The Patrician

There are of course legitimate caches in dry stone walls, eg Cattle Grid Reference. "NB. This cache was placed with permission of the landowner. As for use of 'local resources' to hide cache. This has all been approved by her. My thanks to reviewer Lindinis for his guidance with this."

Some lovely photos here, chaps. I have great difficulty choosing, but I love the reflections on Haggis Hunters photo of Loch Skeen - so that's the one. Over to you.

Troubles? Bother? Really? Neil, you don't have to force yourself to visit my caches if they're that unpalatable. Alternatively, I'd be happy to provide hints by PM if you like. No hints required! I did Inversion this morning. Thanks for your caches, they're always fun.

Well if we're talking about something like your "Telepathy" cache (and "Inversion" which I've only just noticed) I'd say "Thank you very much for the coordinates" and save myself a sea of troubles! Speaking of seas of trouble your Jurassic Park cache also gave me a lot of bother I recall. I hadn't seen Sven's videos before this lot blew up and I must say they (the one or two I've watched anyway) seem pretty harmless to me.

I recently found this one: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=8d5d6863-df5e-4e4a-96a7-699506c0a36b I suppose I didn't exactly find the cache in its original location but I found some bits of the cache (which caused me considerably more trouble than finding than a normal cache). I logged it as a find, although I wouldn't have had I not found proof that I had discovered what was left of the cache.

Going back to 2006 the original thread said: "I'm going to ask a question, whoever answers correctly can post the next question and so on... Rule 1 - No googling! Rule 2 - Try and keep your question at the level someone in a pub quiz might be able to answer..." I think we may at times be drifting away from "the level someone in a pub quiz might be able to answer"!

Hastings is the bloke I was trying to remember.

Would it be that Scotsman? The name temporarily escapes me......

that would be me then! For a moment there I thought you meant you'd won 60 caps!

Thanks to Happyshopper for choosing my photo for the "Stealth" theme! The theme this month is "Wild Places" Good luck and have fun! The rules are the same as those used in previous months..... 1) The photo must be cache related and to do with a specific UK cache (any type including events), caching series or caching trip - please include a link to the cache or the GC.... code so we can see where the picture relates to. 2) Two photos per caching team or cacher. (Maybe 3 if you really have an extra pic that's great!) 3) A new thread is started each month, with the OP stating these rules. 4) The winner each month is decided by the winner from the previous month - the new winner starting the thread for the subsequent month. They may set a theme* if they wish. 5) Photos should be recent. Higher credit will be given to photos taken in the current month. 6) The competition runs from the 1st of the month, until a date specified in the OP by the previous months winner. This should give sufficient time for the winner (or other person if necessary) to start the new thread. If you haven't already uploaded a photo, a good tip might be to upload to one of your log entries (it can just be 'post a note'). Then, display the photo and copy the URL to provide a link to the post. If it's not actually relevant to the cache you've used, delete the note and the photo - the URL will still work. On this forum, add a reply and click the small green tree icon above the text box and paste in your URL.

Thanks for that, now I need to think of an idea for the October contest. The sheep had their eyes on the dog and when they all lined themselves up I grabbed the camera and took the photo, pure luck!

Try the Netherton Ponders (http://coord.info/GC2M7KP is the first of the series - easy parking & a nice walk). Whilst not exactly a series there are quite a lot of caches (10-12) on Cleeve Hill which is a lovely spot (in good weather) from: http://coord.info/GCPE04 Cleeve Hill earthacache to http://coord.info/GCH0DQ Belas Knap There's a YOSM here too which doesn't show on the map. The Coombe Hill caches are nice though a lot of walking involved! http://coord.info/GC269YY I've never done the Wheatpieces Wander series as it is a walk through fields around a fairly big housing estate and personally I don't fancy it much, though I may have a bash eventually. Some friends of mine have planted Castlemorton Common's Cunning Caches (start http://coord.info/GC32M0X) and although they are mostly micros they are definitely not just chucked in a hedge!

I confess that I (very occasionally) get out of bed at outrageous times simply to frustrate our local FTF hounds. Very childish I know!

A valid point, but caches that are not being actively maintained tend towards geo-litter reasonably quickly anyway. I've found a couple over the last few weeks that are in wonderful spots but are soaked and in terrible condition. At least if they were archived someone else could use the same place.

I've often thought that cache owners should be obliged to log onto the website every 6 or 12 months or so and confirm that they are still active and maintaining their caches. If they didn't give the confirmation their caches would be automatically archived by Groundspeak. That would sort a few problems out!

I had a feeling I was being watched..... Cleeve View geocache

Something to do with their hooves, I know reindeer have extra large ones, more toes? for grip on snow. Are eland similar? Edit - obviously not for grip on snow but for sand in the eland's case.

In this case I suggest that the landowner acted quite properly and in line with the quote I gave "The person who has the finders rights has an obligation to take all reasonable steps in the given circumstances to find the true owner and state the current whereabouts of the item and care for it in the meantime." I suspect other landowners may not be so fussy and it may be difficult to prove whether the cache had been generally "muggled" or binned by the landowner. Anyway I'm confident that these days 100% of published caches are placed fully in accordance with the guidelines (or rules as we sometimes call them) and that this whole discussion is academic because the landowner is well aware of all caches on his land and has given his prior approval for their placement. Meanwhile back on planet Earth.....

There's a bit here relating to objects found on land (I know a cache isn't strictly "lost" but the finder probably won't know that): http://www.inbrief.co.uk/land-law/objects-found-on-land.htm I suspect the relevant bit is probably "The person who has the finders rights has an obligation to take all reasonable steps in the given circumstances to find the true owner and state the current whereabouts of the item and care for it in the meantime." "Reasonable steps" in the context of a second-hand plastic box containing a partially used damp log book and assorted bits and pieces (value as close to zilch as it's possible to get) is probably to put it in the bin!

Footpath law from the Ramblers and others: http://www.ramblers.org.uk/info/britain/footpathlaw http://www.environmentlaw.org.uk/rte.asp?id=207

I knew a girl once who could beat any boy at this game. She used to stand on her hands! I wonder where she is now, still the wife would probably disapprove of her skills, so it's probably better not to know.

This may help - a comparison between the 60CSx and 62s. http://blog.hendricksen.eu/2010/08/22/comparison-between-garmin-gpsmap-60csx-and-62s/ For what it's worth I bought the 62s for much the same reason as the author of the piece "Furthermore I choose the 62s above the 62st because the 62st (European model) has a ‘built-in’ topographic map of Western Europe scale 1:100.000, where I strongly prefer the 1:50.000 scaled maps. Besides I like to have the in-device memory of 1,7 GB at my own disposal (which is only 400MB for the 62st with Western Europe map)." No regrets about the 62s although the GPX file handling is a pain. For heavens sake I could delete waypoints on my GPS12 10 years ago without plugging it into a PC. Progress eh? Edit - link added!

That's one of the reasons I don't bother with TBs, I've never looked what they're supposed to be doing so except on rare occasions I leave them alone.

That's what I'd have gone for with a bit more thought.

BTW Fianccetto, thanks for the 'Favourite' on my Wood Street cache.