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In some other places, there is a much more proactive effort to deal with this issue by those at the center of their communities. There is active policing of abandoned caches by the community -- with those caches that are determined to be abandoned either being archived or adopted by members of the community. When caches are archived, there are cleanup groups that go out to each archived site to make sure that no geo-litter remains.
Perhaps formalizing such a thing in our community (at least for ABDSP) would help in achieving a better working relationship with TPTB in the Park. If they had confidence that, when problem came up, they could just call us and it would be taken care of promptly, they might be less interested in dealing with it themselves. (After all, as somone pointed out earlier, they probably do have better things to do than to spend time and money cleaning up geocaches...)
Good comments!
I think making a proactive community effort to retrieve our caches from ABDSP is a very constructive suggestion. Clearly, it will take some time to get agreements in place regarding geocaching in the park. In the meantime, we can make a very positive statement about the geocaching community by complying with the current policy in an organized manner.
It will take some time for cache owners to find time to collect their caches. A better approach to removing them might be to form teams who collect each and every cache in a selected area. Volunteer teams could pick a section of the park and go out and pick up or verify the removal of all caches in that area. As they are archived, the caches will drop off the maps and progress can be verified. An added benefit of this approach is that it reduces the traffic in any sensitive areas we may not know about.
As for the caches collected, we could hold them in some centralized area for return or disposition after contacting the owner. This may also be the best way to preserve logs and travel bugs. Might even be a good excuse for a Pick-Up-Your-Cache event!
This might be a good forum to organize the volunteer groups, similar to our SD Cache Event Teams.
What say the community?
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Have you checked Mapsource?
I don't have it.
There is a good scalable map of ABDSP in PDF format here.
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...We were also told that we have no way of knowing if an area is considered sensitive or historical because we are not experts in this field. That such an area does not have to be marked....
The reality is you are not supposed to know. The general idea is that by not telling anyone vandals, treasure seekers etc. won't know either. The accepted side effect is that regular Joe's will recreate in and among such sites*. When that isn't acceptable then they will be marked or a ranger (or park equivilent) will talk to you directly.
It's also a fact that most all the park staff are not trained professionals either. Plus training in one area of specialization does not translate into the others. Someone trained in archaeology isn't trained in Historical Architecture and in turn they are not Experts in Wetlands, who in Turn are not Trained in Wildlife. Even the experts rely on experts. At best any one park staffer may be a generalist who knows the gist of things. They may be an expert (assuming the park has enough of a protected resource to justify an expert) in one thing and a generalist in others.
* The reason we trample these sites all the time..especially the archeological ones is that our ancestors lived, worked, and played in the same areas as we do now. Rivers, Fertile Agricultural areas, significant natural landmarks.
This all said the BLM approach is much more in line with the spirit and intent of the laws that keep these resources protected. They say nothing about them and allow caching as a casual use of the land. If there is a specific cache in a spot of conern they will contact that cache owner directly. The owner once aware will archive the cache and everthing is kept hush hush. The secret is preserved, caching goes on, everbody is happy.
I think you've hit it on the head. The park is a complex environment. Even among park rangers, there is diversity in how they view their jobs and in their beliefs on the role the public plays in their stewardship of the park. I am a bit surprised that there wasn't an opportunity for public or private discussion prior to the superintendent issuing this policy. It might have occurred and I just didn't hear about it.
As for caches being litter -- we do not litter. Just the opposite, in fact. I pick up trash I find in the desert every trip I make and I know a lot of others who do that as well. The section of Hwy 78 we adopted is, in my opinion, the cleanest in the park. Geocaching has increased my love and respect for our local mountains, deserts, and coasts and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that. Is there a 10% factor in our community who aren't conscientious? Maybe, but I think as a group geocachers are very active in supporting the preservation of our environment with our votes, our volunteer work, and our contributions.
It would appear that the regulation is a done deal, so it seems that the right thing to do would be for cache owners to go pick up their caches. We put them there and we should pick them up. The containers are no big loss, but the logs, coins, and TBs should be preserved. If anyone is going to a particular area, it would be a courtesy to contact other owners of caches in that area to see if they would like some help retrieving their caches. I go out to that area frequently, and would be happy to help cache owners.
A few photos of the area around your caches might come in handy later. We will need to work with the park officials to increase their understanding of this game we, and our families, all enjoy so much. I suggest we pick up our caches, take a deep breath, and then work out a plan to approach the park officials. From their policy, it appears that we would benefit from a better understanding of their concerns and, in return, we can provide them a better understanding of our sport of geocaching. Geocachers and regulatory agencies at other parks and preserve areas have come to a mutually beneficial agreement at the local and state levels. We can do that as well. In the meantime, BLM policies support responsible multi-use of land under their jurisdiction, including geocaching. There is a lot of BLM country out there ...
All things change.
Happy New Year!
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This was posted in the log of a cache on my watch list. As far as I know, this is a new policy. Does anybody know the background on this?
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December 26
This cache has been removed. See below. By order of the:
Superintendent
Anza-Borrego Desert State Park
Colorado Desert District
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
Numerous geocaches have been placed within the Anza-Borrego Desert State Park without authorization. No consideration was given to resource sensitivity in the placement of any of these geocaches, and many have been discovered in very sensitive locales. Caches have been removed from archeological sites, paleontological areas, bighorn sheep watering sites and in sensitive caves.
All physical geocaches placed within Anza-Borrego Desert State Park must be removed. If the cache owner does not take responsibility for removing his/her own cache, it will be removed for them and it will not be returned.
As of this date, December 21, 2007, placement of new physical caches will be prohibited in Anza-Borrego Desert State Park. Virtual Earth Caches will be considered on a case by case basis and must be approved before being published on the Geocaching.com website.
Contact information for Earth cache approval:
Mark C. Jorgensen
Superintendent
Anza-Borrego Desert State Park
200 Palm Canyon Drive
Borrego Springs, CA 92004
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CALLING ALL 4X4'S COME OUT AND GET 'SQUEEZED' WITH US
GC17Z5A
FLAGMAN, HABU!, TEAM FATMAN, & THE SPLASHES ON BOARD SO FAR.....................
THIS WILL BE GREAT FUN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A 4X4, HITCH A RIDE WITH SOMEBODY!
THE SPLASHES
And just what would be the time and date for this to happen.???
Would a Baja Bug make it.
Maybe we can get FATTBOY to ride with Team Fatman.
Skillet.............Look up the above wpt: GC17Z5A.............all the info. is there
Look up the cache we mentioned on the page for pictures, etc. and you decide if the Baja Bug can make it!
It seems to go everywhere else out there w/o any problems!
If you don't think it will, you can always drive out to where the squeeze is and watch everyone go down!
The Splashes
Here is the link to GC17Z5A I thought it was a Cache not an EVENT sorry.
I'm about 2.5" too wide for the squeeze but I'll try to join you to haul out some of the mirrors and door handles (kind of a CITO event?)
Dear Harmon,
I'm a bit concerned. Are you feeling OK? I know that you're very busy with geocaching and Christmas and all, but I fed you a wonderful straight line and you let it pass. The line was "I'm about 2.5" too wide for the squeeze but ...". A good vaudevillian's response would have run something like {rimshot from drummer} "But how wide is your truck?" {pause for laugh}
We all count on you for your gentle humor in these forums. When you pass up a classic straight line, we begin to worry a little, you know, while waiting for the other shoe to drop. That can put a damper on our Christmas spirit. So please, for our sake, pay close attention to our posts.
Thank you,
M2
Happy Holidays to you Harmon and to all the great San Diego Geocachers!!!
Thanks for the campouts, cleanups, and challenges, and for all the opportunities to explore our great coasts, mountains, and deserts. We are a very lucky group!
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CALLING ALL 4X4'S COME OUT AND GET 'SQUEEZED' WITH US
GC17Z5A
FLAGMAN, HABU!, TEAM FATMAN, & THE SPLASHES ON BOARD SO FAR.....................
THIS WILL BE GREAT FUN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A 4X4, HITCH A RIDE WITH SOMEBODY!
THE SPLASHES
And just what would be the time and date for this to happen.???
Would a Baja Bug make it.
Maybe we can get FATTBOY to ride with Team Fatman.
Skillet.............Look up the above wpt: GC17Z5A.............all the info. is there
Look up the cache we mentioned on the page for pictures, etc. and you decide if the Baja Bug can make it!
It seems to go everywhere else out there w/o any problems!
If you don't think it will, you can always drive out to where the squeeze is and watch everyone go down!
The Splashes
Here is the link to GC17Z5A I thought it was a Cache not an EVENT sorry.
I'm about 2.5" too wide for the squeeze but I'll try to join you to haul out some of the mirrors and door handles (kind of a CITO event?)
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So I'm thinking about a Geocachers monthly-pinup screensaver. For example.
Splashette - December 2007
Featuring a male or female Geocacher whether person or pet and selected from photos found
on the "San Diego Banter" or "*** This Just In ***" Threads.
Male or female impersonators? Sure, why not.
Waddaya think?
Why, I think that is a splendid idea! Always looking for good raw material
We could even have a Photoshop "shootout" with the best ones ....
Seriously, it is a good idea. I'm all for it. I'll contribute (just not my own photo). Didn't I read something about a ladies garden club in England making a lot of money by posing for a calendar?
Very nice rendition of Splashette by the way ...
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Anyone have any plans or interest in an hike next Friday, after Thanksgiving to work off the triptofan and stuffing? Most anywhere, any length, any difficulty would be good with me.
---My first thought for something to do is The Domelands out off the S2 in the morning on Friday and then a drive through Canyon Sin Nombre and up to the Mudcaves area to do the DAK Girls "Tomb Raider" puzzle cache. Then I may camp the night out there and do some other caches out and around the S2 or over at the Superstition Mountains, closer to El Centro. {depending on how crowded it is}---
Sounds great! But, I have been wanting to do the Trestle caches for a while. I have already grabbed the mud caves and Tomb Raider, but I noticed that you haven't done Dos Hombres "The worlds longest curved trestle"
So how does it sound going out and doing this cache along with some of the other ones along the way. I was thinking about coming in from the east and grabbing these couple caches along the way.
Hows that sound?
I am trying to get ThePolarBear to come out with me as well, but I think it would be great to head out there on Friday.
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Yes, those were some of the caches I was thinking of doing Saturday morning after camping overnight. To flesh the plan out a little:
Do the Domelands and Tomb Raider as the main areas of interest on Friday, camp in Indian Forks Friday night, get up early on Saturday and do the Trestle cache and others on that side of the S2 that I haven't done. Also I need to go back to the Carrizo Gorge GI cache, I DNF'd that one and want to try again. I would be camping near my cache Indian Forks Terminus Right more than likely. If anyone knows the fees rules for ABSP, is there a fee for camping out there and/or is it even allowed? I will Email them and get up to date info this week.
I do need to be back somewhat early on Saturday to San Diego, as I work that night {say 4 PM'ish}
So, maybe if you are willing to go out on Saturday, instead of Friday for the Trestle Cache? Or if you are in for all of it, that would be great too, I would like to get out to the Trestle Cache also. My plans aren't definite yet, but I will be out there on both of those days doing something.
ABDSP allows backcountry camping anywhere in the park with no fee. You can also camp at the primitive campgrounds with no fee. Some of the improved campgrounds with hookups have fees and may require reservations. For open camping, you're required to have a metal container for your fire and to bring your own firewood. List of campgrounds here.
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Which cartoon is that? I honestly have no clue....
Patrick Star from SpongeBob SquarePants, yes?
C'mon Pat, keep up with us old guys.
You have an unfair advantage of having grandkids that watch those. I haven't watched cartoons with my own kids since the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle days.
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea? SpongeBob SquarePants? What's up with that?
Remember Sky King? My Friend Flicka? Roy Rogers? Lone Ranger? Soupy Sales?
And let's not forget Hopalong Cassidy!!! *sigh* I need another swig from the jug of Geritol ...
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I was under the impression that you could camp anywhere on BLM land for free? Of course as long as you are within the distance from a main road and in a fairly open, non-vegetated area? Am I mistaken in this, I was planning on just pulling off the side of the trail on the nights I was going to camp and just dry-camp out there.
That's what the website says you can do. We're still pondering that option.
Two of us in the my group are getting a bug that's going around at work. Looks like we're going to drop Pushawalla to keep everyone healthy.
I will call in the morning tomorrow to BLM, if I remember, and get the scoop from them. I don't mind paying for a camp, but just kinda prefer to rough-it. Also looks like I might join you guys on Sunday night in the Wiley area at the north end for the drive on Bradshaw Trail Monday morning, then I will camp Monday night somewhere near the south end and do the other caches I have planned on Tuesday. We should be getting there on Sunday night shortly after nightfall.
With the Pushawalla out and camping an issue, my group is meeting tomorrow to finalize our plans.
I called BLM this morning and they stated that as long as you are camping within a short distance of a designated trail there is no fee for staying overnight. This is for dry-camping in a non improved campsite, so if this Wiley Road place is an official campsite, that is probably why there are fees, or it is not BLM land. She stated that they manage the majority of the lands up that way, but not all of it.
So I will be up there Sunday night and camp somewhere off the trail.
I spoke with a camp host and got some info the BLM lands at the eastern end of the Bradshaw Trail this last weekend. For future reference, Coon Hollow and Wiley's Well campgrounds are both within one of the BLM's Long Term Visitor Areas (i.e., snowbird RV roosts). The LTVA near the eastern end of the Bradshaw Trail is marked by signs and actually encompasses both campgrounds and the area between them along Wiley's Well Road. Both campgrounds have well water (marked non-potable and "not healthful for long term use" due to higher than permissible chloride and flouride levels) that is handy for washing and camp showers, etc. Both have very clean vault toilets, shade ramadas, fire rings, tables, and BBQ stands. Overall, I was impressed with the cleanliness of the camps and the surrounding desert. The LTVA stretches along both sides of Wiley's Well road from about 6 miles south of I-10 down to past Coon Hollow Campground. Outside of the LTVA, the land in that area is designated Limited Use (meaning you should keep vehicles on roads, trails, and washes) and primitive camping is allowed within 300' of the trail for up to 14 days, as long as you don't squish anything of any possible interest to anyone. The open camping rule doesn't apply to designated wilderness areas. I'm still unclear about camping along designated 4WD trails within the wilderness areas. The cost for a Short Term Visitor Permit for Coon Hollow and Wiley's Wells is currently $40 for two weeks or any part thereof. The cost for a long Long Term Permit is $140 for September 15 - April 15. For the short term permit, one day will cost you the same as three weeks. Not a great deal for short term, but for two or more nights it is cheaper than most state park campgrounds. You can move around between the LTVAs on the same permit. There didn't seem to be anyone interested in collecting fees at Coon Hollow but Wiley's Wells has a resident "host". Outside of the LTVA, you can collect downed native firewood but you can't collect or possess it within the LTVAs. Other than that, you can run green sticker vehicles on trails and washes, shoot firearms, collect rocks, dig for geodes, collect rocks and minerals, etc. Great scenery, lots of trails, and a great place to roam.
The Bradshaw Trail itself is awesome and a great drive. The road is graded all the way and you can travel most of it at about 30 mph except in a few areas and the very sandy patches in a couple of the washes. Shouldn't be a problem for high-clearance 2WD but 4WD is specified. Having a 4WD along with you should be good enough. The sandy patches are pretty short. I did the entire trail in 2WD (aired down). I'll be going back
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I'll be traveling Bradshaw Trail east to west on Sunday (or Monday?) starting from Wiley's Well Road. Maybe we'll get to meet for a geocachers rendezvous ...
Are you doing it as a day trip or stay overnight?
I'll be camping at Coon Hollow (N33 26.876, W 114 54.072), near the intersection of Wiley's Well Road and the Bradshaw Trail from Friday through Sunday morning. On Sunday morning, I'll be heading back to San Diego via the Bradshaw Trail. Some kind folks are going to show me how be a "rock hound" this weekend out in the Hauser Geode beds and nearby areas. I'm down to only 25 hobbies right now and really need a new hobby to fill my spare time ...
What is the rate to camp there? The lady at the BLM office told me today the rate at Wiley's went way up. She steared us to Corn Springs Campground. I have to call them back tomorrow so I'm going to verify the rates?
I heard that the fee for Coon Hollow and Wiley's Well campgrounds is $40/week or portion thereof. Not great but not too bad compared to the $26/day fee in most state campgrounds. From what I can tell, BLM doubled it this year. I think you can also primitive camp within 600' of the trails in that area. Still checking it out myself. That area appears to be popular with the snowbird RVs.
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I'll be traveling Bradshaw Trail east to west on Sunday (or Monday?) starting from Wiley's Well Road. Maybe we'll get to meet for a geocachers rendezvous ...
Are you doing it as a day trip or stay overnight?
I'll be camping at Coon Hollow (N33 26.876, W 114 54.072), near the intersection of Wiley's Well Road and the Bradshaw Trail from Friday through Sunday morning. On Sunday morning, I'll be heading back to San Diego via the Bradshaw Trail. Some kind folks are going to show me how be a "rock hound" this weekend out in the Hauser Geode beds and nearby areas. I'm down to only 25 hobbies right now and really need a new hobby to fill my spare time ...
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Sorry if I gave the wrong impression on the dates. Here how it's shaping up.
Pushawalla Trail on 11th. Recommended Parking (due to vandalism) is the Visitor Center which opens at 8am - Starting then should give those of us coming up from San Diego plenty of time to get there. Lunch/Caching - Work our way over to the campgrounds.
Bradshaw Trail on the 12th - If we're camped at Wiley's - We can start around 7:30am after breakfast.
Any thought??
My work seems a little unpredictable right now for the weekend. It appears that I have to be there Sunday which is right in the middle of multiple 4x4 adventures! Why! Anyway, I hope everyone has a great time. I will have to do these runs and hikes another day.
I'm sure we'll cross pathes back in our own stomping grounds back in San Diego.
I'll be traveling Bradshaw Trail east to west on Sunday (or Monday?) starting from Wiley's Well Road. Maybe we'll get to meet for a geocachers rendezvous ...
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Sorry to hear about the loss of your dad, Harmon.
Ninety-four and an exciting life all the way.
Thanks very much Pat,
Harmon
94 is a respectable number of years. My condolences on his passing -- it certainly sounds like he was an interesting man, to say the least. The ultimate truth in life is that in the end, nobody survives it. Living it while you're alive is the secret to happiness. You'll never see "I wish I'd spent more time at work" engraved on a tombstone
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This in from a couple of weeks ago ....
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Sandy paddling eastern arm of Lake Britton. Put in is at Dusty Campground.
Geocache there is named "Stand by Me (The Sequel)" from the movie of the
same name.
Sorry, I couldn't resist sharing this shot. First time I've been able to browse
my shots since we returned home.
Harmon warned us about Bigfoot being seen in the area but didn't mention the other scary creatures in the woods. Beautiful area -- next time let's talk Harmon into making his vacation a geocaching event and we'll all join him at the cabin!
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Someday I'll make it there too.....This was showing tonight ....
I swear - no Harmon Photoshop lessons involved!
"Making it there" reminds me of a song!
Does anyone remember this one:
Rolling Stone
Wanna see my picture on the cover
Rolling Stone
Wanna buy five copies for my mother
Rolling Stone
Wanna see my smilin' face
On the cover of the Rolling Stone
For bonus points name the group....
Why I do believe that was "Cover of Rolling Stone" by Dr Hook & the Medicine Show (can anyone name the album? It was their second)
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We know some have heard that Cat (the real talent on our team) has done an original oil painting of a famous (or infamous) local geocaching icon for the Ocotillo Raffle. The identity of the subject will be revealed as the painting is won at the Ocotillo Campout. Although we fear there may be some speculation (Harmon, M2, Trailgator, Flagman, et al), we could not resist posting a picture of the work in progress.
Original Oil Painting of San Diego Geocaching Icon
Harmon is deep in the woods teaching Bigfoot some Photoshop techniques, so he asked me to post this for him. I had nothing to do with this .... cross my heart and hope to die (and I probably will).
Fine Art
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Speaking of banner images. Did anyone notice that SlabyFam made the front page. Congrats guys.
I think they may have accidentally picked the wrong picture from the log though:
No offense Tim.
How this then? (From several months ago...)
This was showing tonight ....
I swear - no Harmon Photoshop lessons involved!
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We know some have heard that Cat (the real talent on our team) has done an original oil painting of a famous (or infamous) local geocaching icon for the Ocotillo Raffle. The identity of the subject will be revealed as the painting is won at the Ocotillo Campout. Although we fear there may be some speculation (Harmon, M2, Trailgator, Flagman, et al), we could not resist posting a picture of the work in progress. 
Original Oil Painting of San Diego Geocaching Icon
Geocaching icons come in many forms ...
I suspect we'd better move this over to the ***This Just In*** thread before we get yelled at
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Hey, maybe the Unbunched Sock Police can expand their skill set!
Are we going to have an underwear party around the fire or something?
I went to the website. I see that you can order boxers but I didn't see the thongWe now have our 'official' campout logo on t-shirts, cups, thongs...etc....thanks to Caching Widow whogenerously used her talents to design it for us!! Go to the campout page.....GC15J5X and click on the
CafePress link and shop away!! There is one rule however..........anybody that purchases the 'thong' will be required to model it at the campfire!
I can see Fattboy being the first one at the campfire...
Now, y'all don't get yer boxers in bunch, ya' hear!
Option on CafePress: "Size up for a looser fit"
Don't even think about it! The Unbunched Thong Police are known to be a lot less forgiving than the sock squad (and can you blame them?).
I can't imagine "enhancing" Team Adelos with an unbunched thong
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Out running an errand today and thought I'd pick up a local cache or two while I was out. I was walking down the trail in my normal attire when I was approached by someone who flashed a badge at me. I was able to get a photo of it.
Being a good citizen of the geocaching community, I was polite and respectful toward authority and got off with only a warning this time. It probably helped a lot when I told him about Harmon's work increasing public awareness of sock crimes.
That's one our finest sock-police officers you encountered, Sgt. Argyle.
Sgt. Argyle came on the force last year and, since, we've seen a 30%
decrease in highwater socks along local trails. Sgt. Argyle coined the
term that's become the sock-police motto "Bunched or Busted."
Sergeant Argyle! That was indeed his name! I was a bit nervous at first when he introduced himself. After assuring him that I wasn't a sock scofflaw, he seemed to relax and we talked a bit. He did mention that he had a photo of a geocacher named "fisnjack" on the wall at the station -- I said I've never met the fellow personally but would keep an eye out for him. After swearing that I would never even consider committing the capital sock crime of thigh-high toe-socks, he let me go on my way. Nice fellow and obviously committed to upholding sartorial standards. He gave me this booklet as part of his community outreach program.
Please tell me my sock were doctored in the picture.. I don't ever wear them like that..
Doctored? Never! Enhanced, maybe ...
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Out running an errand today and thought I'd pick up a local cache or two while I was out. I was walking down the trail in my normal attire when I was approached by someone who flashed a badge at me. I was able to get a photo of it.
Being a good citizen of the geocaching community, I was polite and respectful toward authority and got off with only a warning this time. It probably helped a lot when I told him about Harmon's work increasing public awareness of sock crimes.
That's one our finest sock-police officers you encountered, Sgt. Argyle.
Sgt. Argyle came on the force last year and, since, we've seen a 30%
decrease in highwater socks along local trails. Sgt. Argyle coined the
term that's become the sock-police motto "Bunched or Busted."
Sergeant Argyle! That was indeed his name! I was a bit nervous at first when he introduced himself. After assuring him that I wasn't a sock scofflaw, he seemed to relax and we talked a bit. He did mention that he had a photo of a geocacher named "fisnjack" on the wall at the station -- I said I've never met the fellow personally but would keep an eye out for him. After swearing that I would never even consider committing the capital sock crime of thigh-high toe-socks, he let me go on my way. Nice fellow and obviously committed to upholding sartorial standards. He gave me this booklet as part of his community outreach program.
Somebody's got to do a Yrium card for this one...
By th' way ... notice how it was a couple of th' perp's that started pilin' on.
Isn't it interesting that Lost Guy and Team Adelos haven't protested their sock bunch violation? It took me a while to get them that high
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Out running an errand today and thought I'd pick up a local cache or two while I was out. I was walking down the trail in my normal attire when I was approached by someone who flashed a badge at me. I was able to get a photo of it.
Being a good citizen of the geocaching community, I was polite and respectful toward authority and got off with only a warning this time. It probably helped a lot when I told him about Harmon's work increasing public awareness of sock crimes.
That's one our finest sock-police officers you encountered, Sgt. Argyle.
Sgt. Argyle came on the force last year and, since, we've seen a 30%
decrease in highwater socks along local trails. Sgt. Argyle coined the
term that's become the sock-police motto "Bunched or Busted."
Sergeant Argyle! That was indeed his name! I was a bit nervous at first when he introduced himself. After assuring him that I wasn't a sock scofflaw, he seemed to relax and we talked a bit. He did mention that he had a photo of a geocacher named "fisnjack" on the wall at the station -- I said I've never met the fellow personally but would keep an eye out for him. After swearing that I would never even consider committing the capital sock crime of thigh-high toe-socks, he let me go on my way. Nice fellow and obviously committed to upholding sartorial standards. He gave me this booklet as part of his community outreach program.
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A few summers ago I did an offroading trip in Colorado. It was an amazing trip with beautiful scenery, fairly difficult trails, but unfortunately, very few caches.
Well I'd like to make a return trip to this area and am happy to report many more caches. (Thanks in part to Rocket Man)
I'd like to see how much interest there is amongst any San Diegans to make the trip out to this incredible state. I'd hope to go in early August 2008. If you go too early in the summer some of the mountain passes are still impassable due to snow.
Dave
Hard to say what work will be doing this far in advance, but count me in. This is the kind of camping I most enjoy.
CALLING ALL 4X4'S 
You have an unfair advantage of having grandkids that watch those. I haven't watched cartoons with my own kids since the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle days.
Physical geocaches prohibited in ABDSP?
in West and Southwest
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Home Depot sells galvanized tin wash tubs in various sizes that work great as fire containers. The middle size fits nicely inside a garbage bag and is convenient to haul around in a car/truck/jeep. I poked some holes around the bottom edge to get some ventilation and increase the "cheery fire" factor. Works great and I think it cost me about $15 if I remember correctly. In the morning, I put the tub and ashes back into the plastic bag and there is nothing left to indicate a fire was ever there ... except maybe the faint odor of burned marshmallows.