enfanta

If I want to drive around for thirty minutes looking for a place to park, I'll go to the mall on Saturday morning. Failing to include such broad, basic information as a town name is a weak way to improve the difficulty of a cache.

... and if that doesn't work hopping on one foot while drooling and humming will probably do the trick. Or there's this option: "Okay, now, if you don't mind, I'd like to get back to the task of beating the sh*t out of these guys." "I wouldn't do that if I were you." "Why not? What do you know? Karate?" "No, I know Dow." "What is Dow?" "Dow is the chemical company that makes Mace!"

Okay then, fair enough. I'm still heading out as planned, sounds like Smoochnme will be going along (I think) and if any of you care to join in at some point, feel free.

quote: I'm just worried that a lot of people would just avoid the cache completely if they knew that books were the only booty. I mean, they could still sign the log there and get the credit for the find - but I know some folks hunt just for the treasure. There's better treasure than books??? Huh. Whodathunkit.

Use whichever logo you like. All I know is when I look at the GX logo, all I can think is "GOD SQUAD!" Perhaps it should be used for all those religious caches out there?

-- any other takers? Only 5 caching days left!

I have no problem with folks registering one cache on both sites. Different folks use different sites and if it gets more cachers to your cache, go ahead and list it on both. Just from the little bit of surfing I've done, though, this does seem the most comprehensive site currently available.

If the original point of this symbol was to be something all cachers could use (for clubs, coins and such), I have to go with A and D shown at the top of this thread. Leaving the middle of the symbol open allows individuals to incorporate their own images of caching. For instance, dropping in the logo of the Cachers Alliance of Central Harrisburg (East) to show the chapter within the organization.

... isn't Geo short for George? (Or Georgina?)

quote:I think an analogy for you would be saying how kids used to play stickball on the stoop, but then the parents got involved and started creating rules, requiring umpires, then laws were established regarding unruly parents, and then they couldn't play on the street so they moved it to the ball field, a league was created and under the guise of "we need to protect the children" now the coaches & every members of the support staff down to the groundscrew need to have background checks. I've read this thread from start to finish and after awhile, it was pretty clear k2dave didn't mean commercialization in the sense of pop-up ads and required memberships (and yet we continued to talk about that because it really is great how unobtrusive Groundspeak is on geocaching.com). But I was curious what he meant and I suspect you've hit the nail on the head. It does seem that to play the game you have to belong to a league. In this case, the "league" may be as simple as owning a GPS and having access to the Internet. (I just deleted a paragraph about paying $80 for a GPS and having access to the internet not being simple for a great many folk in this great country, but that's a topic for another thread.) If there are too many rules and IF this is what k2dave was talking about then it seems the time is ripe for an underground in the geocaching community. Caches whose coordinates can only be gathered by word of mouth, or through 'zines or some such thing. quote: To use my analogy, kids who continue to play off the stoop aren't viewed as legit because they're not part of the league. The league IS baseball. There is no baseball without the league. They're just as legit and probably having as much fun (if not more) than those in the league. Stick with it k2dave and any others who feel over-regulated. Make it what you want to be: it's your sport, too.

HA!!

http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:Egg3UdOPjeoC:www.mun.ca/muse/entertainment/index.php%3Fitem%3D5+mail+art+projects+with+travelling+objects&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 (yick! will that link even work??) This is from that site. (I searched google with "mail art projects with travelling objects") The focus of the website is to get people involved in LMAOs (or Land Mail Art Objects.) An LMAO can either be a travelling LMAO or a collection-type LMAO. A travelling LMAO is where the creator sends something to the first person signed up on the list, who then sends it to the next person and so on. A collection-type LMAO is where all the participants send something to the creator, who then compiles the objects. LMAO topics range from the serious, such as the “Losing a Parent Journal,” where participants add their experiences of losing a loved one to a journal, to the crazy — such as the ever-popular “Test The Post” series. Here, people send unpackaged plates, mousetraps, or even toast in the mail just to see if it will get through. Exchanges are the most recently developed section of nervousness, but have quickly become the most popular and successful part of the site (almost 12,000 hits at the time of this writing.) Exchanges happen between only two people and involve either an exchange of art works (art cards, photos, etc.) or, more frequently, an exchange involving commercial goods (CDs, books, movies.) Some users see nervousness as a place where they can easily get something they’ve been trying to find, others see it as a place where they can get rid of stuff they don’t want anymore. In both cases, the idea that one person’s trash is another person’s treasure proves to be very true. Nervousness.org was launched on June 16, 2001, and has grown massively in both number of members and number of exchanges. Partially inspired by 1000journals.com, nervousness was originally created to enable people to give journals to each other without ever having to meet in real life. One of the creators of nervousness had been attempting to meet with another person so that they could exchange a journal. Yet they couldn't manage to meet up in person, no matter how hard they tried. The idea of being able to mail journals to other people meant it would be easier for journals to get passed around, and that people in many different places could more easily participate. The idea quickly expanded to include other LMAOs, leading to the creation of many different art projects. Nervousness.org also gives users ways in which to exchange ideas: forums and Q&A. In the forums, experienced artists help those newly acquainted with the idea of LMAOs by posting words of wisdom, and suggestions on how to create a successful object. Q&A’s are also a great way for people involved in exchanges or LMAOs to contact one another, either for information about the object, or simply to learn more about somebody who lives halfway across the world. So, don’t try and stop someone from putting a piece of toast in a mailbox — they’re probably just trying to help out a fellow starving artist.

http://internettrash.com/users/sprkythdvl/gnome.htm I couldn't find many pages when I searched for Gnome Liberation Front and GPS on google. Whoops, wait, just reread your post. Sounds like you need to search under "mail art" and that's a reeeeeeeeally big topic. I'll keep looking.

...gotta agree with you guys. I can see how placing a cache in the side of a cliff would give most land managers the screaming heebee-jeebies.

Does this make you first finder??

Does this make you first finder??

quote: Why MUST we ask? Does a deer hunter ask before he puts up a stand? Does a wildlife photographer ask before he installs a movement sensitive camera? Does a hiker ask permission to hike? If the park regulations don't prohibit an activity and it is not against the law, then why is permission required? quote: ...If I want to go fly a kite, I don't ask permission. If I want to spread out a blanket and have a picnic, I don't ask permission. As long as there's no prohibition against a specific activity, why ask for permission? Unlike the hiker, the kite-flier and (I hope) the picnicker, we leave things behind. Unlike the hunter and photographer, we encourage others to follow us. Until we can convince the parks that we are an asset and not a liability, we will be watched and hindered. Let's not make them the enemy, folks, but encourage them to welcome us. Ttepee, you had a great idea about adding a disclaimer to the web page: have you approached Mr. Gary with that idea?

quote: Why MUST we ask? Does a deer hunter ask before he puts up a stand? Does a wildlife photographer ask before he installs a movement sensitive camera? Does a hiker ask permission to hike? If the park regulations don't prohibit an activity and it is not against the law, then why is permission required? quote: ...If I want to go fly a kite, I don't ask permission. If I want to spread out a blanket and have a picnic, I don't ask permission. As long as there's no prohibition against a specific activity, why ask for permission? Unlike the hiker, the kite-flier and (I hope) the picnicker, we leave things behind. Unlike the hunter and photographer, we encourage others to follow us. Until we can convince the parks that we are an asset and not a liability, we will be watched and hindered. Let's not make them the enemy, folks, but encourage them to welcome us. Ttepee, you had a great idea about adding a disclaimer to the web page: have you approached Mr. Gary with that idea?

More and more I'm hearing (and reading) "Hope we bump into each other some day!" That day has arrived. Or, will arrive in a couple weeks. I know it's traditional to have a picnic for cachers to gather at and hunt one-day caches and share potato salad but frankly, I haven't the energy or time to arrange something like that right now but I don't want to miss out on meeting all you great cachers. So here's what I propose. Saturday, the 19th of October, rain or shine, snow, hail or icky roads (but not a blizzard, I won't go out in a blizzard), I am going to hunt "Hawk 3" by Hawk-eye, "Snake Den Cache" by 2 Old Snakes and "White Lady of the Buckhorn" by John, Lisa, Aaron, and Bryanne (and if I have time and feel like it, I'll go after "Muskrat Spring Cache" by Buckwheat and Little Scout and/or "Pioneer Gal #5 (Kochenderfer Bridge Cache)" by PioneerGal. One and all are welcome to join me in seeking out these caches. Then, at about 6 pm, I will be at Boxer's in Huntingdon, enjoying some great food in a lovely pub. Again, one and all are welcome to join me. In fact, first finder of Enfanta gets his/her dinner free: how's that for a cache nugget?! Incidentally, Penn State plays Northwestern at Beaver Stadium at 12:10 PM on the 19th but I guess you'll just have get your priorities straight! So how 'bout it, Central PA Cachers (or indeed, cachers anywhere)? Anyone up for a little socializing? (I'll bring a book to Boxer's just in case! )

More and more I'm hearing (and reading) "Hope we bump into each other some day!" That day has arrived. Or, will arrive in a couple weeks. I know it's traditional to have a picnic for cachers to gather at and hunt one-day caches and share potato salad but frankly, I haven't the energy or time to arrange something like that right now but I don't want to miss out on meeting all you great cachers. So here's what I propose. Saturday, the 19th of October, rain or shine, snow, hail or icky roads (but not a blizzard, I won't go out in a blizzard), I am going to hunt "Hawk 3" by Hawk-eye, "Snake Den Cache" by 2 Old Snakes and "White Lady of the Buckhorn" by John, Lisa, Aaron, and Bryanne (and if I have time and feel like it, I'll go after "Muskrat Spring Cache" by Buckwheat and Little Scout and/or "Pioneer Gal #5 (Kochenderfer Bridge Cache)" by PioneerGal. One and all are welcome to join me in seeking out these caches. Then, at about 6 pm, I will be at Boxer's in Huntingdon, enjoying some great food in a lovely pub. Again, one and all are welcome to join me. In fact, first finder of Enfanta gets his/her dinner free: how's that for a cache nugget?! Incidentally, Penn State plays Northwestern at Beaver Stadium at 12:10 PM on the 19th but I guess you'll just have get your priorities straight! So how 'bout it, Central PA Cachers (or indeed, cachers anywhere)? Anyone up for a little socializing? (I'll bring a book to Boxer's just in case! )

How the heck do they enforce this?? Do you have to carry a county identification card??? Really, this isn't a hypothetical question, how do they enforce this rule?

How the heck do they enforce this?? Do you have to carry a county identification card??? Really, this isn't a hypothetical question, how do they enforce this rule?

For finding ONE HUNDRED CACHES!! YAY! And for placing quite a few, too!

For finding ONE HUNDRED CACHES!! YAY! And for placing quite a few, too!

...allow us to reinstate this cache? "[The Limestone Quarry] cache is no longer there. The Park Rangers removed it due to the proximity to the quarry walls. They felt people would get injuried looking for it. ...the park rangers left an explaination in the logbook on what happened to this cache." I've been following this thread off and on but if someone could refresh my memory, I'd appreciate it. Does the permission form allow us to place caches anywhere semi-reasonable? (I logged this cache and it required some climbing but nothing technical. It was also a lot of fun. I'd hate to lose all caches of this sort...)