Idaho_Clovisman

Ok i am the bad guy yet cache heads you post nothing but flame bait instead of addressing the points i ask about ..why are my questions so amusing ,Oh you live in SOcal..ok you have alot of Forest service and BLM ground there do you have land managers?and snoogans does the armpit have them??sioneva do you have them in OH sorry you did not post where you live ok do they have them there..? Hmmmmm all primium members and they have nothing to tell the new guy...interesting...in all seriousness i have yet to see but a handfull post in this thread something with substance besides complaining about my complaint...come on and i am the bad guy ?/right.

Geocaching appeals to a broad group, Christians, Atheists, Heterosexuals, Homosexuals, Conservatives, Liberals. I leave politics, and religion out when I go caching. I do it for the fun, and play the game, in the manner that makes me happy. I also abide by the rules, whether I agree with them or not. I too would have loved to place a survival type cache, with items useful to the outdoorsman, but a good portion of these items are "off limits," so I skipped the idea. Geocaching is actually a shunned activity by the extreme environmentalist, because they view the increased traffic in "wild areas" as detrimental. They don't want people tromping through the forest in search of "treasure." Make the best out of this activity, work within the rules, and have a great day. Like a good friend of mine used to say (he passed away from cancer) a true environmentalist would comit suicide because the very gas he passes from eating polutes the planet...i just can not believe that people reading this thread just do not get it...the knife in question was not placed in a survival cache,it was placed in a traditional cache as a reward to the person who was FTF,since it was in a good hunting area it would have been a nice addition to someones collection... Some one please explain to me what the heck a land manager is....we the people are the land managers we all equally own the Forest Servive, BLM,and all public lands..i am seriously not familiar with the term land manager....if we are talking about someone who manages private land then it is even more absurd that there are not rules in plave that apply to different parts of this country,certainly anyone can see that what applies in Texas ,or north Carolina ,or New york does not apply in Idaho Montana utah,etc... Sbell111 says Quote<> I don't get how you arrived at the conclusion that the rule was made by 'non hunters and flower lovers ,and tree huggers'. It was a practical decision based on the desires of land managers. Since knives have nothing to do with the actual game of geocaching, what's the big deal if they are not traded in caches? <><> a knife has about as muchto do with the game as a broken toy car or a used sticker or gumby doll that is NOTHING! it is simply a thing left in a cache like any other. and this practical decision you speak of what land managers in the west voted for a set of rules like this ?? please name them or were all the rules made by people who do not live in the west?

Of course you aren't going to find Idaho inmates up in the wilderness, accidentally finding your cache. The rule applies to all areas. A big portion of geocaching guidelines were created to appease and assure the land managers of the East and North East areas. The issues aren't the same for the wide open west where you and I live. That being said, the rules are the same, regardless where the cache was left. Be thankful that you don't live in a state where a permit is required to hide a cache on managed land. I'm a hunter, fisherman, and avid outdoorsman, and comments like that do nothing to further our cause. I might not agree with every policy regarding cache placement, but I follow them nonetheless. I agree with you, that sort of statement does not further our cause but really i am just stating the truth,how else does one call it .As you so well pointed out we here in the west are goverened by rules that have absolutly nothing to do with where we live, now just how is that not the attitude of people with lets say a softer outlook on life? i am sorry the more i find out about geo caching the more it looks like a front for anti hunting and conservetive attitudes. So that i am sure i am understanding this right ,because the north east has less public lands we here in the west our goverened by the rules that they have to live by? how in the world is that fair? Texas has less than 3 % public lands where are caches put in texas? i give up you can have it ...

It was put in place to protect the game. It was a long time ago and I'm fuzzy on the details, but as I recall, there was a park system (I think it was in Georgia) that used inmates to do maintenance. There was a concern that na inmate would happen upon a cache and find a knife. The inmate could then use the knife for badness. This resulted in the parks deciding that geocaching was not appropriate. By forbidding knives, we (hopefully) got to keep playing our game in their parks. Wouldn't that inmate be using a shovel or rake anyway? Those are pretty dangerous weapons. But have you ever tried shoving a shovel "up there" to sneak it into prison? Me neither, but I imagine it's not as comfortable as a folded pocketknife would be. Regardless, weapons are a bad idea, and there's really no reason to have them in caches. Are people really that hard up for a $5 pocketknife that they feel they must be able to get them out of caches? That is some of the biggest load of Crap i have ever heard and does not in any way shape of form apply to Idaho's wilderness areas in fact it is just plain stupid..to use that line of reasoning then if someone hunted in the same parks or forest and then they could leave a gun or dynamite for a prisoner to find and then he could really wreck Havoc...plain stupid IMO and i did not put a 5.00 knifei n my cache the one i took out of the cache is valued at over 100.00 dollars...this drivel is just more of the attitude of non hunters and flower lovers ,and tree huggers,(no offence meant to you personely) it is like a virus..People who have no clue about something then fear it and in doing so ruin it for everyone...

I do not disagree with your post at all but what geocaching is to you and what it is to me are two different things i agree i love the hunt but to be truthfull at 98% of the caches i can find them without a GPS just read the discription and follow the trail to the cache anyone with any woods skills will notice one sticking out like a sore thumb..but that is just me that does not mean everyone should try to do it that way... also i loath Micros,again just me. So i hike where few people go and i put caches where few people will find them,but when they do i like to say job well done and reward their effort with something nice.In this paticular cache since it is in a very well know hunting area i wanted to put the collector beltbuckle knife in..ok i took it out to follow the rules,it does not mean i agree with the rule or that i will just say to heck with it and not do my best to have it changed or in someway accomodate adult item caches. you want to get good? leave the GPS at home and go hunting for them...i agree it is not about the loot it is about the effort put forth (for me) and i like to reward people for a good effort not insult them with a kids toy... Snoogansdude...maybe you just give up to easy...anything worth having is worth working for ...they may not be the goverment ,but they are setting the playing field and if they are indeed a business set up to make money off us then they better listen to their customers...seriously how hard would it be parents are the ones who take their kids geocaching so how hard would it be to have a checkbox one for adult items and one for family really how hard is that?

Ok going to answer a few of these, but first the beltbuckle knife has been removed from the cache,so i did follow the rules in place but that does not mean they are good rules ,i do not enjoy anything in life that treats me like a child sorry been there done that...and too many of you are out of context about this thread it is NOT about what is traded into the cache but what you are allowed to put in the cache,in the first place,and the fact that their are no rules for adult caches where we can put nice things for other adults to find Geocaching is NOT all about Kids. But Kids are a huge part of it and there should be rules to protect them i am all for that but you can not have one set of rules to govern people from 3 to 90..sorry somejust do not apply. Quote Cache Heads<> If there must be weapons in your caches, then I agree-- Geocaching.com is not the right place for you. Finding an alternative listing site that suits you is a much better idea than fighting to change a site that doesn't. End Quote<> I am very sorry but it isbecause of attitudes like yours that we have stupid rules to protect people from themselves,i assume you just had to use the word WEAPON, which a 2 inch belt buckle knife in not ..it is infact a collectors item ...rolls eyes... Quote sBell 111<> You know, that guideline was not put in just to protect the children of geocachers.end Quote<> would you care to elaborate on who else it was put into place to protect? Quote InMountains <> I have to admit that the quality of things in a cache seemed to have dropped over the years. Some caches, it borders on "used toilet paper" and "used toothpicks". If you are setting a cache, at least put some effort into it, and not just used gum wrappers, vending machine plastic toys and a rock from the ground. Log only caches are fine, and I am not out to gain assets when I cache. But if I am going to leave a 10.00 pocket knife, it would be nice to have a 10.00 item to take. Granted, many cachers take a 10.00 item and leave a 10 cent item, and that is a VALID RANT. Those are the type of people that do not belong in our sport. But overall, it would be nice to see some nicer items for those that want to trade "like for like".End Quote<> I 100% agree with you thanks for the post.. Quote KKTH3 <> I disagree with the statement that a cache 12 miles up in the mountains should be off limits to kids.End Quote<> Please reread the post i NEVER Said it should be off limits to kids ,i said that for a kid to get to this cache he would need adult assistance and if their was a adult present then he would be responsible for his childs actions..i assure you it would take a kid over 1 and 1/2 days to hike to this cache..i am all for kids caching. Quote Biosearch<> A couple of things. Believe it or not I have a daughter that occasinoally goes caching with me. She is my older daughter, the younger one goes with me all the time. Anyway, my older daughter is in that teenage angst stage and has a very strange attitude about things (go figure). We hit one cache down in TN and found a beat to hell barbie doll head. She said cool, took it and still has the thing. Why, I have no idea, but there you have it. As so many have said, one persons trash is anothers weird demented treasure. As for caches that children should not go to, I feel if a child can make it up to a cache at 100,000 ft asl, more power to them. If an adult cacher can carry a child up to the same cache, more power to them. My younger daughter and I generally cycle to caches. She is in fifth grade and will do ten/twelve miles a day sometimes. We enjoy it. It is our thing. I won't tell her that she can't go on any caches. Weapons, wether one should place weapons, knives, etc. in a cache, even if it is stated that it is an adult cache, etc. there is no time when this is suitable. Think of it from this angle. Lets say that someone runs across your cache, someone who does not cache. Every cache has a notice in the cache just in case that happens. What would happen if this were a child or a teenager and something unacceptable happened with that item. At the very least what kind of bad publicity would that event bring to caching? What would that do for the sport? Can you picture caching becoming illegal in an attempt to control this? (Granted this is a stretch, but stranger things have happened.) I believe that any cache should be set up in such a way as to make people comfortable with it even if their 3 year old stumbled across it and opened it up by themselves, regardless of where it is located. Just my opinion and my two cents worth.End Quote<> Read the whole thread you are way off base and you are misrepresenting what i have said and you too are using the word WEAPONS for effect. LISTEN NO child would ever stumble on this cache in the manner you spoke of ..please read this entire thread before posting on it thank you...

That is the route i followed i even listed the beltbuckle knife,in the listing as i wanted to be honest about it .and they disabled my cache becaue of the belt buckle knife i had placed in their for the first finder...so i guess i will go pull it and move it a bit and then register with terracachers as they have no such rules...i do not want any kid getting hurt either but i also know that their will be no kids at this cache (without adult help) so be it . the rules seem a bit geared toward the in experienced person,with no leeway for the ones with common sence...to bad

September 15 by xxxxx (139 found) Wow, nice trail! I didn't have much of a story to add about detassling though. Because I never did that job when I was a kid. I guess I lucked out! Anyway, I was drawn here for SM IC's coin they dropped! I liked the icon! Left some random goodies along with the already random goodies. Cache is very well stocked! TFTC!! LOL

Okay, so this is a rant about cache content guidelines? Because your headline reads: Soooo, maybe you should have addressed gc.com in your OP instead of directing your rant a cachers. Like i said cachers need to take responsibility,be that for whatever, their kids their picking up garbage ,not leaving any sign of being there whatever if they did, we would not need a guideline that says we are incompetent to handle anything other than harmless toys and junk, Please do not read into this what is not there,i understand that 90% of the geocachers are urbanites with kids just looking for something fun to do and i support that better than watching tv or playing video games..but that does not mean that the other 10% are irrisponsible and trying to hurt anyone ...after all who has fun being told what and how to do everything..and if someone wanted to have a sexyoy cache and it was labeld clearly as such then that is his right,it would not be for me but i am not going to tell him he can't.

If I was smart I could re-sell the listings to gc.com and make a profit. You know, like a steak dinner. But heck, I'd settle for some McDonald coupons. At least I'd get some cool trade items. (Just don’t let Idaho_Clovisman know I have'em.) Better yet just keep em in your own cache .. Snoogans you know what happens when you do nothing ?? Nothing...

Because all things as they are, this is how it is. You can have caches for adults and caches for children, but you can't demand swag worth finding. If you find a cache in a remote part of the earth are going to like the trade items? Chances are you won't. Members Only Caches? No, not much of a chance there either. Don't set yourself up for disappointment. It's not about trading, it's about caching. You want to be happy about swag? Play Santa, that's what I do. Somehow people are getting things bass akwards i am not asking anyone to put good stuff in any cache,i am asking why i can NOT put good stuff in MY OWN cache.in the rocky mountains ,not downtown leave it to cleaverville...I am NOT demanding anything! I do not care about what i find in someone elses cache (nice stuff would be a heap site better than the junk in 98%) but that is NOT what this thread is about. The thread is about why can I not label MY cache as adult oriented and put something nice in it ....why do childrens rules have to apply to a cache that is not on a path and is over 12 miles from any town.. PS The best thing to find in a remote, hard-to-get-to cache is a dry log book. you get to mine it will be dry...

The answer is - there can be. As long as you don't place any of the troublesome items (knives, lighters, etc). You can put whatever you like in your cache and beg plead and cry for traders to be fair and equal. Unless you are prepared to stand watch over your cache - It may or may not happen. I always stock my caches nicely - some with as much as $100 worth of stuff. Some of stayed quite good some flucuate between bad and good swag - most degrade over time. All I can really do in the end is make sure I am trading fairly and go out and re-stock mine occasionally. Thats it. I don't geocache to look for anything of value and I have no expectation of finding anything of value. A nice peice of swag is just icing on the cake. My 4 year old values a new matchbox car as much as gold. That makes me smile. That is all I really need from Geocaching. I am glad you enjoy Geocaching with your son ,doing things together is always great..and that was a very good post.i have a question for you .. should all caches follow the same guidelines? As a responsible parent i am sure you would not try to take your child to any cache that you did not feel was within his demenor to do...well i feel there are alot of caches out there that children have no business being at, or that their parents should not attempt to take them too...the same way as i will not be trying any underwater caches that require scooba gear sorry i am not qualified...there are plenty of caches just for kids in fact i would do some just for kids because my grandkids would get a kick out of them ..so why not seperate them with a simple check box....then there is no need to say what i or you can put in a cache,and if what is put in is abused then report the offender . No it seems to me it is more of the same old thing we have today TV's and video games are baby sitters no one wants to be responsible for anything they just go along to get along....that is sad.

You forgot to put IMO at the end of your post IMO=In My opinion.because that is all it is your opinion i say man have yours, but allow me to have mine.I respect what you are saying and also understand it but what you think and what i think are two different things,what you take as a rememberence is your business,and what you consider trade items are just that what YOU think... You assume to know what i think and what i feel by your statement "If someone in the sport for the value of the items found, I'd suggest trading in the GPS for a metal detector." how arrogant is that? I am not in this sport or game or whatever you want to call it for anything of value..BUT i do like to reward people for a good effort and if you come to my home you will get a good meal not a bag of "top ramen noodles" Speak to the points of the post please,if you want Mctoys and broken junk to represent your caching experience hey good for you but i am looking for a bit more than that. the whole point of where i place my caches is to enjoy the place the quiet and the solitude but it takes certain type of people to go to my caches and i would never expect them to become popular. so far i have seen some great ideas come from this thread i like the idea of travel bugs only in the cache and i also like the idea of themed caches i see them all the time....If i see someone's cache is dog themed i am not going to go put a doll with one leg in it that would be rude.... Are you saying that you ONLY want people who agree with you to respond? Ummmm, cuz your OP didn't say that. It said: I happen to agree with Prime Suspect in this case. Not at all no one has to agree with me ,but in the same vein i do not have to agree with them..and in that vein no one needs to tell me what my values are and i do not need to tell others what theirs are...so what side of the fence are you sitting? So are you saying you agree with him i should trade in my GPS for a metal detector because i want to find stuff worth giving? and more importatly i want to leave stuff worth having . With the exception of 4 or 5 posters in this thread there sure are alot of folks kinda laying it on thick and that i am wrong or a total noob....well fine i can take that but it does not address the question .."Why can there not be caches for all sorts of folks and children..why?

You forgot to put IMO at the end of your post IMO=In My opinion.because that is all it is your opinion i say man have yours, but allow me to have mine.I respect what you are saying and also understand it but what you think and what i think are two different things,what you take as a rememberence is your business,and what you consider trade items are just that what YOU think... You assume to know what i think and what i feel by your statement "If someone in the sport for the value of the items found, I'd suggest trading in the GPS for a metal detector." how arrogant is that? I am not in this sport or game or whatever you want to call it for anything of value..BUT i do like to reward people for a good effort and if you come to my home you will get a good meal not a bag of "top ramen noodles" Speak to the points of the post please,if you want Mctoys and broken junk to represent your caching experience hey good for you but i am looking for a bit more than that. the whole point of where i place my caches is to enjoy the place the quiet and the solitude but it takes certain type of people to go to my caches and i would never expect them to become popular. so far i have seen some great ideas come from this thread i like the idea of travel bugs only in the cache and i also like the idea of themed caches i see them all the time....If i see someone's cache is dog themed i am not going to go put a doll with one leg in it that would be rude....

I would some what agree with you I am not a big fan of going to a cache and finding a bunch of rusted junk. I don't think thought that the caches should be labled in a manner ADULTS/KIDS. The sollution I have been able to come up with is to put only things in a cache that could be used for travel bugs. When I post a cache I try and specify that the only things i would like to see traded in the cache are things to make Tb's. Not every pays attention to that rule but I do go out and try to maintain the cache and keep it clutter free. In this was you are making it so that the things traded are of a little higher quality. Since I have started this I feel the quality of things i find in my area have gone up and i have seen more TB's moving through the area. The other good thing that has help is some more experienced cacher have moved to the area or come out of the woodwork and the cache quality in the area has gone up as well as what is in the cache. Cheers! Great Idea and maybe i will just buy a bunch of travel bugs and attach them to some nicer things thanks for the idea..

I like to think that sometimes my commentary has an edge. I really don't mean to be rude. I find it very tiring when people complain. It seems like there is a large, vocal segment of people who like to gripe about how no one does anything for them and everyone else should take responsibility. I have little patience for people that whine about things and have nothing to offer to alleviate the situation that has their collective panties in a bunch. What's worse is that this is another of the topics that have been discussed into the ground in multiple posts. There are probably five general themes here that are chewed on ad nauseam. That's why I have an edge. Grow up people! Ok first off lets set some ground rules and not turn this into a flame contest or (something), ADK's attitude is a great example of "be part of the solution or part of the problem" and it is part of the problem all i read was complaining about someone else complaining HMMM who needs to grow up? Now back to the subject...whatever reason you geo cache is yours and you can not make other people do it like you want everyone must have their own reason and that is the beauty of it. I do not have any interest in walking around my neigborhood with a GPS and saying oh look what i found,on the other hand i do enjoy hiking in the wilderness or in the back country and using a GPS to find stuff,and i like to reward other people who are tough enough to find what i hide,now is there a problem with that?... Seems alot of people use geo caching as a excuse to say they are exercising ...lol well if your kids or yourself need a excuse to exercise then don't use Geo caching as it please... My point was to say that there is no reason that there can not be adult oriented caches and kids caches ,or cooking caches or whatever we are only limited by ourselves... the reason for this post was that i hid a new cache and in it for the first finder i had a collectors edition Belt buckle knife,the cache is clearly in a place where no kid will ever get (without parents) and i also clearly stated in the cache discription it was in there and for adults to watch kids IF they were there and my cache got disabled till it is removed and to me that is ridiculas...so in other words i did not just put it in there and hide it i clearly stated it was there i was honest about it and because there is a rule to protect kids it is disabled... Also i am not a child i am 56 years old and been in the woods as a guide and back country horseman for over 30 years i do not need a GPS it is just fun and life is supposed to be fun.. (edited by moderator)

Ok now before you go looking for a rope to hang me,i will explain.Geo caching is fun and the wife and i do it together,great huh? But we do not enjoy opening a cache and finding 2.00's worth of junk,not only that but used junk...Now i am not anti kids not by any means in fact the more the merrier but some caches should be for adults (no sexual content) but nice things in a cache.So why not have them labeled adult or Kids caches?And please do not tell me it would be a pain in the but itm could be done at the time of the cach publishing. When i hide a cache at over 6000 feet in the mountains of Idaho (my first cache has still not been found) i am NOT intending it for kids AND if there are kids going to it they will have to have adults with them to get them there...so they can take responsibility for their kids to not abuse anything in the cache and the adults can get a nice gift from the cache... your thoughts please.. thank you.

Thank you Brainsnat...

Ok i checked the fact and found the page that showed all the icons for cache types,HMMMMM Micro and traditional caches have the same one ....and they are pretty different ..so is there a way to filter out micros or is there a way i can not see, to tell a micro from a traditional cache>?> thank you

wow ok now that sounds better thank you so much...

Geek a sketch LMAO that is a good one..

OK so to sort out the cache names you have to have a list OR do it manually..HMMMMM cumbersome to say the least but i guess that is the way it is ..thanks

You are definetly covered aginst people,and even small critters but you better have your A game and be in the zone if you run into a Griz with cubs or on a killsite,or a bull moose in the rut,my money is on them but i will be rooting for you ..

Hi and thanks for reading this,OK i am using easy GPS and like i said i have a rhino 120 ( i need the radio) now when i download waypoints in a GPX file they are transferred to the GPS and they appear in the waypoints, in this format GXXXXX to find out which cache i am looking at i have to bring up that waypoint and scroll through where the co-ords are stored to see the cache name MY QUESTION...is there any way to have the name of the cache displayed without going through that each time till i find the cache i am looking for? thank you .

Ok i got it now thanks for all the responces i just have to change a few things..