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Bitterroot Range
Bitterroot Range, part of the Rocky Mts., on the Idaho-Mont. line. The main range, running northwest-southeast, includes Trapper Peak (10,175 ft/3,101 m high); Mt. Garfield (10,961 ft/3,341 m), in an east-running spur to the south, is the highest peak. Discovered in the 1804–5 expedition of Lewis and Clark, the rugged mountain range has long been one of the most impenetrable in the United States; except for its foothills, it remains almost completely unexploited.
The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright © 2005, Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.
Unexploited and unexplored may go hand in hand.........
Not totally unexplored, at least from the Montana side.
There area some real nice caches in the valleys on the Montana side of the border.
-J
That is a lonely cache right there.
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We never bring the cache page, and many people who I have cached with think I'm crazy and don't know what I'm getting into, but we've not once regretted not bringing it.
Tools? Experience, I feel that we are "seasoned" cachers and with effort can find any cache. Deductive reasoning will help you eliminate possible spots, and enough thought can pinpoint you to the cache.
In the woods, your best "tracking" is by geo-trail. Most of the trails go within 5 feet of the cache, thats a tight circle easy to search from.
After you find 10 caches, you can find 10,000. No tools are needed to geocache. You don't technically need a GPS, you can use map and compass.
Which we have done as well.
Experience, experience, experience.
Work your way up in the "diffuculty" category, don't start on 5's.
Good luck!
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Given that some rules for placing caches exist to minimize impact, I wonder:
If the cache is placed on private property owned by the cacher, should such rules be enforced? (are they?)
I am planning to place a cache that would be buried at a shallow depth. I don't want to go into greater detail as it would give too much away.
The answer to this question will determine whether the cache is a private "invite only" cache or listed for general consumption.
I've heard of such situations. Contact your reviewer and let them know you own the land. If they balk, run it all the way up to Hydee if you have to. It's your land, you can dig as many holes as you want.
That's my opinion as well.
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If your still there, I would go pick it up and save it completely.
Bad idea. If you're still there, forget the cache and get the hell out, immediately.
I don't want yours to be the next floating corpse I see on CNN.
Seriously, get out.
The voice of reason.
Listen to Rob. If you are in danger, you can replace the cache, but not your life.
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Replace the "I" with an eye to go purely graphic.
or maybe do that and move the eye after the heart to mean " love looking for geocaches"
Keep it simple, I like the original.
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I can't exactly explain the obcession with stealing these Jeeps.
I think it's similar the the adminstering of drugs, it gives the body a high.
For these TB stealing losers, I think you really take the fun out of an amazingly awesome game.
Shame on you.
Nuff said.
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This thread has quickly turned from a meaningless ethics question, to a two or three person boxing match where no one will ever win.
I would like to see more honest people, let's call them idiots, who would rather keep a $2 die-cast Jeep, and spoil fun, then just go out and buy one on their own.
Everyone has good points. Let's just leave it at that.
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I've noticed a person who has 3 White and Yellow Jeeps in their possession. They took these Jeeps back in June, and everywhere they go they log it in, and immediately right back out.
What about us other cachers who want to see these fast fading Jeeps. I don't know if this is against the rules because they are moving it seems every two weeks, but they're always in the same persons hands.
What's the official call on this?
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Would anyone be interested in taking all this to another level? Imagine a less restrictive and more challenging form - where stealth and deception play a much greater role. Compare skydiving to B.A.S.E. Jumping if you will.
Perhaps a few simple rules:
- Sorry, no children.
- Physical caches only - no virtuals.
- Caches may be placed anywhere on the Earth.
- No restriction on digging for initial placement.
- Some part of the container to be visible above-ground.
- No permission required for any placement or recovery.
- No restriction on cache contents other than local laws.
- Caches must never contain any reference to Geocaching.com or Groundspeak.
During placement and recovery, operatives must avoid detection. If detained or questioned, they must be prepared with a cover story that will aid in their escape. Above all, they must never reveal what they are actually doing.
Obviously, this activity would not appeal to everyone but could be exhilarating for those who may choose to participate.
Thoughts?
Let's just place it in a National Park.
So when we're being investigated by the fed's, according to the OP, to log the find after you are in federal prison, you must keep to secrecy.
This idea would be neat if it wasn't so contradicting to so many pivotal rules.
You could even go so far as to say, I bury a waterproof micro ten feet below the earth under a major highway. And I stick a metal rod through the micro and drilled the road in the middle of the night and the metal rod stuck out.
This would be awesome because the metal rod is now considered part of the cache. The finder would have to camouflage themselves as pavement and dodge 8 lanes of traffic while finding the metal rod. They then know where the cache is, but not how deep. So they nonchalantly get a way to figure out the depth of the rod.
When they get the depth of the rod, they can then start mining out the cache, probably a nice 10 foot hole would be nice and comfortable to get under the highway. The tunnel must be supported so the highway doesn't cave in, and a drainage system must be formed so water doesn't start collecting under there. After 150 feet of tunnel, the cache find gets the prize, to log a BIG FAT SMILIE on that cache. But now they must put back all the dirt and make it look like they were never there in the first place.
We could do that!!!
Or we could follow the general rules that keep us from getting imprisoned. -
So, does Where's George Hate Geocaching?
Because if it doesn't, then we can go on without rediscussing rules 10,000 times.
Cache on.
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If there was a 20 Stage Multi in a little park, no one would find it.
If one part got muggled, they would probably give up and archive it.
You may want to PM the owner of the multi-cache you are referring to and maybe they will release the coordinates to the stage you were too close to. If the problem ever occurs again that stages are too close to a part of a multi, usually the owner have no problem giving you the coordinates as a reference point.
Cachers are honest people, and generally don't give you a hard time.
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Thank you all for the replies, especially you Keystone. I am still toying with the idea of using PVC pipe, I just won't be burying it.
Keystone, mind if I PM you in regards to some other cache ideas I have?
You're quite welcome. I am glad to see a new hider with creative ideas here in my immediate home area! That means more good caches for me to find.
I try to keep my forum work here in the forums, so I prefer PM's for moderator related stuff. For cache review stuff, including questions about cache ideas, e-mail is the best. Please note that I, like many reviewers, tend to respond faster to cache submissions that have already been placed, and we answer general inquiries as and when time permits.
Creative new cache hiders in the Pittsburgh area are sure welcomed!
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We carry Sony Cyberhots. Sleek, small, and takes quick pics.
Inexpensive? It depends what kind of money you want to spend.
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Never had a log in problem before. I tried 7 times just now. Any solutions?
Thanks,
Cache on the spot
Try emailing an admin. Or maybe a local approver with your problem.
Also could be a cookie problem. Check Internet Options.
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Hope I'm doing this correctly as I'm a new member of this geocaching site and haven't sent messages like this before.
My son, Tprints, just reached 4000 caches found last weekend and this is also his birthday today so I'm letting you all know. The Alien Encounter event in Cleveland was his 4000th. Congratuations Tom!
Congratulations TPrints! I'll have to get up towards Erie sometime and get some caches in your area.
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With almost all of the caches in a 15-mile radius having been found and the obnoxiously high price of gas, I have found my caching to come to a standstill. While I am endowed enough with a small car and enough money to fill it, I believe in energy conservation, and therefore, have prioritized that driving 50 miles to get a cache is not necessary. However, I still want to cache!
So . . . in these next couple of weeks until the energy crisis is over, I plan on staying local, finding the last 5 or 6 caches, and hiding a lot of caches. Not just simple, cache and dash, but more complex ones. For example, Treasure of Archbald. It is the first cache to be hidden in the Lackawanna Valley/Scranton area and only the second in Lackawanna County. I have another cache I plan to place this week that is a 2-2.5 mile walk along open fields overlooking the town of Archbald, and another one which will be at least a 3 mile walk round-trip. I'm also considering hiding a high terrain-rated letterbox, as the closest one is 45 miles away in the city of Stroudsburg.
So there's a simple solution to the problem of gas prices and caching: it gives you an opportunity to cache in a different way, it enables/inspires people to hide caches locally so they need not drive, and it saves energy!
If you have any caches you've hidden locally in the Northeast during this energy crisis, how about sharing them!
- JD
You rock! Hide complex caches! Hide caches that take a long time to find and are at extremely interesting locations.
If you hide good caches in your area, you may inspire others to do so, and then you'll have more to find.
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Orange is a really good idea during these approaching months. Don't be stupid and not wear it while running through a gamelands.
I don't care how much you think you don't look like a squirrel.
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I see you often ask alot of questions about Pittsburgh. If you want a place to ask questions to people who cache there all the time go to theTRIGO website.
All the people on there are happy to answer any questions you may have. And there's more than 200 cachers getting your message and ready to respond.
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I had to set the GPS recieving to 60CS for mine to accept the messages, for some reason the new Legend and Vista C's both aren't on their "GPS List".
It works well for me now.
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I attempted to place a stage of one of mine by an abutment in a creek. The creek has an island and its not under the bridge, nor does the bridge get more the 20-30 cars cross a day, but it got turned down.
The approver offered to approve it if I could supply pictures and other things, but I'm just too lazy. I'm giving someone else my idea, and they can do the work.
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Oh yeah. I'm that hot.
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Hi all,
Ok so I was doing some searching on the internet, and found several listed places around my local area that urban legends (and perhaps not so urban legend-ish when they have EVP & pictures) have it are haunted.
For the Halloween season (and if it goes well, leave them up longer), I was thinking of setting up a geocaching walking tour around the downtown area close to where I live (there's about 25 within about a 2 mile radius give or take...) where the site/description has the ghost story/history of the "haunted" house, building, town or whatever is creepy about it, and putting micros with logs on signs/planters/etc close by so that those interested could do all or part of the tour, and well.. maybe be a little spooked.
With the "fun" type haunted houses charging $20 per person in the local area for a scare, I figured perhaps the real haunted houses and their stories might be fun for geocachers to do a "self guided" type tour. (Plus it saves gas, is cheaper, and helps people learn local history if the "legends" are partly based in fact!)
a) Thoughts on this type of caching setup? (positives/negatives)
Would this be something that would work in your town? (I know when I travel, I think it'd be a blast to do a local "geocache ghost" tour - even if they're all just urban legend type things.)c) Further expansion of the idea would be to put some in ghost towns that are farther out and so on....
Note that most of the places/info I've found has been based on searching the internet for local ghosts/ghost stories, haunted houses, and urban legends. Also, I found a few cool ideas (to make up the story myself) in the local paper since we've had some graves moved recently, and the grave of a native american has been found while shoring up a building downtown.
Thanks for any ideas/thoughts...
~Rose
Find a local mystery or legend.
Talk to a local and have them give you the story.
And piece together something for that information and tie the story slowly in from cache to cache with maybe laminated paper with another part of the story.
Suspense works. From what I hear.
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Let me explain a bit There is a road in Tallahassee, Fl that as you top the small hill, offers a great view of the State Capitol and the few other buildings that are higher than three storys.
There is a shopping center at the top of the hill and I want to show the view. So, a cache in the parking lot would work very well. There are not a lot of scenic views in this part of Florida, too far to the beach, flat ground, etc etc.
So, although I'm adding to the 'micro in a parking lot' number, do you think this is enough of a reason for a park and grab type of cache?
This is my third hide and the other two I have hidden have been very well received...if you guys remember my last post about hiding a cache.
Inform the establishments owner first and obtain permission.
And if you really think it's that great of a view go right ahead.
If you do talk to the owner/manager and they comply they may tell you places where you could successfully hide a larger cache safely also.
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Go to a local dollar store, and grab interesting stuff.
Plan for:
-Kids
-Adults
-Hikers
Batteries are a good idea sometimes. Compasses, carabiners, and other trinkets.
Would this be something that would work in your town? (I know when I travel, I think it'd be a blast to do a local "geocache ghost" tour - even if they're all just urban legend type things.)
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Spiderline would work. Invisible to the naked eye, almost. And almost indestructible.