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  1. This cache ? If it is that one, I don't think you are going to get the answer you would like , either here or from Groundspeak if anyone appeals your deleting of their log. Once the physical container is out there and signable, if folk find and sign it, regardless of temporary disablement , it is in the game and can be logged. As others have said, to stop that you'd have to remove the container as well as disabling it. If there was a valid serious reason, say a change to the area, or some temporary danger to cachers which made hunting inadvisable for a short while, and you as C.O. couldn't even get to the container to remove it for that reason, I'm sure Groundspeak would co-operate to avoid people getting into trouble, But if you just thought a different day would be better for some personal reason it would have been best to politely ask your reviewer in the reviewer note to publish the cache on that specific day.
  2. 'I've noticed 'defiantly' is a very common auto complete or spell checker mistake when someone intends to type 'definitely''
  3. I've never acquired a tick myself ( famous last words) which is surprising as biting insects find me very tasty, but I've removed scores of the things from the disabled hedgehogs I used to foster in my garden for the local wildlife hospital. I cannot begin to describe the difficulty of getting in between the forest of spines of a rolled up hedgehog with a tick key or tweezers to get a grip on the tick and twist the thing off , or the frustratingly long wait for the hedgehog to relax and unroll so you can pick it up in just the right way to flip it over without it being able to curl up. to can get to its furry underside ... ticks really like hedgehogs armpits and ears, I bet that's a phrase that doesn't get typed very often. I found that the mechanical tick removal methods were just too awkward , and I don't imagine the hedgie was too keen on the lengthy process either, so once a week (outside hibernation time) I'd pick the beast up, bring it indoors, park it in an empty dry sink, and use a tiny dropper bottle (it had held eardrops so had a pipette type tube and bulb top) to drip a couple of drops of olive oil on the head of each little grey parasite I could see between spines. They actually let go quite quickly , within 10 to 15 minutes they would be lying in the sink waving 8 legs in the air . After a quick check none were still hanging on, I'd release the hog back in the garden, (yes, one of them was called Harley ...) then wreak vengance on the ticks , crushed then swilled away with boiling water. I once watched the wildlife hospital founder absent mindedly remove a tick with the skill of long practise from a juvenile hedgehog with just her fingers as she sat at a table with a cup of coffee chatting to me ... she held the rolled up hedgehog in one bare hand (the spines are not that uncomfortable) reached in with finger and thumb, grasped the tick and ... rotated the hedgehog , not the tick ... now why didn't I think of that ? Then she casually placed the tick, on its back, legs up on the table by her cup (euurgh !) and carried on chatting. No idea what she said after that, I was mesmerised by the horrid little things attempts to right itself by frantic leg waving . It didn't manage to get on its feet and escape , in fact I left before it did ... Once, and only once, my cat got a tick , between her eye and her ear (the flea treatment she got monthly changed formula unknown to me, and the 'new , improved' stuff no longer killed ticks, just fleas. ) She was not a feline you meddled with casually , and any approach with tweezers etc was going to be doomed to failure and probably lacerations (for me ) so, knowing she'd not hold still for a few minutes while oil smothered that tick, I got some alcohol based , dog and cat specific stuff in a tiny pump type can with a tube to direct the spray at the bug. The spray claimed to zap ticks instantly. What could possibly go wrong ? I'd stupidly failed to consider the sudden cooling effect of an alcohol based spray, one tiny squirt bang on the tick, and the cat headed for the ceiling like a rocket . I was off her Christmas card list for weeks , it took a lot of chicken to re-establish friendly relations. The tick was left dead where the cat had taken off from, killed by the spray or perhaps unable to cope with the extreme feline acceleration ... If I got a tick on me, I'd go for the twist option if I could, and I carry fine tweezers in my always with me first aid kit for such eventualities. If I couldn't reach the thing , was alone and I had access to some cooking oil (a camping multi day trip maybe) , I'd probably give suffocating it a try rather than wait and let the thing fill up with my blood before it let go and dropped off to climb up a grass stalk and continue it's life by latching on to the next passing warm thing for a meal. Coincidentally I just received a new Buff I'd ordered specifically because it is a 'UV insect shield' variant, impregnated with pemethrin and 95% UV protection. It is coolmax fabric, thicker and less silky than the usual buff , but if it keeps the bugs away , who cares !
  4. I don't use my 'phone for actual cache finding, but have a big GDAK database in it as a backup to the GPS and for navigation : all I need to do is pull up a cache I want to drive near to on GDAK, go to the compass screen, and from the 3 dot menu top right, select 'navigate' which sets the co-ords as the destination on my sat nav app. I've never used it to input new co-ords, but I just checked, and from the 'info' screen , three dot menu you get an edit co-ords option which is a simple pop up box . As I say, I've never used the compass to actually hunt a cache though, so I can't comment on that, my needs were for a simple , small, offline database app. I've invested enough time on getting to grips with GPS and GSAK to not want to waste any more of my life on learning the ins and outs of a complex feature packed all singing all dancing app. Back when I got this 'phone I tried half a dozen apps out, including locus, and only GDAK appealed to me. As you are familiar with GSAK you could download PQs to that, do any sorting and selecting you like, then send a GPX file (of thousands of caches if you want) to GDAK via USB . Then the whole thing works fine with no connection to the internet, you can specify in your export from GSAK how many previous logs you want to see , and if you need to check a cache listing is up to date, you just enable data connection, then select the globe from the GDAK top menu bar, which connects you straight to that webpage. You only get ads when connected , it's totally free, works offline, takes up very little space, and is simple, stable and reliable. That's why I chose it, your needs and priorities may differ !
  5. The signal gets messed with by the leaf canopy overhead , then your GPS accuracy depends on a combination of the signal quality, the antenna of the GPS and the software it runs. Wet leaves seem to be even more disruptive of the signal than dry ones too. Flippant answer : climb a tree to give the device a better view of the sky & therefore the GPS satellites ... more sensible answer: schedule your deciduous woodland caching for winter. Overly detailed answer : here is more technical information about the effect than anyone needs. Interesting reading though. Practically though, I've found in dense woodland that when the etrex 10 pointer rotated wildly, and I couldn't duck out into a clearing or back to the edge of the woodland to give it a chance to establish a better lock onto the signal , sometimes it could be helpful to switch to the map screen, enlarge it to the maximum and use that to steer me to the cache. I don't know if there is any difference in more expensive models of GPS, but I've been using an etrex 30 for a while now, and it seems a little less confused than the 10 was, altho' that may be down to the 30's inbuilt electronic compass , or possibly my increased caching experience (which, to be honest I've seen no other effect from ! Still loads of DNFs ... ) No GPS , however expensive can give you a precise reading without a good signal, I doubt spending double on a more advanced device would give a substantial improvement unless your ettrex is really old ( e.g. a non-usb model ) When you consider that the setter will have had a similar lack of accuracy (unless they placed the cache when the trees were just seedlings) you just have to hope to goodness that they hid something bigger than a micro, and they gave you a decent hint to help you as you stumble around searching . Not 'base of tree' for instance.
  6. Which is, of course, precisely what I have done ever since the new and unimproved map appeared, and what I have to do every time, over and over again, and what any worthwhile website functionality response to the irritation caused by the process would address. The search map is useless as a first landing map from a cache page to me, and as this thread proves, to many other folk too. I do not want to wait while it slowly loads, and I do have to wait, as if I click on 'browse map' as soon as that link appears, it takes me to .... a map centred on home. Aaaargh ! No, it is necessary to watch the sloooowly loading map I don't want until the cache I want appears. At least I've discovered I don't have to wait for the entire blasted map to load , which would waste even more of my life ..... Thanks for explaining the mechanism, I like to know how things work. I didn't ever imagine the browse map from the drop down menu could do what I want though. It strikes me as being a sop to all the folk who have complained , a case of 'Look, we have done something !', but without providing what we need , which is Either the browse map set as the logical, sensible default from ''view larger map', or the ability to select a default choice for ourselves. I tell you what, premium membership would instantly become more attractive if paying it gave a 'toggle map default from 'view larger map' function ...
  7. Whatever page I am on, 'View Browse Map' takes me directly to the browse map, but always centred on my home co-ordinates. This is not a great deal of use when I am researching an area away from home, and am looking at the page of a cache there. I want to browse the caches around that cache, not my home ! This may be a small concession to the very many people who have asked for the Browse map to be the default when we click on 'view larger map, but' it is really not a practical solution.
  8. The answer is always GSAK ... GSAK for a grid view, but for printing out an individual caches page where your main focus is the text, it is a bit of a pain as you get a lot of empty space and things you probably don't need , as it gives you a condensed version of the HTML So when you are only interested in the text from the cache page, Easy GPS provides an answer . Select the cache, select the box with the cache info showing , then go to file / print preview /print. It is the only function I ever use Easy GPS for , everything else about it is beaten hands down by GSAK.
  9. If you haven't already, try the suggestions here where GSAK specific advice is available. It seems a few people have had problems with duplicate user names and security software, but otherwise there is little recent report of such problems.
  10. Yep, because geology is (to a great extent) about rocks ! Your horsetails might make a good virtual cache , keep your fingers crossed for another release next year ! Meanwhile, geology is a huge ( and fascinating ) subject, and without a decent grounding in it (pun not intended, but I'll leave it in anyway) , earthcache setters can make embarrassing mistakes, like the Jurassic rock in which the E.C tasks included looking for a specific fossil : when I emailed the owner, and said I saw a fragment of a brachiopod he came back with , "actually it is a trilobite, but you answered the other questions correctly so you can claim the find". Anyone with a little background in the subject would know it couldn't possibly be a trilobite . Or the eroded oolitic limestone where a different CO thought the little circles were fossil crinoid stem ossicles. . That was half an hour puzzling over what the C.O. meant at the location, before I realised the mistake he had made, and then a lot of time back home wondering how to compose the e-mail with my answers ... Hzoi has given you the appropriate links, if you are serious about wanting to set an earthcache, you can read the specifics there , and need to either spend some time on research about your local geology, or find someone to help you who already has the knowledge. That help has to be local, it's just not possible to assess a location's potential without actually visiting it. The reviewer's task is just to review the finished earthcache you send for publication to ensure it meets the current criteria, and whilst I'm sure they are keen to see more good earthcaches, we can't demand they go beyond their remit and help us construct our earthcaches . It is also true that earthcache rules have tightened up recently, and I'm happy that they have, the emphasis on them now being a proper geology lesson rather than little more than a virtual smiley keeps them distinct, interesting and worthwhile.
  11. I'm not at all confident that that earthcache task would be acceptable for publication now : it doesn't seem to me to be a geological feature at all, but a biological one, as it looks like the horsetails in question are alive, not fossilised . I imagine someone with a more authoritative opinion than me may well chip in about that ... If you really want to set an earthcache, my suggestion would be to get in touch with a local educational establishment that teaches geology and ask for help , they will have specific knowledge about any useful sites with features used for fieldwork with students , and should be able to give you reliable geological information. Another possibility is you might be able to track down a local geology group , we have quite a few in the UK, but I don't know about your area !
  12. Replace, no, not unless you have the permission of the cache owner. It isn't your property to take, and some C.O.s will be annoyed. I would be, as it's my habit to post photos of the old logs with my maintenance note (altho' I'm about two months behind with uploading my photos at the moment , must sort that out ...) I know several cache owners in my area well enough that I've asked them about this in the past, and some are O.K. with old logs being removed and disposed of, others are happy for me to return full logs to them next time we meet up. But I'd never assume it was OK to take the old log. Add to , yes, a temporary log can usually be placed alongside the old one. Tthere are various places on the internet you can download common sizes to print out for free. The only real problem is if the cache is packed tight with the existing log, as magnetic nanos or tiny tubes tend to be, so there might be no spare space . In that case either overwrite an old faded log, squeeze a tiny signature in sideways somewhere, or post a photo of the full log. And don't forget to add a 'needs maintenance' log. It's also my habit when typing my logs, to mention if the log book or sheet is getting close to full : some C.O.s with more than a few caches may not bother reading most incoming logs , spending your time reading dozens of identical copy/paste logs of emoji heavy drivel is a total waste of time, but hopefully sometimes my early warning about the situation might be read and enable them to plan a proactive maintenance visit before the problem even happens.
  13. I'd rather like to see such an attribute, but not just for flagging up English language caches outside England ... What with caching being a global game, an attribute could indicate the description is in more than only the local tongue, be that a French cache with Italian translation or whatever. As an aside, I know of one cache listing site where it is possible for the C.O. to provide the description in alternative languages, and for the cache page reader to select the one they prefer. I've no idea if it gets used much, but it's an interesting option to have. I'm far from good at languages, hated being obliged to study French and German at school, but see it as a minimal courtesy to the inhabitants to learn the basics for anywhere I travel.
  14. Honestly, it's much more likely to be a muggle than a cacher : looking at the map your cache is in a small woodland very close to many houses, there won't only be dog walkers galore but also birdwatchers, walkers, and children playing ( I don't know about your local schools, but last week was half term here , and the weather was dry, so I bet the little wood got a lot of use) If your cache had some intriguing outer casing (and it sounds like it did ...) and it was capable of being left in view rather than tucked away somewhere, it probably got spotted by someone curious who investigated and broke it. It's a shame, especially as it is your first hide , but please don't be downhearted ! These things happen to all cache setters, the best thing to do is learn from them and think about how to outwit the muggles. When replacing a muggled cache it sometimes makes sense to shift the hide a bit, especially if it was by something distinctive . I've seen a cache page where someone replace a micro by a gate post several times , it became obvious some local muggle was taking it each time, but the setter persisted in putting a new pot back in the self same spot to be muggled again ... madness ! If 'your' tree is truly distinctive, or by a fence corner ,seat, post, or path junction or some other landmark that will help the same muggle find the tree again to see if the thing they took has magically re-appeared, move it. As long as your move doesn't exceed 161m , or encroach on the 161m radius area of another cache, you can change the co-ordinates on your cache page yourself by making a 'change co-ordinates' from the drop down list of choices when you 'log geocache' (this only shows on your owned caches). Finally, if you think it really could be a cacher who damaged it, you could make the cache premium only for a while: that would stop any total beginner (who was trying the game out for free , and might not understand the proper way to treat a cache) from messing with it, and you can also see the audit trail of who looked at the page online (doesn't record visits by app, but it might reassure you) Reading the logs, your cache was really well received , don't give up. Think like a muggle to try and avoid losing any more caches to them . Good luck .
  15. I'd agree with you, three trads , one bonus '?' cache. As long as all four GZs are at least 161m apart it should be OK, this 'bonus cache for completing a set' is a pretty common arrangement round here. Personally, I really don't appreciate difficult field puzzles, so I'd hope the 'riddle' is not too tough and could be done reasonably quickly and without having to resort to the internet. I've noticed that many cachers will avoid multis and puzzles as too much effort, but happily go for trad.s , so your traditionals will probably be found more often than a single multi would. I don't know if that is something that concerns you, but regular found it logs are a good way for both owner and cachers to know the caches are OK. Another thought is that if one stage of a 3 stage multi goes missing, , the cache becomes inoperable until you maintain it, whereas with 3 trads, if one goes awol, the other two will still be available, you just have to remember to disable the bonus mystery to warn people about the situation (if they've not previously collected the information) until you have maintained the feeder.
  16. Unknowingly finding a throwdown, well, I expect I've done it (but I wouldn't know, would I ? ) I might feel mildly irritated if my innocent log on one was deleted, but I'd live : one less smiley, so what. I was there , I had the experience, move on. What I really would like was if widespread log deletion on throwdowns by C.O.s changed the view of many cachers from 'A throwdown, how helpful, now I can log the find ' to 'A throwdown, what thoughtless idiot left that ? ' Which attitude would eventually filter through to the throwdowner, and persuade them to stop. I had a found it log on one of my caches a few months ago, saying , couldn't see it, hedge overgrown, left a replacement. Disabled the cache as soon as I got the log, explained anyone finding the throwdown would have their log deleted, and sent a message to the throwdowner asking them to remove both find log and throwdown, with a link to the relevant guideline. I had no reply, but the log was deleted, and when I went to check on the cache I saw no throwdown. That cacher probably thinks I'm an awful person and stupidly rigid about the rules, but at least they now know not to drop replacement caches whenever they feel the urge . Well, not on my caches anyway ...
  17. A choice : GPS, on a lanyard. Cheap, robust waterproof., not a thief magnet. Safer alternative: in my very basic android 'phone I have an offline GDAK database, when I select a cache and then go to 'compass' I get the option to 'navigate' and it sends the location to my navigation app so I can drive to the nearest trailhead. Hands free. Thats the only way I use the 'phone for caching (apart from running wherigos) I somehow doubt that a few million years of human evolution, survival adaptation and reflexes are going to be overcome by the conscious thought when falling off a cliff that one must save the $1000 toy. But then, if you are doing anything at the edge of a rocky cliff while paying attention to a smartphone or anything else in your hand , evolution is not your friend, altho' a Darwin Award could lie in your future. I've done a fair bit of small scale falling (we call it ukemi) and I can assure you, the only thing that goes through your mind at the time is " Oh &*%$£ !" OK, so here's why there is no watch app. It is not economic. If there was any perceived demand , and someone (not necessarily Groundspeak) was able to do it and make some profit from it, they would develop it. Look at the huge range of caching apps out there: with the odd (open ) exception, they were all made by someone who profits from them , if 'free' there will be adverts,. I seem to recall reading that ios is less easy to produce apps for than android ( security, proprietary software, limited access to the system, something like that, I don't know, I'm no expert and expect I'll be corrected by someone who is ...) And then how often do new i phones and watches come out with new software which would demand app changes or new apps ? So, you have a combination of it being a difficult app to build, provide, and keep current, and a lack of demand , coupled with the watch having no compass, so any app would mostly get bitter complaints about it's lack of accuracy from folk who expect 100% service after spending all that money on both devices . I have to agree with cerberus If you buy an expensive gadget because you want it, well, that's your choice. If you make optimistic assumptions about what it can do , instead of doing thorough research before you put down your cash, that's your choice too. If the justification you made to yourself for needing that gadget turns to dust, that's an expensive lesson you just got.
  18. I've no idea how many GSAK users there are globally (and there are no doubt a lot more since it became free ) but I can see there are 62353 registered members of the GSAK forum, which will probably be (like the users of the forum here) a tiny percentage of the actual users.
  19. Of course it is, doesn't matter what your motivation is, as long as you log your visit as a note on the cache so the cache owner gets a little feedback, and, most importantly, correctly log picking up the TB and then move it on and log the drop properly . I've revisited found caches several times to retrieve (or look at) TBs which landed in them and had information vital to puzzles, gone back to caches I knew from experience were big enough to physically hold particularly large TBs to drop them, and there is one very well maintained 'TB hotel' in a picturesque, non-drive-by spot which I've visited perhaps 4 or 5 times since my initial find to drop off TBs and , if there is anything in there which takes my fancy, pick one up. One observation though : If a cacher makes a habit of pouncing on, and sweeping up every trackable in their area, especially if they then hoard them without much sign of moving them on, it does not endear them to other cachers or the trackable owners.
  20. No, it couldn't work ... but if attempted it would push up sales of GPS devices which are entirely offline, and third party apps which swerved the process ... Garmin would be very happy, official app customers ( and therefore Groundspeak) would not ... Then, if fairness is the target, what about people who find a cache in a group or a pair ? Surely it's only fair that the difficulty should be divided by the number of searchers in the group ? And of course, the app should watch for, and suitably penalise any PAFs (phone .e mail or message centre) from GZ ... Then there needs to be a 24 hour a day watch on all aspects of the cachers life to ensure they solve that D5 puzzle without any outside help whatsoever .... Yes, I'm being silly here to highlight the flaws . A simpler answer to your problem (which I don't see as a problem myself ) would be, stop showing D/T grids on stats , or allowing challenges based on them. But that would demotivate some folk, therefore damage business too, so that's not going to happen. I reckon your only hope to achieve what you want is to change human nature to eliminate competition for social status, fondness for collecting complete sets, boasting and dishonesty. Sounds like a religion, not an amendment to an app ? Or you could just not be concerned by anyone else's stats, because how they got them really doesn't matter .Comparing them with your own , flawlessly honest ones ( because you found all caches solo, never did a PAF, never got a hint on a puzzle or were handed a container by someone who spotted it first ,etc etc ) and feeling peeved that they didn't earn them 'properly' is a waste of effort and will just make you feel negative. Smile and move on.
  21. Try the bottom left button (while looking at the list of nearest caches) and scroll down to select 'show found' ? I sold my etrex 10, but am pretty sure its the same on that as on my current 30.
  22. The word reward implies the thing given is in return for something: fulfill a task, get a reward. The dog sits up and begs, it gets a biscuit reward. If the criteria the giver chooses to reward are low, that's up to them, but it's still a reward. Award, on the other hand, is the word for a gift which does not imply set criteria , so although it's a less accurate term here, given there actually is a bar to entry, perhaps it would be a better choice because once the criteria are fulfilled, we are told most of the recipient selection will be made randomly. Inaccurate vocabulary aside ( souvenir moments anyone ?) I'll guess little thought was given to doing anything other than calling these "rewards" simply because the last lot were called rewards. At least the flawed algorithm which handed out 4000 opportunities to make virtuals but only resulted in 2,668 of them actually being set has been discarded, and some of the suggestions given here in the forum have been implemented (specifically the opt in, and requirement for recent activity . ) No, de nada, don't thank us for the good advice, we know what we did ...
  23. It's a poor situation if a tool specifically made for one purpose , and with no skill level assumed (so can be picked up and used by absolute beginners or knowledgeable experienced folk who expect full features ) does not have some beginner, user friendly help. I've never used a caching app for anything but GDAK aa backup database on a 'phone, so cannot address any specific points of the official apps functionality, but it sounds like the problem is , as Kunarion says, another consequence of the push from desktop to app. When I started caching I enjoyed looking around the website on my laptop screen, reading cache pages, scrolling through past logs, admiring the good design and photography some C.O.s used, following C.O. name links to see what other caches they had, finding out about how multis and puzzles and the D/T system works etc etc. In fact, having signed up for a free membership I got an automatic reminder e-mail maybe a month later reminding me I'd signed up and suggesting I go and actually search for a cache ... Now I understand that's not a typical approach, I'm particularly addicted to learning new stuff , but if I'd started with an app, would I have had easy access any of that background to inform my first few hunts and make them enough fun to get me hooked ? I doubt it. I see the device (GPS and computer or 'phone plus app) as just tools, not central to the game, their sole job is to mediate between the cache placer and the cache hunter. I see the various cache database providers in a similar way,, just a database of caches which are actually owned by C.O.s. I've introduced a few folk to caching (not always Groundspeak caching ...) , and my method has been to lend them a spare GPS, pre loaded with suitable caches (ones I already found and knew were good ) , went along with them , but hung back, letting them follow the arrow , have control of the device and get the experience of finding a decent sized cache somewhere pleasant without having to worry about the hardware or software.. I want them to get interested in caching, not in the tools of caching. The device / app should be unobtrusive and just do the job . Trouble is, geocaching is a huge, complex, interesting hobby, I mean, all those cache types (trad, unknown, Wherigo, letterbox , virtual, earthcache, webcam, events, CITO not to mention the extra interesting types on other listing sites) all the imposed rules and local customs, the interaction between cachers through logs, it all adds up to a complex and arcane web of information and 'how we do things'. Could any beginner cacher pick up a GPS or an app aimed at all levels of user and five minutes later, go out (without someone who knows the ropes) and have a satisfactory experience ? I doubt it. But .... if I was using an app, that is exactly what I'd expect. I recently branched out to sample another game (no, no barcodes , but time limited virtual points.) I can use my GPS for it, but hey, there's an app. It's a free app built by a participant for the community of that game, no cost, no commercial content, no adverts. So I try it out, and it gives me a map (OSM) and the point to navigate to , a point where I am and a distance. When I get to within 5m of the destination, the map flips to an info screen. No learning curve, no fancy options, it just does the job with no fuss. That is how an app for beginners and casual experimenters needs to behave - straightforward , intuitive and a help not a complication. Is it possible to cram the giant complex tangle that is what geocaching has built into over the years into a tidy, beginner friendly app whilst still catering for the experienced cacher ? No, not without either having inbuilt levels curtailing the beginner options enormously, or offering a specific , cut down beginner app. for the 'download it and instantly go and try it out' users. People expect that kind of ease with an app. I've said it before, but it holds true : I see caching in the future splitting into two different games : the one aimed at the mass market whose simplicity is dictated by the limitations of a simple app for urban/suburban/easy drive by fodder , and then the website based traditional wider game for the enthusiast using a GPS or a fully featured app. Should the task of explaining that app really be down to local groups ? Surely Groundspeak , with 100% control over the app they built need to do the work to make it user friendly, not expect users to ? We set the caches , maintain the caches, some members of the community do many hours of volunteer work, all at no cost to the business because its caching it's our game, we are a community . Groundspeaks responsibility is for maintenance of the database and (if they want to, because it pulls in more money and takes Groundspeak a bit closer to being seen as synonymous with geocaching) the provision of apps.
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