Razak

How bout picking an area of interest that might have historic markers instead of picking a state of interest that has historic markers? Although I like your category, we should make a category that has a rediciously long name... maybe it can be a category of waymarks with ridiculously long name... like if you find a city with a gigantic name or something lol that'd rock!

I was making examples lol I wouldn't make too many categories, I just figured those 4 are the primary christian denominations, other fills in=P For a church that might be two denominations, maybe someone could just put it in both I see no reason why you can't put a single church in two categories as long as it truly fits both. Waymarks are cross-listed fairly often. I really have no idea how this could work, I've never actually planted a geocache before so I don't know the process... that they have over there and not sure how to do it Well the only way to create new categories is to create a group and get 2 officers.. which is why I was lending my support to the tours and geocaching category if you chose to go there, am sure you could find others for the other categories you are looking for (they do limit to 5 right now).. I'm tryin not to join too many=P

This is a category proposal i had awhile ago and wasn't able to get a picture of one of the wax statues until recently to show what they were. Wax statuette machines were fairly popular at tourist hotspots in the 80s and early 90s but have slowly dwindled away as the less expensive, and easier to collect penny smashers came into being. Essentially wax statuette machines were large machines that you could make small wax statues. The statues varied depending on where you got them, zoos usually had animals, but other places had other objects as well. Waymark creator would need to provide a picture of the items the machine makes (if there are more than one machine only one waymark is necessary, can do alternate coords), get coords, provide the cost of making a statue, provide name of the place the waymark resides in, provide hours of the place it is in, and any additional cost that might be associated with getting into the spot. Visitors would just need to visit, since the pictures are already proivded, I see no reason why a picture needs to be there. But I would allow waymarkers to require this proof if they want it. If anyone is interested in joining this group to get this into a waymark just head to the group page and join. If anyone has ideas how to make this category better, please post thoughts in this thread.

I'm not sure if this is an accurate portrayal of how they are different... I agree they are different, though I'm tired of this argument because it is just non-sensical... yes they are different, but they both have many similarities, Waymarking is here because of geocaching, and are very tied to each other in many ways. They aren't entirely different, but yet they are. The argument seems to be like "You can't compare SUVs to Trucks, because SUVs have room for a whole family where a truck doesn't!" Even though they are both automobiles, and actually fairly closely related in the automobile family... But on to your description... Waymarking consists of two components... so does geocaching... actually Waymarking consists of three components....Comparing the two Creating a Waymark is not unlike creating a cache... you need to find an interesting spot and log it... there is more to it here because we all like to take the picture out, say exactly what it is you are looking for, etc... essentially it is virtual caches without the hunt. Second component... visiting = logging nothing different in concept... logging in geocaching is way better than visiting in Waymarking... there is a hunt, there are treasures (though most don't even do this), there are physical logs, etc... The missing component that geocaching really doesn't have is categories... that is the creation of similar waypoints into (hopefully) interesting groups. If you were to ask me what the real difference between Geocaching and Waymarking it is that Geocaching is a hunt or a game... Waymarking is a collection of interesting locations that really need no visiting to enjoy. You can easily surf through a theme you like and enjoy the pictures and read its history without ever actually setting foot on the spot. (this isn't always the case since everyone jumps on any little thing... but it seems to be the case given the grand majority of pictures involved and detailed descriptions... and lack of any info at the location that isn't given to you on Waymarking.com... heck often you get more info here than you would if you actually went to the place). Each has its benefit, I think the benefit of Waymarking is that if you aren't into creating waymarks, you get a lot out of it without investing much time into needing to physically go to the places that are interesting.

Generalizations are just that, there are always exceptions to the rule, I know more than a couple from here on the forums, but then I could go to the McDonald's category and find more people than even post here on a regular basis. Silverquill (yes I like him) Chapterhouse Fishpole Wilke-maus (maybe misplet) Pioneer'n'tiff Geogordie Les Predateurs Stone Posse Team Taskmaster Jay Walking Jeremy (hahaha just kidding, actually given the location, this one isn't bad and is his only in first 5 pages) Ziggy Crew Clevortrevor Now this list consists of just 5 pages... considering the rather small community that comes to the forums probably about the same #, only 2 are very big contributors over here (Silver & Chapter) the rest don't post enough to make me remember their names. What the list consists of are those who consecutively post 3 or more with little or no information on the Mcdonalds or 6 or more with a short paragraph. This means the person was likely hunting for McDonald's, and why would someone hunt McDonald's? To buff numbers. This wouldn't be surprising for Chapter, think he is #1 or 2 on waymarks listed. Oh and the McDonald's listed have to be generic... now this does exclude a couple other numbers whores... Chstrss for example is a Self admitted Numbers Ho whom only had 1 on the first 5, and (I wanna say) she has also stated that she tends to only look for extraordinary McDonald's to post and won't post the generic ones. So a numbers whore with a sense of quality, who woulda guessed! (= Usually they don't care bout the quality. Not sure if that puts your mind at ease CTD but there it is. Your name wasn't on the list, and to be honest I'm not sure if I would even equate you to being on that list. Even if you were, there isn't necessarily anything wrong with being a numbers whore... each has their own game... my point was that given the propensity (happens in geocaching too, just look at lamppost caches) the quality of the average waymark is extremely low and this is a problem if you only want to visit. (unless you are a numbers whore in which you likely won't care). Essentially I'd say that it is up to the category owners to police whether a site is waymark worthy, unfortunately too many seem more interested in commas and whether a photo is included than whether it is an actual quality site. Edit - On a side note, after looking through the McDonald's Category I did realize that this category is fairly unused outside of Silver and clevortrevor in the past two months. Considering how easily the category could be abused, it's not too bad yet

This is kind of what I'm talking about when I'd say I'd rather have more general categories than what we have now... So we could have Blue, Gold, whatever color pleases, but also maybe do historical markers for presidential (global), or historical markers for literary (a lot of writers have their birthhouses marked)... make the category about something, not about somewhere... (Although you could probably do a category with the more general "Area History Markers" or something). And rather have these type of categories than Pennsylvania... Like I said, Penn would be ok for travelers, but the categories for the most part make me feel like i have nothing to do with them... I'd rather have 50 historical marker categories that I can take an active part in, than 50 historical marker categories where I only can actively take part in 1. (Think this last sentance was the best I've put it in the thread! YAY ME!)

Perhaps churches by denomination? (Catholic, Lutheran, Evangelical, Baptist, Other) Midevil Churches would also be very interesting in and of itself. I like the framework houses before, maybe I just never knew what to call those. I knew what they were looking at them though (just make sure to include a picture in the category description if you suggest this one to stop confusion). I'll be devil's advocate and say what about a geocache category not unlike what you are wanting to do. (I realize most waymarkers want to keep them seperate, but why not one category that brings them together? If this is supposed to be about everything why not?) You could put it in Waymarking games, and part of it would be that the waymark would lead you to a geocache. Not sure how you would deal with this on geocaching side if you wanted the find to count over there as well, but would be a very cool idea IMHO. Also I like a Waymark Tours category (maybe also in games?) idea, could only get 4 coords right now in a single waymark but perhaps if you get em in an interesting area with several unique features per coord, that may be good enough. These last two categories would certainly be worth visiting! I might be interesting in joining as an officer if you need em for a possible geocache or tours category.

This was actually a really funny thread to read for me. I realize it isn't funny to you but it is just funny to be out of the situation and reading it. I can't even believe that these things are that big of a deal where someone would even bother mentioning them WITH approval, let alone denying because of them!! Although there are apparantly these perfectionists out there I got a deny vote on my last category because I spelt address, adress. If that was my only type, I think I did fairly well though=) I should get a ribbon!!!! I think there needs to be language in the peer review page that typos should be pointed out but categories should not get denied for a typo! Same with waymarks regardless of who owns the category... certianly fi teh etnrie txt lOOks bd, but not if it is just the occassional tpyo/mis-pelling, or perfectionist hell of where to put commas! (I'm an English major and don't care that much bout this stuff!)

I just realized that it'd be really nice if we could get a search within the category. I realize that you can filter out anything but your local coords but what if you could do searches based on variables that the category owner sets, or keywords in the category? For instance, I just created the Building Buildings category. In it I have a variable for building completion checkbox. If visitors to the category could filter out those that are checked (meaning completed) and those that weren't (meaning you'd only see completed) that would be really cool... or maybe in the fountain category there keyword search that would look through descriptions of all words in the category so if I was looking for a whale fountain all I would need to do is go to fountains, type in whale in the category search and "Killer Whale Fountain" would be staring me in the face. I think this would allow everyone a better way to digg =P through the junk on the site and find what they are more interested in seeing. Allowing the category owners some kind of control over the more important variables I think would also be nice because not every variable is worth searching through, but some I think might and only those in the category would truly know that. On a related note, I'd also like to see "Newest in Category" (Which I realize are on top right now), "Most Popular in Category", and "Least Popular in Category." Would just be interesting I think to have these.

I'm sure they will make this sort of deadline at some point in time. I'm guessing they want the system down first, so right now they will get rid of bugs, perfect the system, and get more categories added in hopes that all those at geocaching.com won't have the issue of not having a category to go to.

To the bridge categories credit, there are many interesting bridges out in the world. The problem is there are many times that number of interesting bridges in uninteresting bridges that aren't worth the time. It is hard to sort out the difference, and I doubt many want to put in that kind of work into the site. Waymarkers are mostly interested in upping their number so they will mark everything in site, whereas visitors just want to see the interesting ones. Sadly this site relies on the waymarkers to find the interesting and only the interesting... on a side note... is there really a henhouse category? I agree. This site is designed for creating waymarks not for visiting them. This is a problem that i don't think many recognize. I personally am trying to figure out categories worth visiting right now more than categories worth Waymarking. I just got Building Buildings through which I think creates a visiting situation (to update pictures on a building under construction), but once the building is complete, reason to visit drops drammatically. I also have put up suggestions for a movable waymark and tracking railroad cards as they travel the country but both of these are basically on hiatus until they get the tech in for this type of category (as per Jeremy's request). Perhaps though this is right now the issue that needs to be rectified by those creating categories. Perhaps we need more markers who notice the problem and are creative enough to think up categories that help solve it. There are some categories worth visiting already, just not many=/ (Berry Picking I think will be a great category when it gets in season). One problem in this area is the current limitation of 5 groups and 5 categories per person... I got 5 groups and only 2 categories and can't create any more because of the group issue. But even if you didn't screw up your groups because you unkowingly created some for ideas you hadn't completed yet or accidently, 5 categories isn't alot. Hopefully this gets changed in the future.

Personally I'd say leave em for now... especially since Groundspeak hasn't "officially" announced Waymarking as live. It seems a lot more live since the last big upgrade but I'm sure there are a few more features on the way and a few more bugs to squash... so until that happens I say leave it... now on webcams you may have a little leeway if indeed there is a cache nearby for the webcam... I think you could technically mark the cam since it would still be needed for the cache anyway and would not be moved over... there is a virtual cache in my town that I'd like to move to Waymarking so I feel yer pain=P

It was my understanding that all the old earthcaches, locationless caches, virtual caches, and benchmarks would eventually get moved over. I'm not sure on when they are going to do this and I don't know what they'd do with webcams... after all many webcams have real geocaches associated with them don't they? (I think the one in my city has a real cache somewhere)

I never new that! Thanks... Obviously neither did I, would be cool to have a thread/FAQ with such features shared, not that I'd probably read it (and heck it's probably there lol)

<shrug> I don't care that much was just adding my two cents... I just not gonna touch em (maybe best for them=P)

This thread is being started to allow a discussion format for officers and group members of the Building Buildings category. If you are not a member, feel free to chime in and offer opinions on the category anyway, always looking to make the category better!! Group Page - Open Enrollment Building Buildings Category Thanks to all who voted the category in, as well as to those who left feedback on the forms, I felt they were very helpful and have made some changes and am considering others already=)

So you propose we ruin more kinds of caches by moving them to Lamemarking? No, thanks. Nice way to keep an open mind, fizzymagic. Did I totally miss a post?

You make a valid point, however I could also certainly argue that a more broad Civil War Monument category may still be more approriate than a US Civil War Monument, it is more than one event yes, but in a way that's why it would be better=P You could still attach US Civil War monuments in there, but you could also attach monuments for other civil wars as well.... Likewise there are a lot of historical societies out there that provide markers... why not just have a historical society marker category instead of just pennsylvania? The point is you are saying these are not necessarily regionalized, but in a way they certainly are. You say PHS could put a marker in Timbuktu but seriously what are the chances that they go outside of Penn very often? Likewise, I am sure there are 1 or 2 US Civil War monuments, but I'm guessing it is seriously only one or two... if there are more i think it would be more interesting to see a category on the US Civil War monuments not in the US and have that just be the category lol Heck I doubt there are really that many US Civil War monuments in much of the west, Hawaii, and Alaska. All that being said, having the historical society thing explained a little better i guess I am more not liking those such as the Arizona above who seem to be without a historical society (must not be much history in Arizona), but I still think it would be preferable to group them by historical society than by each state's historical society....(because I bet Arizona is in the minority on this subject)

Figured you might have been interested in at least joining a group for this, glad to see you are also willing to lead it, this I think is a long over due category for Waymarking.com

I think christian churches may be a tad broad, not sure how it is where you are but a city with 10k people in it here is bound to have probably 20-40 christian churches in it. I would suggest trying to narrow it down a tad. Not entirely sure what a framework house would be... can you give an example? That may help. Otherwise your english is fine and city walls would be cool, though I bet would be more old world than new world for the most part. (to me still interesting though so would love to have it in!)

Just thought I'd chime in on the subject, since I like to do that=P My personal feeling is that I would rather have more general topics than what we have and more unique ones than we have at the same time... more general in the sense that the historical marker topics shouldn't be split up into states... they should just be maybe "government sanctioned historical markers"? and then more unique in the way that the sub-categories would then be split up into different types rather than different states... there are a ton of historical markers as we all know... but then there are a ton of say buildings... I would much rather see an octagon shaped buildings, odd-shaped buildings, and shot towers than Texas Buildings, Florida Buildings, and Arizona Buildings. That being said I realize there is some benefit and reason to having it seperated like it is. I would just like to see them more explained by the category title. As it is I don't even bother looking at any of them because I don't really know what is involved in any of them and there are far too many to wade through. I also have the assumption that with their current titles they involve all historical markers in the state (perhaps you could subcategorize the state markers if you want to keep the state title) and like I said in another thread, there are just too many in most places in the U.S. Everything seems to have a historical marker. I guess the point I'm having is that I'd rather see categories that unify the entire world and show of similar markers so that we can actually compare and see what the differences are like (I think that'd be neat) than segregate us off. I live in Wisconsin, I could go out and log all the Wisconsin ones but I just don't feel like it. I know it'd be interesting for those traveling here, but otherwise the only ones looking at the list are those living here. And lets face it we can get the locality through search, what we can't get through search as well is similarity of type.

Bounty points does indicate (to me at least) that it isn't just a number, that there is a prize attached to it.... like you get 1000 bounty points and you get a free Waymarking hat or something. It isn't a bad idea, in fact I had almost posted it in this thread as an idea before ya'll started talkin about it (I had never heard it) but honestly I thought it might it be difficult to make it worthwhile because while a free hat every now and then would be cool, it isn't collectable or tradeable (less they started coming out with series and taking old ones out of print every now and then). I still don't mind the idea of some sort of collectable icon, or shutterbug, or integrated travel bug either.

Sweet so we only need a leader if anyone is up for it hehehe

There were sadly a lot of good ideas that got lost in the old boards when we switched here (there were a lot of proposals that never got put in during the random additions and the original creators seem to have gone awal) I hope some more people come around and start resurecting some of them because some of them were really good... bird watching is definitely something that SHOULD be in Waymarking... but jeremy is right, this needs to be as broad as possible... global is better! (can't remember who said that hehehe).

Ok I think it is high time this site got a list of Frank Lloyd Wright buildings compiled. Wikipedia Link be Here. To Create a waymark: Get the Coords Take a picture Get the name of the building Get Date of completion History of the project (including why it was built, who comissioned the work, what Wright was trying to do with it, etc.) Special features. To Log: Up to the waymark owner... prefered to not require picture (since I don't have a digital camera and I am not the only one, however some buildings like the Gugenheim may be cool if you could take pictures of exhibits if that is allowed, or maybe other houses you could ask the person to take a picture of a non-photographed part of the building) Possible Variables Date of completion History of project Special Features Cost of project Checkbox for if the building has tours If so, the hours of tours I will join the group as an officer, so we would only need a leader and another officer to get this group off the ground if anyone is with me. If you want to be the leader of this group... create the group, open its enrollment and post a link in response.