Nomex
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I had something similar happen to one of my older units many years ago. Required a call to Tech Support, and they had me do a factory reset on the unit to clear the corrupt file.
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Hi GeoRRider, and Welcome!
I took the liberty of looking at your submission in the Review Queue, and will attempt to clarify the Reviewers concerns:
1. You chose a Traditional cache type, although you state that the cache is, "not located at the posted coordinates". By definition, a Traditional MUST be located at the coordinates at the top of the Listing page (aka posted coordinates). You will need to change your cache type to properly reflect the type of cache hunt that is involved. Your choices are either a Multi cache, or a Puzzle cache. It's not clear from reading your Description whether you placed a container at the starting coordinates or not. If you did, a Multi would be more appropriate. I didn't see any indication in your Description that the Final coordinates could be derived from some nearby object, or from the Description itself. If you provide further clarification, I might be able to give further guidance.
2. As Nirad mentioned, you must enter the coordinates for the Final cache location as an Additional Waypoint. For further instructions on how to go about that, please see the following Help Center article:
How do I create an Additional Waypoint
Hope that helps. Good luck with your submission.
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My understanding was that Groundspeak asks all cacher owners to submit a cache within 3 months or to post regular reviewer notes. In my understanding the fact whether the listing has been edited or not did not come into the play. I will never own an active draft listing that does not get edited within a year.
I think that this is all a matter of working with your local Reviewer. Groundspeak must place the bar somewhere, if you you think 3 months is too short, you're entitled to that opinion, but I dare say that present company excluded, if someone hasn't returned to a project in over 3 months, it's more than likely abandoned.
Case in point...
A couple of years ago I had an idea for a novel (at least I've never seen one like it) multi-cache which had very specific requirements in terms of locations.
This happened in my Reviewing area, in an extremely cache dense area. It took weeks to sort out the proximity issues with the numerous Stages/Final for this complex Multi. Months passed while the cache owner worked on the project, kind of on and off again. Listings would get submitted that would conflict with the various Stages (did I mention this was in a very cache dense area?), and I would patiently ask how the progress was going, and sadly reject Listings that were ready to go.
This went on for over a year, with seemingly very slow progress (I might add that the distance between Stages would probably have involved a couple hundred miles of driving back and forth). After 6 months of seemingly no activity/no response, I posted a Note stating that I would not be able to Hold the locations any longer. In the absence to any response to my most recent Note, I ended up Archiving the Listing to free up the areas that the Stages/Final blocked.
If you have something on the order of that sort of complexity, which ties up a significant amount of prime real estate, I'd suggest getting in touch with your local Reviewer to work out a plan and timeline for completion. I know I sure learned a lesson from this experience
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I do not object against this single incident automated mass archival and I'm convinced that many of the caches that got archived will never be needed again.
I believe this is a rare and one time process, and your concerns appear to be out of proportion to the reality.
The way I've been told to handle conflicts with Unpublished Listings, is to make an attempt to contact the cache owner to see if they are still intending on submitting it. From my experience, 99% of the time I get no response, and the Listing eventually gets Archived during my monthly clean up of Disabled Listings. If your local Reviewers are handling things in the same way, this should have zero impact on the way you do things currently.
Believe me when I say, this is good customer service. I can't tell you the number of annoyed cache owners I've dealt with because someone is squatting on a spot with an unused placeholder.
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I have often started development of a mystery cache with the 'header' coordinates being the true position of the cache...
This is also true of Challenge Listings as well, so the original assertion that the system should ignore the posted coordinates on Mystery/Puzzle types would not work so well in that situation.
Why not offer an option to "opt out from blocking something"?
This option is available at this time. It's called, "don't generate a Listing page on the site". If you don't have a need to "hold" a spot, then merely work on the Listing offline on your computer without creating a Listing page. If you must test formatting of the HTML or something, create a page to test it, then Archive it when you're done.
This has become almost a daily issue in my Reviewing area, so even though a few of the Listings on my Player account got caught up in the sweep, I was quite happy to see the clean up take place.
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Something like the E case, used for electronic gadgets, might work:
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I can see it now:
Why would you pay them $25 to $30 per hour plus benefits. I'm sure it could be outsourced to India for a fraction of that.For all of you who think this is something a Volunteer reviewer should correct, i'm sure they can and will do a lot of extra work if you want to pay them $25-$30 per hour plus benefits. I don't, i think they do a great job (and cheap too). I have no idea what a premium membership would cost but it wouldn't be cheap.
Hello,Your cache will be published in a short momentarily, but before doing this so I wanted to write and enrage you to reconsider again the encrypted hint section of your cache page. You hint didn't not seem like it would be of usefulness to someone recoding it in the field. Form the instructions for hidening a cache:
"Enter any hints or spoiler information below. This information will be encrypted on the site until a geocacher clicks on a link to unencrypt it, or decodes it on the trail. Text within brackets [like this] will not be encrypted. Please keep your hints short, so decoding it on the trail is easier. If you don't have a hint, leave it blank."
Thank you for consider this request. Thank you for doing the needful!!
प्रधानसिद्धांत
Geocaching.com Volunteer Cache Reviewer
Brilliant-thank you for that. I have just added it to my menu of boilerplate messages and will be sending you a 10 rupee royalty check for each and every time that I use it.
समीक्षक स्वयंसेवक
+1 Thanks for that
Probably my 3rd or 4th used template letter in my stockpile. Now if people will just read it 
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Do we actually know what the email that the reviewer said? I agree requiring you to have a child with you to log it, is an ALR, and not allowed, BUT there has to be more to it than that, otherwise they could just change the description. What I'm thinking is multiple people complained about adults "sneaking" around the park and some unlucky cacher got a visit by the police and emailed a reviewer about it. Or maybe the police know what this is and email Groundspeak directly...Either whatever the reason, I agree with Kris32, and Vater_Araignee. It's a public space, if you are too lazy to watch your children or teach them not to go with strangers then why do you take them out of the house? not counting the 1 or 2 year olds that don't know any better.
Whoa fella! Way too much conspiracy theories in this post. Said Reviewer sent a polite email asking the cache owner to remove the rather heavy handed sounding language that came across as an ALR. Said cache owner sent back a very polite reply almost immediately that they had decided to Archive the cache voluntarily due to their concerns about the cache and it's location, and the possibility of some unpleasantness that might arise if there were any confrontations with families in the park.
Sorry, but no police called in, no calls to Groundspeak. Just a responsible cache owner doing what they think is best for everyone.
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Nomex is a reviewer. Presumably reviewers can see all unpublished caches.
That is correct. I did a search under the Username for ALL Listings, which included the Stairway to Heaven Listing mentioned.
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I checked your Listing, and it is indeed Disabled and not visible in the Review Queue to be Published yet.
The Enable check box is almost half way down on the page, just below the box where you entered the coordinates for the Listing. You'll see some text beside the check box which reads:
Enable cache listing. It is ready for review. (If the listing is not yet ready to be reviewed, uncheck this box.) Note: Only 'Enabled' cache listings are visible to the reviewer.
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I don't think that's true.
You are correct. niraD's post has a link to the relevant Help Center page that says as much.
For all Update Coordinate log types, an audit log is generated, in which the Local Reviewers (in their copious "free time"), can recheck Listings to make sure they still comply with the Guidelines.
Beyond +/- 528 feet, you'll get an error message that directs you to contact the Publishing Reviewer for assistance.
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I did the hike on Jan 6th, I submitted Jan 7th or 8th, and received a response on Jan 12. That's 4 days for a email confirmation. Not very timely if you ask me.
Just to clarify one slightly misleading point. It appears that you submitted your Listing on the 7th (when the page was generated), but you did not Enable your Listing for Review until the 12th. Krypton posted a Note regarding the issue with the Wilderness Area on the same day. I know there's some confusion with that pesky Enable box on the Listings, and hopefully that will get cleared up with the next Update or two.
It's pretty unusual for a Listing to go stale in the CA Review Queue
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Got a link?
Since it's likely that a quick search of the OP's area would turn this one up, I'll just preempt the criticism with a mea culpa:
I honestly can't remember the Short Description being there, and I would likely have asked for it to be removed. Looking at the flag waving part gives me a bit of pause at this point in time, although there are so many silly flas mob events out there I could easily see going "meh" at the time.
Sorry for any confusion.
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How are reviewers assigned? By area?
Yes. For Northern California, where you appear to be located, there are three active Reviewers. Southern CA has two. The dividing line is approximately N36.
How many caches do reviewers have to monitor?
We monitor the entire Northern California region. Our duties include reviewing Updated Coordinates log entries, and Needs Archived log entries and taking action when it appears to be necessary.
How do you become a reviewer?
Answered in the link from the KB posted earlier. In my case, when one of the Reviewers in our area took a sabbatical, a search was made by asking respected members of the Geocaching Community for a list of candidates. People I thought were my friends nominated me (just kidding guys
)I see so many caches that have not been found in several months to years.
I understand if something is on a Mt.Top it will have many less finds.
But I am talking about your Traditional regular caches.
It seems like some CO's either have placed more than they can manage or
they are not paying attention & there could be some "cleaning up" done.
Once every couple of months or so, I generate a PQ of Disabled caches in the region. I flag those that appear to have been Disabled for quite some time (usually on the order of 2-3 months). If the Cache Owner responds to my Note that they intend on fixing the cache up, I leave it be. Otherwise the Listing gets Archived after +/- 30 days, with a Note offering to Unarchive the Listing provided that the cache placement still conforms with the Guidelines. I usually get half a dozen requests to Unarchive Listings after sweeps of this sort.
I'll also add, that I'm a little surprised at this question, since I just finished such a sweep about a week or so ago, and the month before that, one of the Reviewers that I share the region with did a similar sweep (I noticed that our PQ's overlapped a bit).
If there are specific Listings that you have some concerns about, please feel free to contact me.
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..wrong thread
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I'm asking if there has been a change in their (the Navajo) views on caching and I figured this forum was a good place to ask, since the reviewers do read this forum.
In general, I believe this to be a bit erroneous. Like the general Geocaching Community, the number of Reviewers that actually monitor the Forums is about the same I would imagine (i.e. very small percentage).
To answer your original question:
After expanding the map on that cache page we find there are caches (virtuals, regular, and earthcaches) on Navajo land. Have they changed their restrictions and now allow caches?
Although I Review in CA, I believe the following portion of the Guidelines would apply on a National level:
In addition, there may be local regulations already in place for certain types of parks in your region (state parks, county preserves, etc.).
I know of one or two "Casino parking lot" type hides in California that were granted permission, but this may vary from one Tribal Authority to the next, so it would be impossible for me to know what is required in your area.
Your best bet would be to contact your Local Reviewer for a definitive answer.
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I agree, and I think they all deserve a donut, too!
Yes they do...from Voodoo Donuts would be best.
Voodoo Donuts would be awesome
Maybe I'll check with my wife to see if she'd like to renew our vows there on our next Anniversary Many happy returns to all you guys and gals that keep hiding great caches. That's what REALLY keeps this site going
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It appears as though you found an Unpublished Listing. Unfortunately in an Unpublished state you will not be able to view the Listing page or log a Find.
It looks as though there were a couple of issues with the submission that the local Reviewer was working on with the Cache Owner. Hopefully things will get resolved soon.
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However, your friend will need to Enable the Listing to return it to the Review Queue where the Volunteer Reviewer will *see* it. Unless the Reviewer has Watchlisted the Listing, they are probably unaware of the changes.
That seems to be a common theme among folks that don't get their submissions reviewed. It must be confusing on the first try.
I agree, it is quite common, although it is nearly as common as people not reading the Notes very closely for relevant instructions, like the following quote from the Note I mentioned:
I've temporarily disabled this listing to give you a chance to address this issue. If you have permission from the school administration, please place that person's contact information in your description on the cache page and then click on the enable link below the cache name to place this cache back onto the active review queue.
Perhaps the nomenclature is confusing to people. I know that it takes some folks one or two submissions before grasping this concept though. I'm not sure what the answer is
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I was wondering where to complan about the reviewers for new caches. why dont they have to go and find the hide to see if the location is good or not they just can't know if the hide is good or not. a family member put a caches in a public park. but was not aloud to publish because to was to close to a school property. th hide was not even in view of the schools property do to a building between them. we then moved it to the other side of the park from the school next to the public restrooms. sent a note to the reviewer and its been over a week now and still havn't heard anything about it and is still not published.
I am new to this game and haveliked it so far. but i am holding off on becoming a prem. member because of this.
i was wondering if others have had this trouble?
Snooping around a bit, it appears that your friend has addressed the Reviewers concerns regarding the proximity to the school grounds by relocating the cache and updating the coordinates.
However, your friend will need to Enable the Listing to return it to the Review Queue where the Volunteer Reviewer will *see* it. Unless the Reviewer has Watchlisted the Listing, they are probably unaware of the changes.
Good luck with the cache, but considering the numerous issues regarding cache placements near schools, your Reviewer was completely justified in questioning it IMHO.
I didn't see anything in the Reviewers Note that would justify your original posting (i.e. it was a form letter that is commonly used).
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I did a search for the cache name that you posted above. Since I have some limited Admin permissions on this account, it allows me to see Unpublished Listings.
The Cache Owner had changed the owner field to, what apparently is, their actual names rather than their Username (an editable field on the Listing form).
Just kind of lucky that they didn't decide to change the name of the cache when they got home, although a search by coordinates or nearby caches would have probably yielded the same results.
Thanks for following through on the issue. It's great to see Community involvement like this
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It was submitted back in 2008 and rejected by the original Reviewer for a lack of a maintenance plan (they live in the UK apparently).
Here is the original Cache Owner:
You might try contacting them and ask them what they want done with the container, although it appears as though they haven't logged on the site for quite some time.
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The real fly in the ointment is who is gonna volunteer? this Reviewer forum would need to monitored by some reviewer(s) willing to handle it. I'm guessing the sign up line on that would be short. Really really short.
There are a handful of reviewers who are in the forums fairly regularly, but most of them aren't posting in reviewer capacity much.
Often the questions that are asked here will be very situationally dependant. IE, you'd need a cache page to look at - so now you've got the "forum reviewer" looking at the same cache as the "local reviewer" and commenting publicly? No thanks.
I agree. I much prefer posting under my alter ego than my Reviewing account precisely becuase I prefer being on the same footing as everyone else. Most of the time, it's just My opinion, and nothing else.
And I agree, not a gig I would sign up for. Well, maybe if they paid me with chocolate
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It had a proximity problem with this Listing:
They talked about relocating it, but it was eventually Archived for inaction and to clear the area of Unpublished Listings and from blocking other potential submissions (not an insignificant problem in CA).
Like Camel680 said, they may have ended up Listing it on another site, but it's not Loggable on GC
Probably my 3rd or 4th used template letter in my stockpile. Now if people will just read it 
Maybe I'll check with my wife to see if she'd like to renew our vows there on our next Anniversary 
Elimination of the old Cache Submission Form
in General geocaching topics
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This has come up several times in the past, and I'm kind of surprised that it even gets mentioned anymore since it's been answered so many times. From the Guidelines: