Planet

Still. Two million is old news. We are over two thousand over that mark already. But the news article is what I was pointing out. It was announced.

I found this other forum item that mentioned it and linked to a news article. Edit to add: Even though they named it "One Millionth Geocache....." and invite people to come and find it, it has just 56 logged visits. Please do not inundate their mailbox!!! Cache statistics rise and fall. Numbers change. Besides. 2 million was so yesterday. There are over a thousand more already.

I wouldn't spread that around in public. That's just lazy and creates problems of multiple containers.

It's the same as a vacation cache. No go.

After Sandy Hook, (and I live one town over) I'd say the farther from view of school grounds, the better. Schools across the U.S. are tightening up their security. You might not be the one who gets in trouble, but someone looking for the cache might.

Well. No. We don't ALL have guardrail hides. I would not even approach the DOT for permission for one because I doubt they would permit it, and then they might actually look into it, and it opens a can of worms here. And I've seen how bad some people drive, there's an element of danger. And, as we've seen, it's too easy to be stopped and questioned by law enforcement when you're acting suspicious by the side of the road. I once thought about hiding one, just so I could call it "Pardon me, does this cache make my butt look fat?" but common sense tells me not to do it. There are so many better places to hide a cache. You have to think of the position you are putting cache seekers in when you hide a cache. Having my friends detained by law enforcement while they are at play is not one of my goals in life.

You are correct. Once something is called in as a possible bomb that's the way it has to be treated. Why? What if they just assume it's a cache, walk away but it's not? Guess who gets stuck with the liability on that one? That's right, the police. And who pays for any law suits resulting for mishandled calls? You do, the taxpayer. But whose career goes down the toilet when the wrong call is made and innocent people are injured or worse? It won't be some internet "expert". And guess who will be yelling the loudest? It's the "experts" who think they know all there is to know about law enforcement and bombs because they watch every episode of CSI. And for all the "experts" who wonder who would place a bomb in a cemetery here's some statistics to think about. For every bomb that is set off the bomber has on average practiced with at least 10 others in remote locations prior to setting off the one that is located. Every bomber you've ever read about and all of those you never heard of make practice devices until they perfect what it is they're trying to build. McVey and Oklahoma City? He made several practice bombs. Some worked, some didn't. Some were left in the desert and found by innocent people. The Olympic Park bomber? Numerous practice devices which many did not detonate and were later found in secluded sites. Of the 10 they set for practice on average only 1/2 actually go off. What happens to the others? They just leave them because they know it's not safe to walk back up to their failed ones. You never know where or who will find these abandoned and failed bombs. Nor do you know if the failed ones are still dangerous and could still go off. They're out there. We get calls on them all the time. Just because you don't read about them in your local newspaper doesn't mean they aren't there. The world is full of "experts" who think they know all there is to know about law enforcement because they watch made for TV junk shows and somehow that instills in them what they think is knowledge. People will say "It doesn't look like a bomb." Yeah, so what's a bomb look like? They think all bombs look like something built by a cartoon rabbit or coyote. If it doesn't look like a pipe, has wires, or a clock they think it can't be a bomb. I've seen bombs inside ink pens that would take off a person's hand. Seen them the size of a credit card. Seen them inside TVs. Saw them in coffee cans. Seen them in regular mail envelopes. Look around your house and a bomb could be made to look like anything in your house. Yikes. Now I think I might be wary of caching! Not really. But this is certainly food for thought.

That's great! It's so nice to see creativity.

I'm still here. But I think we're too spread out to have meetings, so I won't be signing up.

We have one in our area that does very well. It's called Town and Country The object is to move this traveling cache to any one of the 36 parks, preserves, reservations and/or sanctuaries listed in the book entitled: Walks & Rambles in Westchester and Fairfield Counties The owner maintains it religiously. I found it in 2003 , and could have moved it quite a few times. I still can if I want to. It keeps coming around.

I do not compare logbooks against online logs. I might if it were my cache and I thought there was a need to check. The only cache I am a stickler about logs on is my virtual. Improper logs could shut it down. I recently had an improper log notification email sent to me for a log that was dated 2007. I went back and forth, even offered another method they could use to prove they were there. They could not. So I deleted the log. They still posted a note saying they were there. I checked their logs. It's pretty easy to tell they were not in this country at that time, but regardless, they did not verify the log.

Really must disagree with this... Not so much of the damage caused by a nail, but it is the perception that anything a human does is just fine and dandy. A sign for informational purposes is one thing (and even that has its' limits), but to willy-nilly put (harmless?) nails into trees for fun or for recreational purposes is something very different -- especially when other other means of attachment are available. I have a hard time believing the concept that the Almighty wants people to wreck and destroy his creations for "fun" or "recreation". I would agree that he put things here for us to use, but somehow I think it was intended to be used wisely. Yes, it is OK to cut down a tree and pulverize it into paper, just as it is OK to cut down a tree to build a house or a barn, or even as heating fuel (with restraint), and many other uses also. Just where would Chicago be today had Michigan not sacrificed its' white pine (twice) to rebuild it? This is not an argument over a single nail pounded into a tree, it is an argument over misuse of resources. Granted, a single nail may not cause the demise of a forest, but many singular nails could. The line needs to be drawn somewhere... what better position than to draw it at zero? The concept of creating a (geo-friendly) recreation which would advocate or allow such abuse IS horrifying. If for no other reason, but to sustain our recreation rather than to have land managers bar ever more properties to activities such as geocaching. The last I checked, God didn't put things here for us to enjoy. He put it here for us to use. Bravo! Well stated.

The issue of the nails in the trees is how much it can anger a land manager/owner and the effect that can have on our game. That is the uniform horror of nails in trees. The horror that we could be forbidden from hiding our Tupperware in the woods. I can put nails in my own trees any time I want. I could put a whole house up in my own trees if I wanted to, but if anyone else tried it, I would have them arrested in a heartbeat. Trees don't break down nails, or bullets, or fencing very much. I work in a lumber mill and we hit that stuff all the time, and it's still pretty intact. Our blades on the other hand often end up needing repair.

I like a simple cache with a nice location. I don't need fancy gimmicks. You go for it! You can do it! I know you can! It will be fun. Betcha can't wait to see who finds it first. I'm sure you're looking forward to a gallery full of great photos! Your first hide! Woo hoo! (Are you encouraged yet?) I remember my first hide. It's still going! Be sure to bring good info with you to the land manager, in case they don't know about caching. You can get some literature at geocacher-u to bring with you. nd one last word of advice: no food, bubbles or smelly/scented items in caches. And make sure it's waterproof, but don't put the cache inside a plastic bag. Good luck!

This was in the newspaper today:

In all my years, I have probably phoned a friend twice. Once, calling brdad in Maine for his Battleship cache. I had come a long way, had already visited 25 different cache stage sites, and he had typo. And I had planned ahead to be able to call him if I needed help. One because I happened to be friends with the CO. It just amazes me how all these people who use the phone a friend technique happen to have the phone numbers of just the right people to call.

PFFFFT. If it is fair for the second to find, it's fair for the first. It's not a competition. Once the FTF log scrolls off the page, nobody's gonna know, or care.

That was Bigfoot.

Be prepared for cachers to destroy all the vegetation around Ground Zero looking for it. Your three paths to ground zero will become one wide swath. Is that what you are hoping to accomplish?

Hey now, nobody said the bikers were on meth.

I would archive a cache like that because it doesn't sound like a place to bring people. It's obviously not a place worth visiting. I pity urban cachers, I really do, never knowing what they are getting themselves into. Cache hiders should really learn to take into consideration what kind of situation they are putting people in. I applaud this archival. Bravo to whoever it was that archived it. And some of my best friends are "bikers".

The no burying rule is so we don't upset the land manager. If the park is the one building the hidey hole, and you explain that to the reviewer, I don't see why an exception can't be made. I would just make sure to put "Hidden with park approval" on the cache page.

Of all of my caches, this is my favorite logbook, and it fits the location. On my micro, I attach a toothpick to the paper so people can get it out and roll it up easier. I am guilty of using plain old paper, but I try to make sure my containers are waterproof, and logs are easy to get at.

I live in Connecticut. One town over from Sandy Hook. Our reviewer has asked us all to please consider disabling or archiving any caches that are very close to schools, in light of what happened. I don't hear anyone complaining yet. The cache at the Sandy Hook Fire House was disabled by the (firefighter) CO immediately (as soon as he could get home. He was on the job for three days straight when it happened.) Even children's playground hides are not a good idea.

If it wasn't posted here, then it's got nothing to do with here, and it can only be considered a player account, unless that person also moderates those fora. Much ado about nothing.