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Since the cache was there first I would go this route also. I would also rename the cache to something like "On Broadway". I cant help but think of what the little girls parents would think of the name. Without knowing, I would change it. A LARGE percentage of caches I've done have been in cemeterys. The difference I see (in the several hundred I have done) is cemetery hides (with a few thoughtless exceptions) tend to be many feet or yards away from a headstone. Many, even around the perimeter of the grounds.

No. They are not the same. At all. The question “What are your best tips to turn a muggle into a geocacher?” which is the subject of this and the referenced article, is much different than “What are your best tips to get a muggle interested in geocaching?” Judging by the OPs response to my post, “What are your best tips to get a muggle interested in geocaching?” is the OP's intended question A guitarist knows at least the basics of how to play a guitar. A plumber knows at least the basics of how to install plumbing. A golfer knows at least the basics of how to play golf. None of them became what they are simply by showing interest in it. They had to go through a learning process. A geocacher needs to know the basics of how to geocache. Even the referenced article was about teaching basics to muggles yet it had NO mention of proper logging. Please forgive me for my rant. I have to go yell at the kid on my lawn.

I've found that explaining what geocaching is and how many are around them without them knowing about it will get most muggles interested in geocaching. But.... and.... Well, Those are two different things.

Teach them how to log properly. Teach them that if you don't find the cache you don't log it as found. You log it as Did Not Find. Teach them that a DNF is not a sign of failure. It happensto all geocachers. Log it that way. Teach them to use Needs Maintenance when they find logs wet, missing, full or the cache is broken. This is the way cache owners are alerted to a problem with their cache. Teach them it is the cache owners responsibility to maintain it. Dropping in a temporary replacement log is acceptable to most cache owners until they can maintain it. Teach them when to carefully use “Needs Archived” if a cache is not being properly maintained after a “Needs Maintenance” or other problematic issues with the cache are not being addressed. Teach them that replacing a cache without permission is unacceptable. These are BASIC guidelines and exceptions can and have been made depending on circumstances. Encourage them to read up and become familiar with all of geocaching guidelines at this website. Geocaching is more than getting someone interested and downloading an app. Too many people have entered this activity lately and are completely uninformed. The apps do a terrible job of informing people proper geocaching and too many people don't bother to find out on their own

I don't think it will hurt at all. But reality is that the transportation, agricultural, mining, construction, surveying and countless other industries that rely on GPS will be listened to and shape what happens long before the GPS hobbyists are ever listened to.

Anyone need a good example of a bad example?

I think that a good thing to do. Especially after looking at the 3 caches they placed and seeing the problems they have with getting coordinates right.

Same way I have motivate myself for everything. Coffee. Lots of coffee.

Yes it is. Except for many its hidden. More and more cachers coming into the activity don't use it because of that. They don't "opt out" of the "new" yet vastly inferior logging "experience" on the website. Or on their phone app they see... Chose Log Type Found DNF Write Note Needs Maintenance and Needs Archived should be included when a cacher Is prompted to enter a log type.

If railroad tracks are not sufficient to warn a parent about possible danger then nothing a cache owner does will be. The fact that geocaching accommodates all ages and parents have the ability and the responsibility to assure their own child's safety while geocaching (and anything else) has been explained over and over ad nauseam. We can explain it to you. But we cant understand it for you.

I don't know of anyone that thinks that. I have never seen anyone post anything that I would infer that from. Where does that statement even come from? Perhaps you could correct me and direct me there. Everything I see indicates that virtually all geocachers believe that the activity, with its ability to allow you to choose how you participate in it, is something that can be enjoyed by everyone. There are caches that range from wheelchair accessible and easy for children to caches that take skill and training such as scuba diving or climbing cliffs. I cached for many years with 2 young sons and now have a granddaughter to take caching. I have no problem finding child friendly caches. Also a few years back I was 40 feet up a tree. I love the choices. If you somehow feel that geocaching should ONLY be a kid friendly activity, I feel you are incorrect.

I absolutely agree with that. However I see some seriously snide reply's to some posts. Frequent posters may take it with a grain of salt and even join in with a spirited debate. But to to a newcomer or infrequent visitor to the forums it can be off putting and give a bad impression. Especially to a young person.

I drive by that often and occasionally can even see it up there. Its been on my to-do list for quite a few years, But, The sons have grown. married and have things to do now. Maybe someday.

So, now that you know how to find NM I think it would be a good idea to go back to the page for GC20NWC that you found yesterday and do just that! From the looks of the recent logs it "Needs Maintenance".

Even if that was true? - It IS true. Why does their failure to do so affect you? - It affects everyone involved in geocaching. Because rules/guidelines are there for a reason. They form the structure of the activity. Without them them we may as well allow someone to claim a ammo can cache hidden in France when they actually came across a discarded pop can along the road in New Mexico.

I put parking coordinates on my cache. But I've watched as people have the audacity to park somewhere else and claim my cache. I think I should start deleting their finds.

Just, wow! There's a phrase I use once in a while. "I can explain it to you. But I cant make you understand it."

On 4/14/20 they logged a traditional in Brandenburg, Germany . On 4/15 A virtual in Nevada. 4/16 a traditional in Berlin, Germany. The translated Nevada log reads.... "This interesting virtual was done in a team. In particular, my travel-loving daughter from our EAHC team was kind enough to take on this part. So it was still in the pre-Corona period. I deliberately saved the log for a current challenge project. Thanks for the nice job, stay healthy and BG from Berlin!" Hmmmmmm

Team geocaching has been around and accepted by geocachers almost since the beginning of geocaching and it requires that members of the team arrive at or close to the 2 given coordinates of the cache which do not include altitude. Tools are allowed to be used to retrieve a cache. Ladders, long polls, scuba gear, drones and even other humans can be used to overcome the altitude obstacle. In the case of Mt. Everest, as far as geocaching goes, the summit STILL has a latitude and longitude that the cache would have to be at to allow it to be logged. Base camp is WAY off those coordinates. Currently geocaching is based on 2 coordinates. Latitude and longitude. For the sake of this debate, when altitude becomes an added requirement you will have a valid point. Until then, you dont.

As close as possible to the given coordinates of the cache you are going to sign. Allowing for variables such as GPS accuracy, weather conditions, how accurate the given coordinates are etc.

Having someone up in a tree toss me the cache container and I sign the log and toss the container back up is no different than me climbing a ladder or using a 25 foot pole with a hook to retrieve the cache. The tool just happens to be a person. I have fulfilled the requirement of arriving at the correct latitude and longitude and signing the log.

No doubt they can be. But that misses the point. I know of no one that has bought a smart phone for the intent of going geocaching. (I'm sure someone has, somewhere.) Most that download the app purchased that phone for its many other features. I know many people, myself included, that spent well over $100 on a hand held gps unit so they get into the activity because phones simply were not capable at the time.

Once upon a time people had to invest time, effort and maybe even a few hundred dollars into this activity. The people that participated then tended to take the time to educate themselves about the do's, dont's and guidelines of geocaching. Now you simply add a free and app to your smarter-than-you-phone and partake in the activity without the slightest knowledge of what those do's, dont's and guidelines are. I have no proof but would not be surprised to find out that most of them don't know whats wrong with what they are doing. I dont think the problem has been caused by "group" or "team" caching. Its been caused by ignorance and maybe lack of caring. I try not to attribute to malice things that can be explained by ignorance.

Looks like I may have a chance on Friday and Saturday night. Weather permitting, which is iffy right now. Thanks for the reminder! I've been an astronomy buff all my life and observed satellites countless times. People don't realize that you can watch the night sky for a few hours and sometimes see several.

I've climbed trees for a caches that were far more "dangerous". However, looking at the street view, IMHO Its a lousy place for a cache and I would drive by it. I could be somewhat safe and pull of the highway in the nearby pull off. Or I could pull of at the prior exit and look for a good place to park and walk there. But why would I? Has this cache brought me to an interesting place worth the trouble to get to? Have I not found enough 35 mm film can caches? I've done my share of crappy caches because urban areas are loaded with them. But I sure don't go out of my way or park along a highway to do them.