ExtremeNorthWales
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QEF = quick easy find CAD = cache and dash
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I have a bit of O.C.D. and so I'm finding this month very difficult. Not caching for a whole month is not an option for me. I can't stand the thought of missing just one or two days and having a gap in my run of souvenirs. And no, fudging the dates (backdating or whatever) is not an option for me, as all of my statistics have to be accurate. Argggh! I'm sure the whole point of the August Souvenirs, was to get people out caching and increase their love of the hobby. Unfortunately, it's having the opposite effect on my girlfriend, who is getting fed up of the situation. She had been enjoying geocaching with me, but now we are having to go out in the rain some days, she is not so impressed. Ultimately, I think that the souvenir a day challenge is cheapening the concept of souvenirs.
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Things that irk me about geocaching:
5. Wherigos and Chirps. (Isn't the company that does those the one that owns an alternative geocaching site.)
I think it's really interesting how different people enjoy different things. I have only found one Wherigo, but it was the best caching adventure I have experienced.
Just wondering why Wherigos irk you? How many have you done and what were your experiences of them? Maybe I was just really lucky with the one I tried.
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My usual practice is to log a DNF only if I've actually reached GZ and searched, even if only briefly. If for some reason I wasn't able, or chose not to, reach GZ (too many muggles, too muddy, whatever), I'll usually post a Note. As mentioned earlier, a note that the area is very muggly around lunchtime or something along those lines might be helpful for future cachers to know.
This is exactly the approach I take.
Personally, I wouldn't log a DNF if I hadn't searched for the cache and definitely not if I didn't even get to GZ.
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I have been told that the person with the most finds in the U.K. has the number plate "geo bus". I don't know if this is true? I guess the plate would have to be G30 BUS to conform to regulations.
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I don't understand why you want to make a rock cache if you hate them? Why would you try to create an experience for others, which you don't enjoy yourself?
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Some sites generate statistics for you, which you can then copy and paste (the H.T.M.L.) directly into your profile. If you Google mygeocachingprofile or project geocaching, you can see two of the sites I have used. The former definitely generates the map you refer to.
You just need to upload a pocket query containing all of your finds. The website gives a step by step process for doing this.
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When someone is FTF, but then they take an age to post their log online. Then I dash out, get to GZ, feel all excited that I'm going to be FTF; only to find the log is already signed.
What irks me? People who think they are entitled to be notified if they are not going to be FTF on a cache. Part of the FTF side game is not knowing if you are first and feeling the rush hit you when you find out you are. I cannot understand how such self-entitlement can motivate a person to think that they must be placated by an immediate FTF log, lest they actually be disappointed if they come in second.
What are you on about, "placated by an immediate FTF log"? If you had read my post correctly, you would see that it said, "they take an age to post their log online".
I understand that some people don't have smartphones and so can't post a log until they get home. I don't think it's unreasonable to hope that people will log their FTF within a reasonable amount of time.
I enjoy the thrill of seeing if I'm FTF, or if I have just missed out; but not to get there in the evening and find FTF was at 6:30am (as happened to me once).
I read your post quite easily and understood what you said. In regard to why a person may not log immediately or within your preferred amount of time, what if that person was caching all day? What if they had something come up? Perhaps they had to work? Maybe they were just tired and elected to wait a bit? There are a myriad of reasons why a person may not log a cache as fast as you'd like, and it's certainly not unreasonable that they log it when they can or want.
Not everyone plays by your rules or timetable, and they certainly aren't obligated to post find logs as you think they should. As I said, you want to be placated. My point remains.
I don't have rules or a timetable, I just have a preference and an opinion. I haven't said that people are obligated to do anything. There are no rules or guidelines for the FTF side game.
I resent the accusation that I want to be placated and have some feeling of self-entitlement.
I'm not sure why you took such issue with my original post and read things into it which weren't there.
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When someone is FTF, but then they take an age to post their log online. Then I dash out, get to GZ, feel all excited that I'm going to be FTF; only to find the log is already signed.
What irks me? People who think they are entitled to be notified if they are not going to be FTF on a cache. Part of the FTF side game is not knowing if you are first and feeling the rush hit you when you find out you are. I cannot understand how such self-entitlement can motivate a person to think that they must be placated by an immediate FTF log, lest they actually be disappointed if they come in second.
What are you on about, "placated by an immediate FTF log"? If you had read my post correctly, you would see that it said, "they take an age to post their log online".
I understand that some people don't have smartphones and so can't post a log until they get home. I don't think it's unreasonable to hope that people will log their FTF within a reasonable amount of time.
I enjoy the thrill of seeing if I'm FTF, or if I have just missed out; but not to get there in the evening and find FTF was at 6:30am (as happened to me once).
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When someone is FTF, but then they take an age to post their log online. Then I dash out, get to GZ, feel all excited that I'm going to be FTF; only to find the log is already signed.
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Before geocaching, I had managed to avoid ticks completely. Then after a weekend in the woods, I was getting ready for bed and found a tick on my groin. I think the experience has scarred me for life! I'm very careful to avoid long grasses now and always have a thorough checking over after being in the countryside.
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I read this thread with great interest, as it's something I've been considering for a while. My girlfriend and I want to get a Weimaraner and I can't wait to try training him to find caches! I think it will be somewhat successful, as a dog should be able to find human scented containers in the wild.
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8.16% for me. Caching for under three years and with just 344 finds. Caches in the U.K, mostly in Hampshire and North Wales.
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Yes, these three Wherigo's in Southern England are exactly like that:
They all start at the same spot, and run the same game cartridge, but depending on your actions along the adventure you will be sent to either the Bronze, Silver, or Gold cache. Many people who have completed it once then go back for another go, and make different choices to find the other caches. I haven't done them myself yet, but have heard from cachers who have that it's a fantastic idea - which is reflected in the finders logs.
Thanks - I'll have to check those out. 58 miles from home; so not in my usual caching area but feasible to do on a day trip.
The idea of having 3 different caches (with different listings) is interesting. So if I do this cache and get Gold first time; if I want to find the other 2 caches then when doing it again I need to make different ("worse") choices.
I have done this Wherigo and I found the Silver cache. It was great fun and I even got a laminated certificate in the container.
It's funny that it's mentioned on this thread, as it was the first thing that came to mind as I was reading it!
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Ahhh, I see what the matter is here. Clan Riffster states that, "we all know we should sign the log" and "it's an integral part of the hobby" but also gives examples of when a find may have to be logged without signing.
I completely agree.
I thought that some posters were saying, you don't have to sign the log if you don't feel like it. This didn't make sense to me, as otherwise you could claim a find by being within sight of the container.
I still think that if someone finds a LPC for example and has forgotten a pen, they should make the effort to come back with one, before they can claim the find. I think it's bad form not to sign the log in that situation. That's just lazy geocaching.
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"Physical caches can be logged online as "found" once the physical log has been signed".
So you sign the log, then you can claim a find online. What is the other interpretation of this statement?!
There is no "only" in the statement. The statement was written to prevent cache owners from deleting an online log if the physical logbook has been signed (and to eliminate ALRs).
The statement also does not preclude other situations where the online log may be claimed. As I mentioned above, just because the log is a pulpy mess shouldn't preclude me from logging a smiley online.
I wouldn't have thought there needs to be an "only" in the statement. Surely it's implied? And even without the word, the sentence still reads the same to me.
I agree that you should be able to log a smiley online, even if the cache is a pulpy mess, as this would be an exceptional circumstance.
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Um yes, it clearly DOES state that you have to sign the log!
Um no, it clearly does not.
As you quoted earlier, this is what it states:
"Physical caches can be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed."
As you can see from the other rebuttals to your claim, this statement's meaning does not have universal acceptance. Some interpret it one way, whilst others interpret it another way. Since so many folks interpret it in a way that runs contrary to your interpretation, it clearly is not 'clear'. Is that clear?
In general, when I run across a statement that folks interpret in various ways, I tend to go to the source, to try and discern what they meant by that statement. In this case, the CEO of Groundspeak, his Lackeys, the Reviewers and the forum Moderators, seem to lean more toward Don's interpretation. Though even then, it's not universal. I think Toz probably has the best response to those in your camp, which I hope he will copy/paste for your enlightenment. Gotta warn you, it's a pretty lengthy read.
I'm sorry, but I genuinely can't see how the statement can be interpreted in any other way! I'm not being pedantic or belligerent, but I don't even SEE the other interpretation. I just can't work it out.
"Physical caches can be logged online as "found" once the physical log has been signed".
So you sign the log, then you can claim a find online. What is the other interpretation of this statement?!
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I found this on the Groundspeak Guidelines:
LOGGING Guidelines: Logging Guidelines cover the requirements that must be fulfilled in order to log a find.
"Logging of All Physical Geocaches
Physical caches can be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed.
For physical caches all logging requirements beyond finding the cache and signing the log are considered additional logging requirements (ALRs) and must be optional."
This clearly states that you have to sign the log, or you can't claim the find. For example, if you're in a busy muggle area, or perched precariously up a tree; part of the challenge is to sign the log. If you haven't signed the log, you can't claim the find!
It clearly does NOT state that you have to sign the log. If the statement was "Physical caches can ONLY be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed", then your statement would be true.
When you put the two parts together, it is clear that is is telling you that once you have signed the log, the cache owner can put no further requirements on you in order to log the cache online.
Um yes, it clearly DOES state that you have to sign the log!
It says, "These are the requirements that MUST be fulfilled in order to log a find".
I agree with you about the A.L.R.'s, but it says that those are optional. Therefore, you have to sign the log.
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I found this on the Groundspeak Guidelines:
LOGGING Guidelines: Logging Guidelines cover the requirements that must be fulfilled in order to log a find.
"Logging of All Physical Geocaches
Physical caches can be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed.
For physical caches all logging requirements beyond finding the cache and signing the log are considered additional logging requirements (ALRs) and must be optional."
This clearly states that you have to sign the log, or you can't claim the find. For example, if you're in a busy muggle area, or perched precariously up a tree; part of the challenge is to sign the log. If you haven't signed the log, you can't claim the find!
It clearly does NOT state that you have to sign the log. If the statement was "Physical caches can ONLY be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed", then your statement would be true.
When you put the two parts together, it is clear that is is telling you that once you have signed the log, the cache owner can put no further requirements on you in order to log the cache online.
Um yes, it clearly DOES state that you have to sign the log!
It says, "These are the requirements that MUST be fulfilled in order to log a find".
I agree with you about the A.L.R.'s, but it says that those are optional. Therefore, you have to sign the log.
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I found this on the Groundspeak Guidelines:
LOGGING Guidelines: Logging Guidelines cover the requirements that must be fulfilled in order to log a find.
"Logging of All Physical Geocaches
Physical caches can be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed.
For physical caches all logging requirements beyond finding the cache and signing the log are considered additional logging requirements (ALRs) and must be optional."
This clearly states that you have to sign the log, or you can't claim the find. For example, if you're in a busy muggle area, or perched precariously up a tree; part of the challenge is to sign the log. If you haven't signed the log, you can't claim the find!
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I just cache under my real name, Alex Rea. I do sometimes wish that I had given it some more thought and come up with something clever.
I've got to the point now where I don't want to change names, as people in the area won't know who I was.
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They are separate for the World Cup of Darts, however. Not to mention certain other sports.
For example; football, cricket and rugby. So why can't this be applied to geocaching?
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you can surely manage to split the UK into England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland?
My sentiments exactly. I'd like to see this happen.
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Just curious, but I'm wondering what flag is flown for athletes from Scotland, Wales, England during the Olympics? Or are they one big happy team?
The athletes from those countries compete as Team Great Britain. The flag flown is the Union Jack.
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Geocaching in North Wales
in United Kingdom and Ireland
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Hi everyone,
Some work colleagues and I have set up a website called Extreme North Wales, featuring all sorts of adventure sports.
I have just posted an article about geocaching on Moel Famau, that you can read at:
http://www.extremenorthwales.com/articles/trakking/geocaching-on-moel-famau/
I would love to hear from anyone who has been caching in North Wales, especially if you have some photos and an article to share.
Please e-mail me at alex@extremenorthwales.com
if you would like to see your adventures published online, or if you have any suggestions for content.
Kind regards
Alex