Keelmann And Cici

I'd either give him coordinates, or if really concerned about protecting it, give him at least approximate coordinates.

This discussion seems to be missing some relevant points. Unless TCM is actionable by Groundspeak by removal of finds, it can't really be called "cheating". And Roman, if that's the way you want to geocache, go for it. You don't need to use a lackey for justification, which is really all you're doing here. Just play the way you want. I don't care for the method, and I'd never play that way, as it would feel cheesy and cheap to me, but that's my opinion applied to the way I geocache. One of the best things about geocaching is being able to play the way you want. You like FTF's? Go for it! Trackables? Have fun! Only like full-size caches in parks? Great, there's a ton! Play the way you want, and don't worry about how other people play, and you won't have to worry about justifying something. If you use a technique in a gray area, then you should be prepared for a cache owner to object. In the end, in a disagreement, Groundspeak is the judge. Power trails don't really interest me, as I don't care much about numbers. My favorite caches are always the unique, special, creative ones.

Normally a geocacher would ask a city for a geocaching policy, or permission to place geocaches in general. This is likely what the cacher did, or how he understood it. Since the city was able to find one instance of permission, they should review that wording, and get back to the individual cacher to clarify that permission is needed for every individual cache. Now this makes for a very restrictive and unfortunate local cache policy, but it may be too late to fix that. This is between the city, the local cacher, and potentially a local reviewer. You should simply stay out of it. Why did you bring it up the the city official in the first place?

Aran, I sympathize. It sounds like you're describing a "power trail" or geoart, caches placed specifically to form a shape on the map. I'd suggest contacting the cache owner with the concern, although he/she may be reluctant to move any if the shape is important. Caches should have permission for placement, but public property is often fair game unless prohibited by rule. The cache owner would definitely have avoided private property.

Were they bad logs? Yes. Should you have deleted them? No.

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Obviously, the whole idea is a bit silly. Theoretically, if everyone tried for more logs for their own caches than finds, then many caches would never be found. People who choose not to hide caches are perfectly normal geocachers.

From the help center article: "Geocaches should never be replaced without the permission of the geocache owner as this frequently leads to multiple containers at the location and disputes about whether you found the "real" container and are entitled to log a find." That seems pretty clearly anti-throwdown.

As others have said, utility pole may be a bad choice for safety and permission reasons. Personally, I avoid high muggle residential neighborhood caches, I'm just not comfortable searching there, buts that's just me. Permission is critical where a cache or cachers may be questioned. Is there any public use area you can get permission for nearby?

I found one that was a mailbox, I enjoyed that one. Looked all over the place for it, then opened the box, there was the log.

I would recommend finding a fair number before you consider hiding any. It's a good way to learn about best practices, and what makes a cache great.

I agree with Harry, you shouldn't be there after closing.

FTF doesn't mean much to me, so I would have just offered to help them look, rather than go on my own, and if I spotted it, called them over to find it, and let them have the FTF. I'm sure FTF hounds will disagree with me, I know they get very competitive, but like I said, doesn't mean much to me, and I'd prefer to make a friend of a fellow cacher rather than have a FTF.

I think it's fine, I'd enjoy finding a cache like that.

Ladies and gents, I believe we've been trolled.

Yes...You can reload shotgun shells. Depending on the shell, you could probably get 5 reloads out of them. Besides that - anyone who reloads ammunition, probably will not pickup stray shells. You don't know where its been and although, you can 'inspect' its condition....there's a certain safety concern with those strays. My husband would never pickup stray shells. He reloads only the shells we buy. It is NOT appropriate swag!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well obviously they wouldn't be meant to be reloaded, anyone with the knowledge and equipment to reload them would know not to. So I am not sure where all of the hostility is coming from. She was thinking of it as more of a signature item, she loves to go to the range and shoot, and I'm sure there are other geocachers out there that enjoy spending time at the range. She also said that she would enjoy collecting shells from caches if someone else left them as swag. And as far as family friendly, we both said that our parents would have let us collect spent shells and she would let her children collect them too. Sounds like you made up your mind prior to starting the thread. To me, it's trash, and not something I think would be good for kids, but everyone has their own opinion. In the end, if your friend thinks it's good swag, it's her choice to use it. If I found one in one of the caches I own, I'd remove it as trash.

No one is restricting your right to geocache, or restricting the kinds of geocaches you may place. You may do anything that's legal, as you've pointed out. You can tell your friends about it. You can start a website and post about it. Groundspeak is restricting the types of caches they are willing to list, and as a business, they have that right. One would assume they are using those rules to protect the quality, integrity, and reputation OF THE BUSINESS, which in many cases (but not all) would be the same as protecting the hobby. If they saw challenges getting out of control, and reducing the quality of cache placements, and increasing the frustration level of their user base, they'd have two option. Use moderation to restrict specific caches, which would get them into a tight position of judgement based review, or put rules in place that can be applied with reasonably objectivity. They've always seemed to lean toward the latter whenever possible. Now an unfortunate side affect of this is while it does limit the problem-causing caches, it can also limit caches that may have been positive ones. The same is true of virtually any generic rule created by a business. But apparently, the overall impact is positive in Groundspeak's opinion, as the rules stay in place. Just my 2 cents.

You were kicked out of a public area? For what reason? What type of public area was this?

I've placed caches in two different county parks. One county had a stated policy allowing it, the other I asked permission from the county parks and rec office, and after jumping through some minor hoops, received it. Not everyone asks though.

Your caches appear to be right on the edge of public property. You may be in the right here, but if it were me, I'd adjust the caches to remove any possibility of confusion or confrontation. Seems like there's plenty of room to adjust.

I must have missed something. Isn't that just someone putting in their old finds to a new account? Even says what old names he used to use.

Personally, I wouldn't sign, and I'd think a great deal less of the event for doing it, seems to me to run counter to the idea of geocaching. And if I were a cache owner of one of the caches, all logs would be deleted, and I'd let Groundspeak rule on any protest.

Try getting off the beaten track a bit, parks make good places go geocache. But we all deal with attention at times. The thing I try to remember is I'm doing absolutely nothing wrong, and if that's what I project, no one seems to think twice about my searching. Urban caches do tend to be tougher, but with some practice, you'll probably get used to doing those as well. Good luck!

You might check with this group: https://www.facebook.com/COGeoCachers They might have more info. Also, your local reviewer may be able to point you in the right direction. Good luck, I hope it works out!

The rules are there not so much to protect the tree, although that's part of it, but to ensure geocaching maintains a good relationship with land managers. Most public land managers won't allow anything like a nail in a tree, therefore it's against guidelines. Sorry to hear a good cache was archived, but there's lots of ways to make good caches without guideline violations.