for its own day. If I go in the morning when the birds are active and get some good photos, I can also waymark the preserve in Birdwatching Locations and in the Great Florida Birding Trail.
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I can tell you exactly what I like.
I like caches that are smalls or regulars.
I like them hidden in places that require over .10 mile walk but not more than 1 mile to get to the location (I'm fine with walking another .10+ to another cache at that point and so on... but I want some kind of cache gratification before I hit a mile).
I like them to be away from people.
If I have to cross water, I'd like there to be a bridge... somewhere.
I like to know my car is reasonably safe... which means a designated parking area or enough room off the shoulder of the road.
Basically, my preferences provide activity that I enjoy with incentives to push on at reasonable intervals. I have plenty of time to spend with the family member or friend I'm caching with. We're going deep enough into wilderness to enjoy wildlife and get good photographs. The cache has a chance of having interesting swag to look at and maybe coins and TBs to move along. I don't have worry about getting wet, being seen by muggles or something happening to my car... so I can just focus on caching.
Mind you, I'll have fun if the cache isn't like this. But this is my happiest.
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Wow, not one, but TWO internet-tough-guys..
Folks, I never asked for a penny, nor had the idea EVER crossed my mind. If either of you think this was posted in an attempt to get some 'fat consulting contract' with Groundspeak, you can both take off your tin-foil hats. I was asking if I could help out of the goodness of my heart and as a fan of the game.... instead, Keystone decided to insult me.
I don't need to play (potty mouth language removed) contest with 2 anonymous-internet-warriors who judge other people's knowledge based on post count. Nor do I need to waste my time posting a resume when I was just asking if I could be of assistance with a problem that is affecting me (and others). Regardless of the number of visitors to the forums, if you offer a feature on your site, it should _work_ ... Whether 10 users or 10,000.
Maybe this is why so many folks refuse to help others in this world... I really am truly sorry I even asked.
First of all, nobody insulted you. Next, you've used provocative language (eg. "rhetoric", "petty", etc) and implied that your initiative to help wasn't greeted courteously when it was. I think your sharpness justifies any sarcasm that you received from volunteers who had been friendly and patient with you. Finally, you assumed based on another player's opinion that Groundspeak does not consider the forums as an important feature. At this point in time, you do not have any information about Groundspeak's priorities regarding the Geocaching website, including the forum, and it's important not to jump to conclusions based on what players (who also have no idea) say.
And before you decide to call me an "internet tough guy" for politely disagreeing with you, please mind that I'm a woman.
Please enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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I use a bic, a papermate, a foray or any other cheapo ballpoint pen that I happen to stick in my pocket (for byop) or find with the logbook. One of the things that I like about Geocaching is that I don't need to sink a whole bunch of money into it for things I don't need.
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Even the forums are a form of geocaching. Ask a question and then hunt to find the real answer.
Too bad you can't run a query to filter out all of the lame answers.
I've been guilty of many LFAs (Lame Forum Answers).
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In the last few minutes, a certain reviewer looked at all 8 of your MO caches, including 1 that hasn't been published yet. I'll bet you don't see anything in the audit logs.
Now you're just showing off!
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Even the forums are a form of geocaching. Ask a question and then hunt to find the real answer.
I did not fully realize the impact of the well intended gesture.
Official Thread for Discussing the Minor Oh So Blue (GC15D) Controversy
in General geocaching topics
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Caches don't get archived simply because they get muggled!!! They get temporarily disabled. Since nobody has been actively looking for the cache then it doesn't even need that. It might just needs replacing by the owner or by another cacher... which is often done with every other cache in existence.
Do we really expect this guy who doesn't care about geocaching to stay on top of a box he was given eight years ago? I mean, I hardly remember what I was doing two days ago, let along eight years ago! So, cache maintenance might be in order... and that's a might. He might still have it... propping up a table leg or something. Nobody knows until somebody DNFs the thing!
I do think there's a conspiracy to archive famous caches on the party pooper principle, but I don't think Viajero is part of it.