nmartin
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Why not just take the easy road and work with a local to maintain it with you?
I tried that route, it did not work
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So basically, what i am saying here is that no good deed goes unpunished by the current crop of cache dis-approvers
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It's those pesky facts again. They always seem to get in the way of a good complaint.
Yes those pesky facts...but there are two sides of the story. For the full exchange, look at the cache notes (I did not include private e-mails):
April 12 by Artemis (1 found)
Hello,
Recently we've been experiencing problems with the performance of the reviewer features on the Geocaching.com website. One possible reason for this is the length of the list of caches that are "on hold" for one reason or another. Groundspeak has asked the volunteers to temporarily disable those submissions which have been "on hold" for an extended period of time.
If you wish to proceed with this cache, please enter an "enable this cache" log with comments on the status of your submission. Your page will then be automatically returned to the active review queue.
Thank you
Artemis
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March 26 by Artemis (1 found)
Hello
I received your email.
Starting from the bottom let’s challenge the arguments..."
I am sorry you feel that you must challenge arguments, because there is no argument here. The guidelines clearly state vacation caches will not be allowed.. You live in Oregon, to place a geocache in Arizona I simply require per the guidelines, the name of a geocacher who is a local that will maintain it in your absence.
Thank you
Artemis
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March 25 by nmartin (1078 found)
(4) “Since I noticed you planned to host an event in Oregon in April, it seems obvious you are not going to be in the Arizona area for an extended period?”
The event cache is actually sponsored by SAGA (www.oregonsaga.com), I am a active (founding) member. It is a cache maintenance event to repair and replace caches after local flooding. COME ON, THIS SHOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST ME, IT SHOULD GIVE ME BROWNIE POINTS FOR BEING A GOOD AND CONSIDERATE CACHER BY TAKING CHARGE AND ORGANIZING CACHE MAINTENANCE.
(5) “Looking at some of your past hides I see:
hidden 18 Aug 05 Golden Idol (GCQ6EM) archived 28 Sep 05
hidden 14 Aug 05 Koishi (GCQ560) archived 11 Nov 05
hidden 25 Jun 05 Beaver State (GCPEV6) archived 07 Jul 05”
hidden 18 Aug 05 Golden Idol (GCQ6EM) archived 28 Sep 05, This was a special case. The cache was removed by a local cacher. Another local cacher’s (very respected) daughter was killed in a car wreak on the way to the prom very near this spot last year(I know this sounds like a sob story, but it is real). I had replaced the cache with the “plundered” cache before I was told before I was told that the local cachers wanted to put a memorial cache here. (yes…I replaced a cache when it came up missing…Bad nate, bad nate!!) The cachers who’s daughter died are not ready for us to put in a memorial cache yet, so the "plundered" cache is still there.
hidden 14 Aug 05 Koishi (GCQ560) archived 11 Nov 05. This cache was a small rock in a park. The city clean-up crew found it and being mostly inmates, converted it to a drug stash. The cache was archived by me because of that, and replaced with a mini-micro “fat yellow frog”. Did I not do the right thing here?
hidden 25 Jun 05 Beaver State (GCPEV6) archived 07 Jul 05. Yea, this was a dumb ideal. Put $5 worth of the new Oregon quarters in a altiods box and not expect it to come up missing?
(6) "To list this cache on Groundspeak …well as the final coordinates of the puzzle cache."
The final coord’s are as posted, the puzzle is how to retrive the cache.
“The cache is a medium size plastic jar with a large metal washer on the lid. How will you retrive it?” I would use a magnet, long stick, and some duct tape, but that is just me.
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March 25 by nmartin (1078 found)
Starting from the bottom let’s challenge the arguments:
(1) "Placing Caches on Vacation/Beyond Your Maintainable Distance”
Placing caches on vacation or outside of your normal caching area is unacceptable and these caches may not be approved.
I am not on vacation…this is where I work. I am part of the senior management team (Director of Sales) for the manufacturing plant next door. This is also where I cache as is shown by the finds. Later it is stated that only 9 of the last 250 finds since Oct’05 were in Az (I count 15 including DNF’s). I have a hard time see where this is negative. To me it says that I am active in Az, and I am there frequently.
(2) “It is not uncommon for areas to be cleared, trails to be blocked or closed, objects used for virtual or multi-caches to be moved or removed, etc. You must be able to react to negative cache logs and investigate the location quickly. Please be responsible.”
“So when someone logs that a bullet is inside the container, you will fly back from Oregon to remove it?”
Quickly is a relative term. Most people I know inactivate a cache until they can investigate, even when they live close-by. They then get to it when they can. This is a game, please remember that. I work ½ mile away and I am there several time a month.
(3) “The territory in which a geocacher is able to maintain caches responsibly will vary from one person to the next. An active geocacher who regularly visits areas hundreds of miles apart can demonstrate their ability to maintain a cache 100 miles from home. A geocacher whose previous finds and hides are all within 25 miles of their home would likely not see their cache listed if placed 250 miles away from their home.”
Duh…this is what I am saying
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March 21 by Artemis (1 found)
The reason I am requesting the local cache reviewer aside from the distance to your home is the guideline about cache permanence:
Cache Permanence
When you report a cache on the Geocaching.com web site, geocachers should (and will) expect the cache to be there for a realistic and extended period of time. Therefore, caches that have the goal to move (“traveling caches”), or temporary caches (caches hidden for less than 3 months or for events) may not be approved. If you wish to hide caches for an event, bring printouts to the event and hand them out there.
We realize that it is possible that a planned long-term cache occasionally becomes finite because of concerns with the environment, missing or plundered caches, or the owner’s decision to remove the cache for other valid reasons. Please do your best to research fully, hide wisely, and maintain properly for a long cache life.
Looking at some of your past hides I see:
hidden 18 Aug 05 Golden Idol (GCQ6EM) archived 28 Sep 05
hidden 14 Aug 05 Koishi (GCQ560) archived 11 Nov 05
hidden 25 Jun 05 Beaver State (GCPEV6) archived 07 Jul 05
Thank you
Artemis
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March 21 by Artemis (1 found)
Hello Nate
I received your email:
I take it you did not see that i stated the cache is right behind where i work.
I work for a silicon wafer manufacturer that has it's USA headquarters in Phoenix. and although i live in Oregon, I travel to Phoenix several times each month. Cache maintenance will not be a issue.
Nate
I did see that note and I am still asking that a local cacher be available to assist with maintaining of the cache because every cache you have is in Oregon and you are hosting an event in Oregon next month, this indicates that you will be in Oregon and not Arizona. So when someone logs that a bullet is inside the container, you will fly back from Oregon to remove it?
There are hundreds of cachers in the Phoenix area, I am sure you can get one of them to assist you with maintaining your cache while you are not in the state.
I also noticed your finds of 9 out of the last 250 in Arizona since October 2005.
To list this cache on Groundspeak I am going to need the name of a local cacher who will maintain it for you in your absense as well as the final coordinates of the puzzle cache.
Since January 20th, it has been possible to use the "Additional Waypoints" function to store intermediate/final waypoints in a standardized way -- see (visit link) . Could I please ask you to add your extra waypoints in this way.
Anything that is "secret," like the final location of the cache, can be hidden from view by anyone except you as the cache owner, and site admins/volunteers. Waypoints such as parking coordinates can be viewed by anyone.
Thank you
Artemis
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March 21 by Artemis (1 found)
Hi. I am the volunteer cache reviewer for Arizona. I am reviewing your Reach for the cache, Macgyver! Reborn submission.
According to your profile, you live approximately 970 miles from this cache location. Although the site at one time listed caches outside of a hider's area, it no longer does so after cache maintenance concerns arose. The guidelines for listing state:
"Placing Caches on Vacation/Beyond Your Maintainable Distance
Placing caches on vacation or outside of your normal caching area is unacceptable and these caches may not be approved. As the cache owner you are obligated to be in a position to manage your caches, and caches placed on vacation require someone else to maintain them for you. It is not uncommon for areas to be cleared, trails to be blocked or closed, objects used for virtual or multi-caches to be moved or removed, etc. You must be able to react to negative cache logs and investigate the location quickly. Please be responsible. This guideline applies to all types of caches including virtual caches.
The territory in which a geocacher is able to maintain caches responsibly will vary from one person to the next. An active geocacher who regularly visits areas hundreds of miles apart can demonstrate their ability to maintain a cache 100 miles from home. A geocacher whose previous finds and hides are all within 25 miles of their home would likely not see their cache listed if placed 250 miles away from their home.
If you have special circumstances, please describe these on your cache page or in a note to the approver. For example, if you have made arrangements with a local geocacher to watch over your distant cache for you, that geocacher’s name should be mentioned on your cache page."
Because of your distance from the cache area, I am putting this cache on hold. Please email me and let me know if you have made arrangements for this cache to be maintained by a local geocacher.
Since I noticed you planned to host an event in Oregon in April, it seems obvious you are not going to be in the Arizona area for an extended period?
Thank you
Artemis
NOTE: Please do not log any travel bugs in an unlisted cache. Travel Bugs dropped in unlisted caches can give away your cache location before it is listed. Simply drop the TB into the cache after listing has been done.
NOTE: do not reply by leaving a note on this cache. I am not notified if a note is posted to this cache. If you wish to respond to this message from the geocaching.com mail bot. Go to your cache page and e-mail Artemis from the log there or email me directly at Artemis.approver@gmail.com, referencing the cache URL's, or GCxxxx number.
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March 20 by nmartin (1078 found)
Left a few personal coins here (including a new one never before left in a cache) and a couple of coin replicants.
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March 20 by nmartin (1078 found)
I refound this cache about a month ago behind where i work. The last find prior to me was 1.5yrs ago. The cache was in good condition although archived. I restocked, and the cache is ready for a new life. The origional owner is no longer active in geocaching.
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Looks like this has started to decline I see
or maybe not, just this weekend I know of over 50 coins placed in caches (and by many different cachers). GoJaybee just got the ball rolling...many others are keeping it moving.
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Short story:
Reviewers review and publish caches. Seekers assume all risks of seeking Owners all risks of owning. Groundspeak does not assume those risks (and they shouldn't) so reviewers should not make that judgment. There are times when a cache listing needs to be archived. Dire emergency and land owner request being one of them.
To get back to the origional issue...I could not disagree with Renegade Knight more right now It used to be very simple getting caches approved during the time that he was refering to. Now, "cache dis-approvers" is a more accurate label. The last four caches i tried to get approved, all were a exercise in patience and persistence (one that is right behind my office is still in the approval que and i cannot get approved because it is not "local" to me...). By putting such strict review process in place, Groundspeak has defacto assumed control and risk wither their legalese admits it or not.
To you Groundspeak types and approvers...please remember this is only a game. Try not to alienate the players.
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The Sumatra Elephant which lives in Sumatra / Indonesia is threatened with extinction. Only app. 700 animals exist worldwide. Reason for the threatening of this nice animal is the strong cutback of the forest in this region.
So we decided to make a Geocoin to help this animal to survive. For each sold Geocoin, 1€ will be sent to WWF to save the Sumatra Elephant.
This is the design:
Data:
- GC-Trackable with its own Icon:
- Coins made (500 pieces):
- Nickel: 245 coins 5,20 € (incl 1€ donation to WWF)
- Antique Silver: 150 coins 5,40 € (incl 1€ donation to WWF)
- Black Nickel: 50 coins (max 1 coin / team) 7,00 € (incl 1€ donation to WWF)
- Antique Gold: 50 coins (max 1 coin / team) 7,00 € (incl 1€ donation to WWF)
- Two Tone (Nickel / Gold): 5 coins (auction on Ebay and the full amount will be donated to WWF)
- Shipping cost can be calculated at the website
Because of being a Charity Geocoin, we will first order this coin when there are enough orders for this coin.
Here you can pre-order this Geocoin
I don't get it...how or why is this a geocoin?
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You can reserve the coin here.
If you have any comments or questions please contact USA Geocoins via the website.
Thanks
I don't get it?
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Log it and drop it off at another cache.
Well, maybe.
It depends on the coin, if it is trackable, and does it have a mission. There are quite a few coins that are not trackable, and in general they are considered geoswag unless noted otherwise by the person who left it in the cache. Even if the coin is not trackable, you can always move it to another cache.
Trackable coins can be geoswag if unactivated or the tracking page notes such. A trackable coin is most likely on a mission and should be helped along
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e-mail with address sent
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Lame
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All of the above thread is good, and somewhat entertaining. But...where do we go from here?
Because this is a somewhat loose group, anyone can make what they want, call it what they want, and offer it for trade or sale. We need to be educated enought to recoginize the s*** from shinola.
If someone wants to make a signature item to put in a cache, does it matter how many finds they have? It is still a neat trade item as it represents that person. If someone wants to make a signature item to sell, why are you buying it?
As for the moral high ground, if you are putting coins in caches. That is good. If you are providing entertainment in the forums to us unwashed masses...well that is also good, but not as good as.
kealia, for consistently providing entertainment (and a voice of reason) expect something in the mail soon that will not be found anywhere else but in a cache.
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Would it not be better to ask: if the coin (series) has never been in a cache, is it still a geocoin?
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email sent, i'm in
If I do the happy mutant coin i'll want tracking. I already assumed that the naked bushwacking coin would not pass muster for tracking with GC.com
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Per the usageocoins website
"(Currently all coins have been reserved)
Expected delivery is mid March
(subject to change)"
Does anyone else feel angry that a commericial site handled this popular coin only via invitation only pre-sales
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need 5 to go with my screws
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Why not make a urethane casting of the coin?
Get a casting kit such as Silicone SuperSampler™ from smooth-on (http://www.smooth-on.com/Getting%20Started.asp). Make a casting of the side with the tracking number, and release that into the wild. If it comes up missing, just make a new copy.
Also with a casting, you can embed things, such as super-magnets....
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Looking for someone to release my 3 coins for part one.
Georgia Stone Mt.
USA 05
European Union
Also looking for 3 someones to give my spawner coins to for part 2.
(In keeping with the spirit of the experiment to spread the coins
around - I'd like to choose someone who hasn't already received
several spawner coins.)
spawners - 3 Windrose coins
Windrose
Going out to nmartin:
Spawner coins:
1 Windrose to Bambiythumper
1 Canada (& 1 Windrose) to KiwiKat (pending acceptance)
1 Windrose to Flyin V
Windrose
Edited to show final trade.
The EU and USA coins from Windrose were placed in caches today. The GA coin will have to wait a week (getting too involved in the distributation of the Geolite69 Pink Lord coin this week)
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I'll take a evil chicken...tastes like, well, chicken
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Mine are primarily for caches, with a very small number for trades
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I find Delivery Confirmation to be very unreliable. On the receiving end; one package to me arrived two weeks after it was confirmed delivered to me, and I am currently awaiting geotiki's that show delivery confirmation of 12/23.
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email sent
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Scott:
Sorry for diss'n you earlier. The coins are appearing in caches, with two sitting in a cache right now in salem. Thanks.
Watch my monitor cache in the future (2-3 weeks out)....he he he.
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5 coins please
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One reason I am minting this coin is for placement in caches, and I don't wanna get "wiped out" right off the bat.....
BTW 250 will be made of this run, and limit one coin per cacher/address.
Now that the feeding frenzy has begun, I wonder if any will make it to caches
Travel Bug/cache Linked Together
in Trackables
Posted
"The key to the nutira" was set up that way, only as a code to find the cache. Had a note on the travel bug not to leave in the cache. My fossil cache require finding one of five TB's.