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  1. 51 minutes ago, Alfouine said:

    All this discussion for this, it was the Caverspencer's reply and unfortunately with two or three disrespectful words, nothing againt someone, but against waymarkers in general.

    The moderator could put in bracket direspectful words and leave the post, as it exists in other forum, but he decided to delete all the post :(, as if he had not wanted to understand the interest of this discussion

    It was our last change to convice Outspoken1 to change her mind, with the real point of view of Caverspencer about the category he created.

    I am very very disappointed....

    The truth hurts so they decided to remove it.    

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  2. On 1/5/2018 at 5:23 PM, Outspoken1 said:

    Hello everyone. I have been very busy the past couple of years with deep personal changes in my life and other than reviewing Waymarks, not really posting or viewing the Forums. Alfouine brought this discussion to my attention today. Alfouine and I have been going over this issue in Figurative for the past year. I will again clarify.

    I was an Officer in Figurative with Caverspencer as the leader many years ago (all of this occurred in the old forums which I tried to find the discussion about 8-10 months ago and the postings are lost. However, I was there and relating the story. Others included BruceS, SilverQuill and Blue Quasar) Caverspenser was not allowing Silhouette-style sculptures in Figurative and he made the clarification that sculptures for Figurative needed to be subtractive (as in removal of clay from the original form before casting) instead of additive (as in welding things to make the sculpture) and needed to be 3D (not flat). So I proposed and (with the help of others) created the Silhouette category in 2010. Caverspenser later gave me the leadership of the Figurative category and I am adhering to the original rules that were created by the original category leader - Caverspencer (Caverspenser explained he was going to be more involved in other activities and knew that I would continue to be involved with Waymarking). Now move forward eight years and Alfouine seems to want to change the original vision of the Figurative Category developed by Caverspenser. As I understand Waymarking, when someone takes over the leadership of a category because the original/current leader is no longer willing/able to be leader, the only thing that changes is the person who is now the leader. The rules of the category originally developed by the Leader/Officers of the original category and approved by the membership and Groundspeak would overall stay the same. Am I mistaken?

    As far as the review of Waymarks - surprise - sometimes we (Leaders and Officers) make errors on approvals or denials. I have no idea how many Waymarks I have had the privilege to review, but I know that I have made mistakes. I have tried to correct them and offered apologies when I have made a mistake. Additionally, sometimes a very small minority of Waymarkers are disingenuous and do not play fair and 'sneak' in Waymarks that reviewers are unaware of not being in the spirit of Waymarking. Several years ago there was a few people who were Waymarking by capturing photos from Google Street View and submitting that photo as a Waymark. So I added the requirement to all my categories that the photos had to be personally taken by the Waymarker or personally visited by the Waymarker (as did many other leaders in Waymarking). I do not believe this is an undue burden. Like any other community, Waymarking is growing and changing with new technology and opportunities.

    Chickilim did notify me of the original issue at the start of this discussion and I did respond to him/her that I would contact Math Teacher about the problem, which I did. I try to do my best as a reviewer and leader/officer and in no way meant to offend or cause angst - just follow the rules of Figurative (or any other category where I am a leader/officer) with a goal of inclusion if it meets category requirements. I know that I approve waaaaay more Waymarks than I decline and when I decline, I try to provide suggestions and/or guidance. If a Waymarker continues to not follow category requirements (most common example for me is the Murals category), then declines will follow.

    I truly enjoy seeing all of the Waymarks this community submits and appreciate all of the work and pride that many exert when creating a great Waymark. I will continue to be active as a reviewer and, hopefully, be able to start posting in the future. I hope this long post helps to clarify any confusion or consternation that may have been created. Take care, Outspoken1

    Simply not true.   

  3. On 1/5/2018 at 5:31 PM, Outspoken1 said:

    P.S. Statue of Liberty was first sculpted in a clay maquette which was the original artists vision that was done in a subtractive manner. The actual engineering of the sculpture which has to withstand winds and other weather was done by structural engineer Eiffel in conjunction with the artist Bartholdi (who sculpted the original maquette and patented the design of the finished product US Patent) in a skeleton and skin method. So if you want to split hairs and miss the vision of Caverspenser's original comments when he and his friends created the category, I am just going to go eat dinner. Take care, Outspoken1

    I didnt and dont care how the piece was created.   My main perspective was it needed to figurative not literal.  

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  4. 21 hours ago, Manville Possum said:


    Rouge leadership is the term used for what is happening. I don't believe there are any stops in place that protect our ideas and the categories that we created. When we leave it's open season on our categories, and I am finished supporting a few members here that want to continue playing Waymarking.

    yep!  couldn't agree more

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  5. 36 minutes ago, Alfouine said:

    All this discussion for this, it was the Caverspencer's reply and unfortunately with two or three disrespectful words, nothing againt someone, but against waymarkers in general.

    The moderator could put in bracket direspectful words and leave the post, as it exists in other forum, but he decided to delete all the post :(, as if he had not wanted to understand the interest of this discussion

    It was our last change to convice Outspoken1 to change her mind, with the real point of view of Caverspencer about the category he created.

    I am very very disappointed....

    This doesn't surprise me.    Reinforces why I left Waymarking.    My post wasnt that disrespectful and not directed at anyone.    Any bets if this one gets deleted or not?

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  6. On 1/6/2018 at 10:03 AM, Outspoken1 said:

    For whatever it is worth, I DID NOT create the addditive-subtractive criteria. That was Caverspenser. That is why Silhouette was created. I could go into the hellish details of this issue that happened over 8 years ago, but I don't want to bring up any bad memories of unkind things that occurred, and since I can't retrieve the old Forums, it is just my word. I didn't want the additive-subtractive requirement, but there ya go. Why would I make this up? Made me crazy then, but it was Caverspenser's category and this was the criteria he inferred then later specified when the category was created/approved.

    I am lucky enough to live near Loveland, Colorado, where there are companies that cast statues. You can go on a tour (or at least used to be able to) and learn about the journey of an artists sketches, to a maquette commonly made of clay to the full sculpture that then must be created full size so the casting company can make molds to cast the bronze. That is why we Waymarkers often find a 'duplicate' sculpture in another location. The artist often casts a limited series of the sculptures because it is soooo expensive to cast a statue. Often, on the base where the artist signs their work you will see, for example, 3/12 (third casting of 12).

    The maquette is doubly important because the casting company will let the artist know if their design is able to be cast without breaking or being out of balance and fall over. Bartholdi, the sculptor of the Statue of Liberty, created many sketches and maquettes working with Eiffel to make a HUGE statue that would not fall over and withstand the weather. That is why her right arm is upright with the torch and her left foot forward and left arm rotated slightly rearward holding the tablet - counter-balance.

    what a crock!   ironically all but two of my waymarks from that category have been archived. Most likely by outspoken one.    I quit Waymarking years ago because of the nonesense of people hijacking groups.   

  7. I was pointed to this thread by a friend and I am not sure what email or wayamrk you are referring too. Can you give me a specific waymark please. I went through today and do not see any by you. As far as I know everything has been reviewed, or there is a glitch. I also have not seen any email from you.



    Ironically, the category "Unoccupied Buildings, Shacks, and Cabins" has - like the edifices it describes - been abandoned. I submitted a waymark for this category back on 22 December 2012; sent an email (with copy back to me) to the category creator back on 11 January 2013, and yet today (19 February 2013) nearly 3 months later no action at all has been taken on the waymark or on the email.


    Being of a melancholic disposition, I really like this category (and others like it - nostalgic). I'd really hate to see this category remain stagnant.

  8. Just a general thought about this...

    If we dont start thinking twice about our placements and what non cachers think about them we are going to continue to lose our sport.


    We have lost wilderness


    We have lost parks in several states


    We have lost anywhere close to a school


    We have lost anything managed by the national park service


    We have lost Indian lands.


    We have lost bridges


    Have we now lost highway shoulders in Nevada?


    What else have we lost?


    What else will lose?


    Just sayin'



    Now my opinion. Some power trails are ok. But placing caches every tenth of a mile alone a busy highway is ridiculous, careless and dangerous. We have one here in Utah along the West side of Utah lake. This is on a very narrow two lane highway with no shoulder to pull off on. Cars travel at well over the posted speed limit of 65. The series is very careless and very dangerous. Someone is going to get killed! The only other option is to drive along a farm road on private property and risk your life crossing the road for the caches on the west side of the road. Either option is not cool at all.

  9. First, it's easy enough to not include micros in your PQ.


    Second, I have a filter I created in GSAK for caches placed by certain hiders.

    After updating GSAK, I run the filter.

    If any undesirable caches show up, I use the split-screen view to show the online page where I can click IGNORE immediately.

    After that, I can delete the offending caches from GSAK, and never have to see them again.

    It can take a while to catch up if your target cache owners are prolific, but once you catch up the maintenance is pretty simple.


    Yes I do the same in GSAK. However there is no way to incorporate my GSAK filters with my ignore list on geocaching.com I use my phone and either geoccahinglive or geoccahe navigator with live data from Groundspeak to cache often. Unfortunately this takes GSAK out of the picture unless i want to spends hours pocket queries, loading them into GSAK and sending GPX files to my phone.


    I am one of these crazy people that would like to be able to just pull my phone out of my pocket on a whim and be able to pull up the caches in an area and go caching. These phone aps with live data are nice but the downside is they show everything, including the caches I would otherwise filter out with GSAK.

  10. My original question was not about blocking a specific user. It was if there was an easy way to add multiple caches to the ignore list.


    It would be nice to add some more features to the search options, then be able to select all, or select the caches you want added to ignore list and be able to easily do it.


    A button that said "add these caches to my ignore list" would be sweet, especially if there was more search options.


    The issue at hand is that having to open each cache page, then click on ignore listing, then confirm it, then repeat one at a time over and over is very time consuming and it forces you to see the things that frustrate you over and over and over again, this just adds to negative thoughts.

  11. Groundspeak often promotes that if you dont like a style of cache then you dont have to find it.

    No, many forum regulars advocate that - usually in response to "I hate micros / nanos / power trails / puzzles / urban hides / LPCs". I don't recall Groundspeak ever officially commenting on this. I could be wrong though - if so, a link would be appreciated.


    To each there own, but I do think that there would be less of those comments if we were not forced to see those caches in our searches and pocket queries. Having to visit each of those cache pages one by one to add them to our ignore lists also doesn't help. I would just like to hide them from my searches and pocket queries and be able to forget about them. Then we can all be happy and mind our own business.


    I don't care if people hide them, I just don't want to wade through them to plan my caching activities.

  12. Short answer: NO


    Groundspeak has mentioned repeatedly in the past that they will not promote features based on negativity. Your best bet is to use a program like GSAK and Pocket Queries to filter like this.


    I dont see how this is promoting negativity?


    Groundspeak often promotes that if you dont like a style of cache then you dont have to find it.


    Let them hide them all they want, but why do we have to be forced to filter through hundreds of junk caches to find ones we prefer?


    Surely there is a way. Anyone anyone?

  13. Is there a way to easily add caches to your ignore list in bulk rather tahn one at a time?


    I would like to be able to add caches by specific hiders and all micro caches in the state.


    Is there an easy way to do this?


    Or another possibility is for a filter in geoccahing live. Currently geocaching live only allows you to filter out finds. But all chaces on yoru ignore list are not shown. When caching int he field it would be nice to not have to filted through all the junk caches to find ones I would like to look for.

  14. I am with the group that does think one out of every ten caches should be a favorite. I would like to give more pooints to certain caches. If we only want to make one out of every 100 cahces our favorites why cant we give that cache 10 points?


    I also dont see how this helps people pick higher quality caches to search for. My favorite caches are ones that seldome get found, so even if everyone that found it gave it one favorite point the stupid micro under that lampskirt that 200 people have found will still end up with a higher favorite rating.

  15. Yes, I did miss the distinction about the different day. It was mentioned at the tail end of your idea, and there was a typo. I gather that the official BSA event only occurs on one day?


    So, if it's on a different day, then the answer would be "it depends on what it says on the cache page."


    Yes the BSA event is just one day. They have a goal being able to pass a signal from Canada to Mexico or something like that. High pointers (aka Peak Baggers) have similair events too, but I am not up to speed on all that.

  16. Did everyone miss this part of my original post?


    "But if there was enough interest I think it might be fun to having a GeoCaching On Target date a different day than the BSA one."


    To clarify my thoughts a bit more what attempt to do is find a peak that no scouts will be on and hike to it for the event. What I think would even be cooler is if multiple events were organized on different peaks and we could signal to another group ("event") of geocachers and do it on a weekend other than the BSA weekend.


    I would prefer to get out and see the world than to eat pot luck at the local park. To me an "event" is an activity were geocachers get together and do something a bit different than they normally do. I thought it would be fun to get a group of cachers together and hike to a summit and signal some other peaks. It would be even cooler if multiple groups got together on different summits and we signaled each other....


    The events I enjoy the most are events such as launching rockets, caving, weekend backpacking trips, weekend camping trips, attending a local demolition derby, etc.. what do any of those have to do with geocaching???? They are an excuse for geocachers to get together and do an activity. I still don't see the difference between doing an On Target event and any of the other events I mentioned.

  17. I am thinking of organizing a Geocaching event for On Target this year and hoping for some input.


    The annual date for it is the 3rd Saturday in July. But if there was enough interest I think it might be fun to having a GeoCaching On Target date a different day that the BSA one.


    What are peoples thought on this?

    Who would be interested in hosting or attending one and what summit would be of interest to you?

  18. :P:):P


    You guys are all awesome!

    Now that you mention it, it is very annoying isn't it??


    I think I will add a link instead... Much easier for a HTML illiterate person like me to do anyway, and much less annoying.


    Thanks for the "constructive criticism" it is appreciated. :D


    out of curiosity, is it against Groundspeak TOU to have a cache page play sound? One of you mentioned it is supposed to be stripped out.

  19. Can I add a worst location to the list?




    The part that cracks me up is that Jeremy banned him from caching, then he rejoins as ad0or and has the gull to log the cache as a find...


    He now has well over 500 hides. You know every lamp skirt and sign post he has been past because it has a film canister or specimen tube stuck in it.

  20. Sorry about the slow reply..


    Here is what I did.


    I downloaded the .loc file of benchmarks I had found. Then when I opened the file in GSAK I had it flag the updated waypoints. Then I ran a filter based on ones that had a flag, and did a global replace to mark them all as found.

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