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quote:Originally posted by King Pellinore:King Pellinore Okydoky, then...off to find Videx a new home. Hey King, howcum you don't respond to my emails? We just had an IT job open up and we're soliciting resumes!

Are airfares as cheap there as they are here? Come visit, buy 2 (or 3) eTrexs at Best Buy, hit few caches, go home, and sell the extras on eBay....free vacation! quote:Originally posted by Nia: I've been tring to buy a cheep GPS on e-bay so we have less arguments when geocaching. I cant belive what people are paying. I have a brand new eTrex cost me £102.12 +vat total £119.99 from a shop. The last etrex i bid on went for £120 + postage Its just mad!!!! Item Name: Gamin Etrex GPS New and Unopened (Item# 1339183416) Final Price: 120.00 Your Max Bid: 55.00 End Date: 20-Mar-02 08:35 GMT If anyone has an old gps for sale let us know

Are airfares as cheap there as they are here? Come visit, buy 2 (or 3) eTrexs at Best Buy, hit few caches, go home, and sell the extras on eBay....free vacation! quote:Originally posted by Nia: I've been tring to buy a cheep GPS on e-bay so we have less arguments when geocaching. I cant belive what people are paying. I have a brand new eTrex cost me £102.12 +vat total £119.99 from a shop. The last etrex i bid on went for £120 + postage Its just mad!!!! Item Name: Gamin Etrex GPS New and Unopened (Item# 1339183416) Final Price: 120.00 Your Max Bid: 55.00 End Date: 20-Mar-02 08:35 GMT If anyone has an old gps for sale let us know

Hi y'all, (or, as my southern-born wife has informed me: "ya'll". Go figure.) Urban Sprawl has started encroaching on my Vid.Ex. cache and it's little patch of woods is now in the midst of some sort of road construction. So, I need to move it. It's been asked before, but I'll asked again: Is it best to archive Vid.Ex. and create a new VidEx2 cache page, or just update the exisiting page with new coords and a note that it's been moved? I'm leaning toward archiving, since a box of stuff does not a cache make, right? AtDhVaAnNkCsE

Hi y'all, (or, as my southern-born wife has informed me: "ya'll". Go figure.) Urban Sprawl has started encroaching on my Vid.Ex. cache and it's little patch of woods is now in the midst of some sort of road construction. So, I need to move it. It's been asked before, but I'll asked again: Is it best to archive Vid.Ex. and create a new VidEx2 cache page, or just update the exisiting page with new coords and a note that it's been moved? I'm leaning toward archiving, since a box of stuff does not a cache make, right? AtDhVaAnNkCsE

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: We now return you to our regularly scheduled discussion of the relative merit of values as presented by the Bible and Richard Bach. "Do not attempt to control your" PC... Look for cage match on pay-per-view, coming soon.

quote:Originally posted by Misguided One: Hey Worldtraveler & ApK, when I posted my golden rule statements, I wasn't intending to start such a heated discussion. That's ok, this is more fun. quote:BTW, I am inclined to agree with worldtraveler, and IMO Bach's "New" rule sounds a tad anti-social. I Understand from WT's last reply to me where this perspective is coming from, and from that perspective, I must agree. Particularly for teaching children, who have not yet developed an 'internal compass.' HOWEVER, I maintain that Bach's rule is more honest, in that asking someone to introspect and consider thier actions is all that any rule of behavior can hope to do for someone that does have thier values established. ON THE THIRD HAND, I think I like MY rule ("#3") better for a general guidline of consiering other people. There is a difference between 'being judgmental' and 'using good judgment.' The old rule implies that 'your' belief system is best and that everyone else will agree that how you want to be treated is the 'right' way to be treated. I disagree. If a pacifist was being mugged and really wanted to turn the other cheek, would they want a hero coming to thier rescue to 'protect' them? My version only requires you to give thought to what the other person would want. We can't really know, but we can use what info we have to make a more open minded decision. My knife example illustrates this. Thanks for the argument fodder! ApK

quote:Originally posted by Misguided One: Hey Worldtraveler & ApK, when I posted my golden rule statements, I wasn't intending to start such a heated discussion. That's ok, this is more fun. quote:BTW, I am inclined to agree with worldtraveler, and IMO Bach's "New" rule sounds a tad anti-social. I Understand from WT's last reply to me where this perspective is coming from, and from that perspective, I must agree. Particularly for teaching children, who have not yet developed an 'internal compass.' HOWEVER, I maintain that Bach's rule is more honest, in that asking someone to introspect and consider thier actions is all that any rule of behavior can hope to do for someone that does have thier values established. ON THE THIRD HAND, I think I like MY rule ("#3") better for a general guidline of consiering other people. There is a difference between 'being judgmental' and 'using good judgment.' The old rule implies that 'your' belief system is best and that everyone else will agree that how you want to be treated is the 'right' way to be treated. I disagree. If a pacifist was being mugged and really wanted to turn the other cheek, would they want a hero coming to thier rescue to 'protect' them? My version only requires you to give thought to what the other person would want. We can't really know, but we can use what info we have to make a more open minded decision. My knife example illustrates this. Thanks for the argument fodder! ApK

quote:Originally posted by worldtraveler: quote:Originally posted by ApK: The 'Real' golden rule, unfortunatly, imposes your values, beliefs and judgment on everyone else. For example, I want small interesting pocketknives in my caches, sbell111 doesn't want any knives. I would not want sbell111 removing knives from my caches anymore then I would put them in thiers. I think it was Richard Bach who came up with a better, or at least more honest Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you truly feel like doing unto others." It's not perfect, but it will refect what kind of person you are. I started to just shake my head and pass this one by; but then I thought, "No, someone might actually believe this." So here goes... Let's compare these two "Golden Rules" in the sphere of geocaching to see which yields a more satisfactory result. First, I find cache #1 in a terrible state of disrepair. The last finder left the lid open, the interior of the cache is gooey with melted candy, and the few remaining contents are soaked and consist mainly of broken golf tees and chewed up Happy Meal toys. I'm really disgusted to find such a mess after driving 20 miles and hiking another 2 miles to get here. "Old" rule: I ask myself, "If this were my cache and someone else found it in this condition, what would I like for them to do?" A nearly universal answer, based on previous posts in this forum, would be something along the lines of "clean it up, pack out the trash, resupply it with better stuff (if possible), and close it back up and hide it appropriately when finished; then communicate with the cache owner when you get back home." Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging smiley faces. "New" rule: Because I'm so disgusted with what I've found, especially after the long drive and hike, I follow my feelings and throw this lousy, poor-excuse-for-a-cache off the nearby cliff. Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging frowny faces. Next, I find cache #2 soon after it has been visited by a follower of the "Old" rule. It's got all kinds of neat stuff! It was well worth the long drive and hike. "Old" rule: I ask myself, "If this were my cache and someone else found it in this condition, what would I like for them to do?" Again, a nearly universal answer, based on previous posts in this forum, would be something along the lines of, "If you're going to take something, try to leave something of equal or greater value; leave the cache and its surroundings in at least as good condition as you found them." Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging smiley faces. "New" rule: "I invested some serious time and effort to get here, but it really paid off this time; I've hit the motherlode! There's so much neat stuff here, I can't decide what to take. I truly feel like taking it _all_. And my 'New Golden Rule' tells me I should do as I truly feel, so..." Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging frowny faces. Now, which "Golden Rule" do you want to see people practice at _your_ cache? Worldtraveler (Note: Sorry for the edits. I wanted to reword a short section and then introduced a typo.) [This message was edited by worldtraveler on March 20, 2002 at 08:53 AM.] [This message was edited by worldtraveler on March 20, 2002 at 09:00 AM.] Your number 2 scenarios say much more about YOU then they say about the rule, which is why the Bach version is more honest. If someone would really do what you say in #2, then are they perhaps the sort of person who only refrains from murder because it's illegal? Or because they are only thinking about how that person might do murder unto them? It's unlikly that a person like that, a person who doesn't WANT to do the right thing (whatever that means to him/her), would change attitudes in the middle of the woods just because of a cliche karmic warning message, which is what the 'old' rule is. ("What goes around comes around.") Personally, I think if you really need a rule to remind you consider other people, then perhaps a rule like "Do unto other like you really think they want to be done unto" may be a bit less judgmental. Then, the person in your scenarios would ask "gee, do you think this cache owner would really want me to take everything....?"

quote:Originally posted by worldtraveler: quote:Originally posted by ApK: The 'Real' golden rule, unfortunatly, imposes your values, beliefs and judgment on everyone else. For example, I want small interesting pocketknives in my caches, sbell111 doesn't want any knives. I would not want sbell111 removing knives from my caches anymore then I would put them in thiers. I think it was Richard Bach who came up with a better, or at least more honest Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you truly feel like doing unto others." It's not perfect, but it will refect what kind of person you are. I started to just shake my head and pass this one by; but then I thought, "No, someone might actually believe this." So here goes... Let's compare these two "Golden Rules" in the sphere of geocaching to see which yields a more satisfactory result. First, I find cache #1 in a terrible state of disrepair. The last finder left the lid open, the interior of the cache is gooey with melted candy, and the few remaining contents are soaked and consist mainly of broken golf tees and chewed up Happy Meal toys. I'm really disgusted to find such a mess after driving 20 miles and hiking another 2 miles to get here. "Old" rule: I ask myself, "If this were my cache and someone else found it in this condition, what would I like for them to do?" A nearly universal answer, based on previous posts in this forum, would be something along the lines of "clean it up, pack out the trash, resupply it with better stuff (if possible), and close it back up and hide it appropriately when finished; then communicate with the cache owner when you get back home." Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging smiley faces. "New" rule: Because I'm so disgusted with what I've found, especially after the long drive and hike, I follow my feelings and throw this lousy, poor-excuse-for-a-cache off the nearby cliff. Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging frowny faces. Next, I find cache #2 soon after it has been visited by a follower of the "Old" rule. It's got all kinds of neat stuff! It was well worth the long drive and hike. "Old" rule: I ask myself, "If this were my cache and someone else found it in this condition, what would I like for them to do?" Again, a nearly universal answer, based on previous posts in this forum, would be something along the lines of, "If you're going to take something, try to leave something of equal or greater value; leave the cache and its surroundings in at least as good condition as you found them." Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging smiley faces. "New" rule: "I invested some serious time and effort to get here, but it really paid off this time; I've hit the motherlode! There's so much neat stuff here, I can't decide what to take. I truly feel like taking it _all_. And my 'New Golden Rule' tells me I should do as I truly feel, so..." Result? Future cache seekers will likely be logging frowny faces. Now, which "Golden Rule" do you want to see people practice at _your_ cache? Worldtraveler (Note: Sorry for the edits. I wanted to reword a short section and then introduced a typo.) [This message was edited by worldtraveler on March 20, 2002 at 08:53 AM.] [This message was edited by worldtraveler on March 20, 2002 at 09:00 AM.] Your number 2 scenarios say much more about YOU then they say about the rule, which is why the Bach version is more honest. If someone would really do what you say in #2, then are they perhaps the sort of person who only refrains from murder because it's illegal? Or because they are only thinking about how that person might do murder unto them? It's unlikly that a person like that, a person who doesn't WANT to do the right thing (whatever that means to him/her), would change attitudes in the middle of the woods just because of a cliche karmic warning message, which is what the 'old' rule is. ("What goes around comes around.") Personally, I think if you really need a rule to remind you consider other people, then perhaps a rule like "Do unto other like you really think they want to be done unto" may be a bit less judgmental. Then, the person in your scenarios would ask "gee, do you think this cache owner would really want me to take everything....?"

quote:Originally posted by Misguided One: I feel that the "Golden Rule" of life also applies to GEOCACHING. Do unto other's caches as you would have others do unto your caches Another cache I just logged this weekend had The 'Real' golden rule, unfortunatly, imposes your values, beliefs and judgment on everyone else. For example, I want small interesting pocketknives in my caches, sbell111 doesn't want any knives. I would not want sbell111 removing knives from my caches anymore then I would put them in thiers. I think it was Richard Bach who came up with a better, or at least more honest Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you truly feel like doing unto others." It's not perfect, but it will refect what kind of person you are.

quote:Originally posted by Gil: 9/11 CHANGED ALL THAT !!!!! NEW BROOM SWEEPS CLEAN ! Umm... the government seems to disagree with you, as the GPS SA policy statement is dated 9/17. Perhaps you could post your sources of information? Or maybe just check your facts....

quote:Originally posted by inceptor:1. Not all smokers are rude. Name two. Seriously, though, it's sad. I see dozens of smokers every day, and I've never seen one use an ashtray. Even if they're walking by one, I only ever see them litter. quote:I recently saw a good deal on small pocket knives and was going back to get a few. Now I'm glad I didn't. Go get 'em! Don't deprive the rest of us!

quote:Originally posted by inceptor:1. Not all smokers are rude. Name two. Seriously, though, it's sad. I see dozens of smokers every day, and I've never seen one use an ashtray. Even if they're walking by one, I only ever see them litter. quote:I recently saw a good deal on small pocket knives and was going back to get a few. Now I'm glad I didn't. Go get 'em! Don't deprive the rest of us!

quote:Originally posted by sbell111:By the way, add knives to my list. We have seen a great many knives in local caches. I say leave all weapons out. Better Leave out pens and pencils, then, too. And pins. and paper...papercuts are nasty....hoplophobia rears it's ugly head.

quote:Originally posted by Anders: Which means that what we really want is this _Mag-Min_ GPS unit, with all the pros and no cons, in one single unit. Maybe we should start making our own, now when geocaching is transforming into a business anyway??? http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/avatar/24148_200.jpg Anders Yeah! I have a roll of duct tape and a swiss army knife, I'll do what I can!

For 'real' hiking, I have a set of trekking poles from EMS. I always used to try to find a stick on the trail, and use it just the once. My wife gave me a combination hiking stick/bamboo flute/compass and that's now our official caching stick.

quote:Originally posted by harrkev: quote:Originally posted by Geoffrey:As far as this message thread goes, I believe that the best way to go is to save up and get the GPS V. Everything about it is excelent, including the readability of the display. I just got a Meridian. However, if Garmin made a version of the V that took SD cards, or at least made a V with around 64MB for maps, then I would have purchased one in a heartbeat. Or any removable memory card, even Garmin's for that matter. As it is, you can get both the eMap AND the Meridian for the price of a V.

quote:Originally posted by harrkev: And to download 128MB of map data, I just take out the card, pop it in the SD writer, and POOF! In a few minutes I have several states written! Try that one ...and I just pop in the same size chip with superior Mapsource data into my GARMIN eMap, Poof! Now, if the little sucker was just waterproof, armored, had WAAS, better antennae.... [] Seriously, though, it's good to know that others gave requested similar functionaility in the Magellans. Perhaps I can look forward to it in upcoming update. Thank goodness for flashable firmware!

quote:Originally posted by harrkev: And to download 128MB of map data, I just take out the card, pop it in the SD writer, and POOF! In a few minutes I have several states written! Try that one ...and I just pop in the same size chip with superior Mapsource data into my GARMIN eMap, Poof! Now, if the little sucker was just waterproof, armored, had WAAS, better antennae.... [] Seriously, though, it's good to know that others gave requested similar functionaility in the Magellans. Perhaps I can look forward to it in upcoming update. Thank goodness for flashable firmware!

quote:Originally posted by infosponge: 1. the car power adapter is an easy click in and click out process Good to know, thanks! quote:2. With a route or goto active, there are several screens which either draw a course line or indicate how to get to your destination. You have several options! What she wants is a graphical indicator of direction to destination (bearing) on the street map screen, either an arrow pointing 'thataway' or a line from current position to waypoint.

Hi Y'all, keknj has expressed two concerns over her new MeriGreen. Maybe you can offer some insights before I have take her GPS shopping again. . .. 1. The car power adapter is a pain to screw in and out. Anyone know if the mounting brackets offer a quick-connect or something, or has anyone tried using a cam device to replace the screw? 2. My eMap always shows a line on the map screen connecting your current position with your destination waypoint. She likes this for road navigation because, lacking door to door routing, it gives a sense of when you might want to make a turn, even if your waypoint isn't visible at the current map scale. The Meri seems to draw a line from where you were when you set the waypoint (more useful for watching cross-track error while hiking, I guess. Does the Meri have feature to always draw a line (or at least point an arrow?) toward your destination on the map screen that perhaps from one of those hidden menus? Or has anyone heard if an upcoming software release will have this feature? Thanks heaps. ApK

quote:Originally posted by steveg1966: I bought this because I wanted to try GeoCaching, but decided that it's not for me. You sure you want to give it up? The MeriGold with detail maps makes a fine electronic atlas to have in the car on road trips. Some folks actually buy them with out even knowing about geocaching. :-)

quote:Originally posted by TeamWSMF: If your tired of setting up chachkie caches why not consider doing the old Letterbox type cash. Those are fine, but my point is, I LIKE chachkie caches! (May we make that the official name now?) It's FUN to find a hidden prize! And, sure, if I find an item I musthave while out buying cache prizes, I'll get an extra, as some one mentioned, but that's not the same as FINDING it, have the stories and the memories attached to a physical item. It just seems a tad cooler to say think "yeah, I earned this superball. I was hanging over a cliff and navigating to a hidden treasure cache." then to just feel "I traded a slightly better superball for this." QSLs are great, orienteering is great, hiking is great, spending time outdoors with friends is great. Getting a prize is great, too. That's all I mean. Time to go and re-stock Nymph now....

quote:Originally posted by phantom4099: What do you mean by the screen quality is better? Since the emap display is 1.7" * 2.2" with 120*160 pixels, and the meridian is 1.75"*2.2" with the same number of pixels. It would seem that the clarity would be about the same. Yeah, you'd think so. It's the difference between paper specs and actual execution. Fonts are sharper and more readable on the eMap, menus look more polished, street maps are easier to read, lines are clearer. I suspect that Garmin just had a better UI designer. It's partially subjective, I guess, but I'm sitting here with the eMap in one hand and the Meridian in the other* and the eMap just looks better...more professional. ApK * So then you may ask, how am I typing?