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quote:Originally posted by Last Lap Gang:........ Oh, and this poll isn't very clear. I had a hard time distinguishing just how to vote. I actually could have voted in two categories. Yes, ideally, it is best to sign the log to clarify a find, but if we only found CONTENTS or REMNANTS of an obvious (and if it wasn't obvious, we'd contact the hider before claiming it found) cache, we'd probably claim that as found too. Oh, I'm sorry. I would have hoped the first choice was considered the "ideal" and those below it less than "ideal" (my ideal). So in your case as described, choice 3 would be the selection. I've sent off for the "Beginner's Guide to setting a perfect poll", but it hasn't arrived yet. But seriously, I've thought of variations on the choices too - and I'm sure others have. I hope this won't detract from your geocaching pleasure in the future Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by Prime Suspect:Have you ever created a poll for no apparent reason? _Choices:_ * Gosh yes * All the time * It's what I live for http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/3608_1400.gif Now this is a poll: vote now! Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

Steady. Isn't it about time there was a support group set up to help with this level of reaction? My wife lets me hunt plastic boxes (humours me). If she could see this kind of reaction to plastic boxes and computer stuff that would be it! Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

this page will help. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

but then again, I don't go out looking for them. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by BigHank:........... This is a good topic, I would hate to see it get to the point where people were claiming "finds" based on driving to near where they think the cache should be. I'm pretty surprised it has gone smoothly (so far) - just a small off topic bit on logging on line (which is important though). I thought there would be more comments from the "numbers don't matter" contingent. I didn't think there would be any votes for getting close; I was just filling up the choices. Still, would have thought the total votes would have been higher. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by Greenjeens:After breaking small branches (POISON OAK) around caches, don't touch privates while peeing. ....... Other ranks are acceptable to touch while peeing then? (Sorry - I know it's pathetic). Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by Anders:.......... If I had found the lid of the cache container only, no book nor anything else, I would log as a "No find" and describe what I did find. Then the owner could go there and fix it, or disable it, if he preferred that. Anders OK - now we are widening the discussion - what constitutes a No Find? Probably should be another poll. For me, the situation you describe I would log as a Note. It's not like I looked for the cache and couldn't find it (I've found part of it albeit maybe not at the coordinates intended). Maybe if it hadn't been trashed I would have found it, maybe not; but even I wouldn't be so hard on myself to log a No Find in this situation. (Yes I know No Finds are "OK", and my therapist has explained this, but there's no point in proclaiming a failure if you don't need to, is there?). Now maybe failure is too strong a word.....(that's why I'm seeing the therapist ). Still, it's better than logging a Find IMHO Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by Web-ling:.......... It's just not all that common to find "part" of a cache, so I'm not sure what the big deal is. In my case, I have two "questionable" finds of "partial" caches out of over 500 caches found. I'm sure not going to lose any sleep over less than 0.4% of my finds being "questionable" to some other cachers. ...... There is no big deal - just a simple poll in which 85% of the participants think the log book is important. But the turn out of voters has been very poor - only 47 votes out of 27k members; maybe the weather kept them at home. So it's probably not a very meaningfull result with such a low sample. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum [This message was edited by crr003 on January 14, 2003 at 03:46 AM.]

quote:Originally posted by Rusty O Junk:I know you said no Markwelling but the cache gremlins made me do it, go http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic. Guess the gremins are messing with you - the link only goes to the forum main page? Oh - did you vote?? Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

Sorry, the links aren't going anywhere special. A simple base plate compass is adequate. You can take a bearing and measure distances on a map (which you will of course have with you ) For when your GPS batteries run out! Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by worldtraveler: quote:Originally posted by crr003:Nah, sorry - if _you_ don't sign the log book _you_ don't claim it (IMHO)... Oh yes _I_ do! And that's not just my _opinion_, it's a _fact_! quote:Now maybe if the log is soaking wet and you can't physically sign it - I'd just add a piece of paper for a physical log (if I didn't have a spare log book). But then again if I wasn't sure I was putting the cache back in the original hider's position, I wouldn't claim it... You evidently didn't read the part where I said these were _destroyed_ caches. There was no intact container in which to put a new logbook! One of the caches had been run over by a bush hog mower. The tupperware container and contents were pretty well shredded. I did find the logbook, but I didn't sign it. I took it home and emailed the owner. He didn't want it and told me to just keep it or throw it away. I found just the weathered and faded out log page from the second cache (a micro). Someone had stolen the container and thrown the log page on the ground. I didn't sign it, either. What would be the point? I _did_ find both caches, however, and that's why I logged them as found (along with the news they had been destroyed and plundered.) Worldtraveler OK, now it's getting interesting! - I've just had the experience of finding a cache obviously violated and no log book to be found - I put a piece of paper in as a temp. log book and signed it, but I couldn't be sure where to put the cache back so I put it somewhere close and emailed the owner. I didn't claim it as I actually did not find it at its published coords (But it was obviously the cache - it said it on the container) - talk about anally retentive! But that's just me. Hence the poll. If you can sleep at night with your convoluted justification, so be it (just kidding ) It is a game and I'm just trying to highlight the complexities to the new players. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by welch: quote:Originally posted by crr003:Maybe I should have added an "interested but just passing through - no vote" choice. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum Or maybe a "Don't know/Don't care" for those who can't decide. http://brillig.com/geocaching/http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/22008_1700.gif http://www.gpgeocaching.com/ I think you and me are the only one's interested in this! I sort of hoped the "Don't be judgmental - who cares about numbers?" would have dealt with this option. Now it's up to 16 votes out of 136 views - pathetic! Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by welch: quote:Originally posted by crr003:Exactly - a box with "geocaching" on the side would indicate a real sign of a valid cache. Now, you need to ask yourself one question - is it actually at the location specified, or maybe tossed out onto a path for anyone to find? Another question to ask, is a cache without a specified location really a cache? quote:Do you claim the find? Did you really find it or are you accepting an easy questionable find? To me, the requirements for claiming a find, and if a cache is too easy should you log it, are two different debates. Which one do you want to follow? quote:I've seen a claim for a find that found a speck of green paint at the location and the cache was documented as painted green. Yea , to me you should have found the cache(or what was the cache), and signed the logbook(unless impossiable like no log, or logs damaged). quote:All I'm asking for is the answer to the ultimate question - "If you don't sign the log book, is it a find?" Thats like, "is the glass half full or half empty?" It just DEPENDS on how you look at it http://brillig.com/geocaching/http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/22008_1700.gif http://www.gpgeocaching.com/ Jeez Welch, this is getting far too complicated! That's why I asked for a vote! Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by welch: quote:Originally posted by crr003:Sure, I know it's been discussed before (hence the no Markwelling comment), but I feel that the concept is intrinsic to the spirit of the game/sport/hobby. As we are now receiving the Christmas entry of new GPS receiver owners, I thought it reasonable to raise the question - and everyone should vote - it's free. And if you really have to think about it.......maybe it deserves more discussion? Nil Satis Nisi Optimum Sure, hence my response. And the lack of any linking... http://brillig.com/geocaching/http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/22008_1700.gif http://www.gpgeocaching.com/ Point taken - I guess I get bothered with polls that get many views and a small amount of votes. I'd thought of asking if it could be mandatory to vote when entering a poll thread. But then I realize some viewers might not feel happy or competent/experienced enough to vote on the topics raised. Maybe I should have added an "interested but just passing through - no vote" choice. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by worldtraveler:...... And on two occasions thus far I've found definite remnants of destroyed caches at the posted coordinates. I've logged those as "found" because I _found_ them (or at least what was left of them.) ...... Worldtraveler Nah, sorry - if you don't sign the log book you don't claim it (IMHO). Now maybe if the log is soaking wet and you can't physically sign it - I'd just add a piece of paper for a physical log (if I didn't have a spare log book). But then again if I wasn't sure I was putting the cache back in the original hider's position, I wouldn't claim it. Just my opinion, but them again it's my poll question - Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by welch:"Found definite signs of the cache - the container maybe, but no log book" Whats definite? If I found a busted up container that said geocache down the side, I could see claiming that. But not for finding say, an empty ziplock, or something else that may or may not have come from a geocache. http://brillig.com/geocaching/http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/22008_1700.gif http://www.gpgeocaching.com/ Exactly - a box with "geocaching" on the side would indicate a real sign of a valid cache. Now, you need to ask yourself one question - is it actually at the location specified, or maybe tossed out onto a path for anyone to find? Do you claim the find? Did you really find it or are you accepting an easy questionable find? I've seen a claim for a find that found a speck of green paint at the location and the cache was documented as painted green. All I'm asking for is the answer to the ultimate question - "If you don't sign the log book, is it a find?" Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

Sure, I know it's been discussed before (hence the no Markwelling comment), but I feel that the concept is intrinsic to the spirit of the game/sport/hobby. As we are now receiving the Christmas entry of new GPS receiver owners, I thought it reasonable to raise the question - and everyone should vote - it's free. And if you really have to think about it.......maybe it deserves more discussion? Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

Hmm - 44 views and 10 votes No one is tracking your response - surely everyone has a vote on this, the most basic of decisions? Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by TAT:Where is Burxina? and is there realy a cache there? No; no there isn't - otherwise it would show up in the list with a cache. In an earlier post, it was mentioned that Burkina Fasso was the new name for Upper Volta, and that Burxina probably should have been BF. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

As we are into a new season of cachers, I thought I would pose this question for clarification by the forum members/visitors. No markwelling - a simple vote is all that's required. For real (traditional) caches - Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

I had a lot of issues downloading to Garmin via serial port until I turned off the IR port. Don't know why but everything works fine now - GPS download, VisualGPS (used to lock up), even Palm sync is quicker. FWIW. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

quote:Originally posted by TJ-Tigger:remove multiple waypoints at one time on the Garmin GPS V. I would think that there would be a way. What if I want to remove all the maps and waypoints and then reload the system. Say if I travel to a different state and I load waypoints and maps for that state. Then when I return home, I want to free that space for maps and waypoints for home. I have looked through the manual but all I can find is how to delete one waypoint at a time. Thanks On the 3+ you can delete (it's in the manual): a) individual WP by symbol c) all WP I would think the V has at least the same options? Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

How does the log reporting work? Why don't the logs get listed in the order entered? To elaborate - if I enter several logs in a day, they are not shown in the order entered. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

Trinidad & Tobago Self confessed vaction cache - bring on the cache police Nil Satis Nisi Optimum