Mudfrog

I feel that I have a pretty good head on my shoulders so believe that I use good judgement on such caches. There have been a few that were up high, 45 feet plus, that I had to give some thought to before attempting. On those, I tried to look at it from all angles,,,, how dangerous, how bad could I get hurt, was I alone, and how long to get real help if needed. In my mind, this is all on me if I decide to go for it and end up getting hurt. At the same time, I have no doubt someone else will try to blame someone else (cache owner/property owner/Groundspeak) if he attempted and something happened to him. This is the society we live in these days. For this reason, I ended up archiving a cache that I placed high in a tree. The 2 or 3 cachers that actually did it really enjoyed the cache but I got to thinking about the consequences if someone did get hurt trying to grab it. It would bother me to no end if something bad happened but there was also that knowing that a lawsuit was certainly possible. To answer the OP's question, I would imagine that, depending on the circumstances, a lawsuit could be brought against each or even all parties involved. The cache mentioned in the OP sounds like one I'd really enjoy so I'd hate to see it go away. However, with the "no trespassing" signs, I would have to log a needs archived if I came across them.

Exactly! Looking at what the cache consists of, I have to wonder what's so important about keeping it going. It'd be best to just let the thing go if its owner doesn't want to mess with it. If someone feels there's a need to have a cache in that location, then they can place one themselves.

Did this come out right or am I just reading it wrong? Could be that I just haven't had my coffee yet.

So you're the one behind this mess! I was wondering where all these dang micros were coming from...

I would find it irksome if someone complained about a DNF that I logged. My DNF means one thing, that I did not find the cache. Doesn't matter if I searched 5 seconds or 5 hours, I looked for and did not find the cache. Being inexperienced makes absolutely no difference either. It wouldn't matter if it was a person's very first try for a cache, a DNF log would be the correct log if that person did not find the cache.

I requested a White Jeep TB when the promotion came out in 2005. To my surprise, I ended up receiving a box full of them. If I remember correctly, the Jeeps, tags, and chains were separate so we had to put them together before setting them loose. Took em to events to hand out and let several of them go in various caches. Didn't keep a single one. I figured I'd see them around for a while but most seemed to disappear pretty quickly. It's been years since I've seen an original.

OP, more people than not these days want easy peasy so don't worry about the negativity you're seeing here about thorns and such. If you like the idea and/or you want the cache to be challenging, then go for it. Just make sure the cactus is in an area that geocaches are allowed and that it's alright for people to come in contact with the cactus. The hole should already be in place (it's not ok to make the hole yourself). Contact the property owner/land manager/city if you have any doubts are questions.

In this case, I figure the pop up box is to warn us that cookies are used and required for website usage. Of course most of us know this so I'm guessing it's for those that don't realize it's already happening. GC is not the only website that this new cookie banner is popping up on. I'm seeing it on other sites that I use as well. Someone mentioned privacy laws and I'm guessing this is because of a new one that was recently enacted. Pushing the accept on forum sites I use all the time is not a problem because I already have cookies enabled anyway to save my password and such.

Hey Snoogans, Long time no see! How's that little Snooglet doing these days? I have the same "lack of mojo" symptoms as you. Still have a few owned caches that I like keeping up with because they've been out so long. Otherwise, i don't really mess with hiding anything new because I know there aren't many cachers that want to find the type caches I like to hide these days. The same goes for finding, no one puts out caches I'm really interested in going after. I have no doubt I'd get the mojo back if there were more like This One!

Keystone, We certainly appreciate the help you give, the time and work you put in, and above all, your patience! Great post,,, however, I'm not sure about this one sentence. You probably have more insight on this so I may be wrong. My thinking is, because phones and apps are the mainstay these days, many, if not most, newcomers never even discover the forums. I think this is a shame because like you said, the forum is a great place to converse, ask questions, and get good complete answers.

I've revisited various caches a few times. This one, Four Cache Loop, is a memorable one that I've had the pleasure of doing 4 or 5 times. The first visit was my find, the future visits were all notes. And because there is a full size logbook, I've always logged and signed it with each visit. The reward for me was meeting the challenge of completing it again and the socializing with new and old caching friends along the way. I suppose a "revisit" reward might help keep things from coming to a stall in cache lean areas. Otherwise, I don't see the point since this is not a problem in most areas.

I do not get on the bandwagon and give favorite points to caches just because everyone else has. For example, I would not give a favorite to a cache simply because it was an old cache placed in 2001. I do give favorites to caches I enjoy finding. This means caches that are hidden in a good location, are creative, and/or are challenging. A good thought out series, not set up as a power trail, sometimes gets a favorite point(s) from me. Needless to say, I have a lot of favorite points left to give since I rarely come across caches with any of these attributes these days.

Not quite understanding. The OP posted the copy of the email to warn everyone that this is probably a scam. After reading the post, a person would have to be goofy, might as well say it, flat out ignorant to then click on the link and/or write to the email.

Can we say "NAIVE"? Well sure, there's a chance you are correct. However, I'd betcha an ammocan it's more like the throwdowner did it because his or her goal is big numbers. In this case, FTFs.

Well try inserting a brand name into a search and see what comes up. I tried a few different searches and only two came up empty. As mentioned, Walmart comes up with 21 results. One search I did was with the word Chevrolet. Similar to the guns here, the Chevrolet search came up with different models of Chevrolets. Pepsi and Coca Cola come up with caches that specifically mention what they're referring to. Not that it's a biggie, I just don't understand the inconsistency.

There's no need to be rude here. If you read it again, my statement included the word "may" in it. No speculation, I simply stated that this "might" be the case here. So let me ask this, with so many active caches already using brand™ names in their titles, what would be a reason you'd not publish with the titles submitted? As you can see by the posts in this thread, people are curious about this and it'd be nice if a real reason were given. Knowing would not only quench some of the curiosity, but could also help the next time one of us wants to place a cache.

Yes, I just looked and it's obvious what the titles are referring to. On this same note though, there are tons of caches with brand names in their titles. As mentioned above, the disallowance here may be politically motivated.

Under the Gun and Springfield can be anything from a popular phrase to a name of a city. I can't understand how they would go against any guideline if they stayed generic in nature. I'll bet there's more to this than what we know.

We started caching in 02 and found some great caches since. Like you, I went back to the ones I enjoyed and ticked them with a favorite. Most of those caches are long gone but you'll still see my favorite point on the archived page.

I can see taking back a favorite point if the person runs out or runs low but I don't understand why a person would take it back when a cache was archived. I give favorites to caches that I enjoyed finding,,, plain and simple. I gave the point when it was fun/challenging/memorable for me and nothing changes that fact. OP,. the people removing them have their reasons but I doubt it's a side game or conspiracy of some kind!

Your bolded goes for any cache. When you get enough microcaches similar, unless you just like upping smiley count,, what's the draw ?

Haven't yet read past your opening post so this may have been mentioned already. Wanted to go ahead and post this before I lost my train of thought. Here again, I sound like a broken record,,, but I blame some (I honestly believe most) of this on the phone app. First off, there's not a whole lot of guidance for new people that download the app. I'm sure there are tutorials but being an app, I imagine most people just download and go without doing any research. For many, it's a game similar to ****mon that they play for a while, grow tired of, then give up. The other issue is that unless the person pays, he or she may never encounter anything but easy traditionals. They find these, maybe place one or a few easy caches of their own, but don't get to experience much anything else. I too have puzzle and challenge caches that rarely get found. I have been thinking about archiving some of my puzzle caches in our local city park and then putting out a night cache to see if I could get some interest going again but I imagine it would be a wasted endeavor. Basing this on the fact that I have a night cache placed now that hasn't been found since May of 2014. Puzzle, challenge, multi, and tough/higher terrain traditional caches hardly ever get found in our area. The app, and of course Groundspeak's condoning of quantity over quality, hasn't been good for our hobby.

On the other hand, some cachers would just stop caching all together if soggy film cans happened to be pretty much all there was. Sounds like you are hooked on the hobby pretty good but I'd estimate that most people coming into the hobby via the app end up getting bored after a few finds and then simply forget about geocaching and move on to the next app. To answer your question,,, Me, I ignore em everyday. I drive within feet of caches all the time and just keep on going.

There was a time when we had some great cache hiders in our area and because most of their caches, of all sizes, were fun, my unfound list for 50 miles pretty much stayed below 10. Just checked and see that there are now 963 traditional caches that I haven't found within 50 miles of me. Out of those, 59 are listed as regular. From past experience, I'm sure many of these are actually small containers. Of the small listings, many are actually micro in size. Not sure why but this "fudging" in size has been happening more often the last several years. Of course the reason there are so many caches on my unfound list is because of my slow down with geocaching which I guess started about 3 or 4 years ago when I grew tired of seeing the same ole micro sized stuff being placed. Guess it's sounding like I just want to bash micros but that is far from the truth. I have found many excellently hidden micros in my travels. My concern here is that there has been too much of the same thing hidden over the years. Doing the math with the query I just ran, 5.6% of the caches are listed as regular in size. Imo, it's going to be hard keeping things interesting for the masses with a percentage that low. There is now an overabundance of micros out there that have no redeeming value, are placed in bad locations, with leaky containers, and hidden all the same, etc,,,. I'm sure this has caused people to ask themselves, am I still having fun? is this still worth my time and money?

My point is that a lot of people are already getting bored enough to slow down and/or totally quit. These people are not going to come across anything because they've already stopped looking. I honestly believe it would help our hobby if there was a reduction in micros and other caches put out mainly for smiley count. I do believe that if people came across caches with more oomph to them, that some of those people would get the buzz and start coming up with good ideas for cache placements of their own.