4wheelin_fool

The sock connection. His name is Mark Gessner. He wrote a book, First to Find. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003R0LNPQ/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/187-3039114-3349611 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=296755

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You shouldn't move it too far, or it's not the same cache. How about cleaning the area or archiving it with a new replacement somewhere else?

There's scholarships available for playing video games, so why not? http://college.usatoday.com/2015/01/06/kentucky-college-to-offer-video-game-scholarships/

Or just put an old receipt in and sign that. Who cares! Do whatever you want, cache owner be damned! Yeah, why not? I've done it. The reality is that most cache owners are not active, and the majority who have joined are not participating anymore. If one needs to be fixed, then in most cases it should be fine. Upload a photo of the log sheet and add a receipt as a replacement if it needs it. Most cache owners appreciate it. Repairing a cache is much different than adding a new one without knowing much about the old one. The other option is to let it degrade and turn into mush until it finally gets archived into litter. If we archive caches with inactive owners, the majority would be gone. However if the cache owner is simply expecting community maintenance right from the start, then there's a problem. Given how many people are constantly complaining about not being able to place caches due to saturation and proximity issues, I am pretty confident that archival in most of these cases would just mean space for a new cache owner to use the same spot. There are very few caches worthy of life support. Even the good ones can be re-listed by someone who is still playing. In different areas, the approach should vary. A cache dense area with constant visitors should certainly have finders task the CO to fix it. In other places the archival would result in an empty hole in the map for several years. Why task an inactive CO to hike several miles to the middle of nowhere when an easy fix is available?

It might be that someone contacted the reviewer because they want to hide a cache on the accessible side of the trail but this inaccessible abandoned cache is blocking the placement. That's the conspiracy theory. Occam's razor would say that it was the result of a PQ for a DNF and no finds in 2 years. Wait a minute. Which one's the conspiracy theory here? Someone emailing the reviewer behind the scenes in an attempt for archival is the conspiracy theory. The simplest explanation is the DNFs and no recent finds PQ.

If it's disabled or archived it won't show up on the app. The intro app only has a limited amout available .

Maybe you should reconsider if cache ownership is for you. Not all logs are sugar coated. Most logs are sugar coated. Usually there is no indication of any problems until a DNF. An entire page of TFTC means what, exactly? Either the cache was lousy, or the logger was lazy? T That's until someone can't find it. This means they don't get a smiley, so they are already upset. It also means that the 2 minute quick search turns into a 30 minute forensic investigation of the eating, drinking, and sexual habits of everyone who left evidence nearby GZ.

It might be that someone contacted the reviewer because they want to hide a cache on the accessible side of the trail but this inaccessible abandoned cache is blocking the placement. That's the conspiracy theory. Occam's razor would say that it was the result of a PQ for a DNF and no finds in 2 years.

Yes, they likely were in the wrong location, and perhaps a geo checker is needed, but with DNFs people end up finding plenty of things that most others don't. I don't think it's " normal" for folks to discard dog poo like that, but it sure seems to be popular in places around here. Going for a walk and noticing multiple bags of poo hanging from trees and bushes is certainly bizarre. I can only suspect that in these cases it's the same person who has a daily routine to walk their pet in the same place, although being that it's biodegradable the habit makes little sense. There's a spot around here where there are dozens of full garbage bags dumped every fall, full of leaves. That's what game cameras and YouTube are for.

An off-the-logs, behind the scenes scenario is the very definition of conspiracy. There may be some wacko removing caches and leaving notes, and that could be the reason, as to not give them any attention, but there's nothing positive about that either. I think a reviewer note versus disablement is an overall improvement.

Id say that it's nice that they posted a note asking to check on it, rather than disabling it. I dont know... very likely will get disable at the next DNF log. Just hope the next DNF logger was really at GZ. That cache got a special place in my heart. Its really a beautiful area. Its one of the oldest caches in Douglas County. I'd hate to say it, but in these cases a fake find from a sock might be a good thing. Since it appears that there are people mesmerized with an online log belief system in "knowing" about the hide without visiting, perhaps a simple found it log indicating everything is in good order would put a stop to the silliness.

Or just put an old receipt in and sign that. Who cares! Do whatever you want, cache owner be damned! Yeah, why not? I've done it. The reality is that most cache owners are not active, and the majority who have joined are not participating anymore. If one needs to be fixed, then in most cases it should be fine. Upload a photo of the log sheet and add a receipt as a replacement if it needs it. Most cache owners appreciate it. Repairing a cache is much different than adding a new one without knowing much about the old one. The other option is to let it degrade and turn into mush until it finally gets archived into litter. If we archive caches with inactive owners, the majority would be gone. However if the cache owner is simply expecting community maintenance right from the start, then there's a problem.

Id say that it's nice that they posted a note asking to check on it, rather than disabling it.

Yep. It felt like cheating just a bit, but once I stepped back and considered the hours spent sketching, measuring, modelling, printing, sanding, painting and finishing, it didn't seem so easy (though, I'll admit, I still feels just a tiny bit like cheating) Nope, not water resistant at all, but neither are wasp nests. Wasps rarely build someplace exposed, so placement is crucial, not just for the life of the logsheet inside, but for proper camouflage. It would only work in the winter as a park shelter hide. Parks and Rec come through with a pressure washer regularly in the summer to knock down the wasp nests. I don't mind replacing log sheets frequently, but I don't want to have to remake this every month during the summer. Fortunately, all I have to do is look where wasps like to build and find a similar spot. Or you can soak it with several applications of clear coat spray. I hid a bison tube attached to a retractable cord and covered it with actual bees nests covered in clear spray. It held up great to the weather, but not to the person who hacked away at the tree to remove it..

I know what you're thinking. "Did he hide six caches or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a Garmin Monterra, the most powerful consumer grade GPS in the world, and would blow your mind clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?

The throwdown was placed 6/16/2012 and commented on 2 months later, and what apparently caused the problem. It appears to be a tube wrapped in black electrical tape. Nope. Because the log you mention as commenting on it two months later says that the last signature in the small, not a micro, was October 2011. And I have already posted a link to a log from 2010 that says "found both, very confusing". Bottom line? This cache owner did not place a pipe bomb looking small at this location. The only picture of a geocache in the entire gallery is one of those black film canisters with the lid attached to the body. Well, nobody really knows for sure, do they? In May of 2010 another container was found nearby without any signatures, but appeared as if it had been there for awhile. There's likely a throwdown, as well as a container from another site. Perhaps even a throwdown from another site, if there is such a thing. The news photo shows something wrapped in electrical tape. Perhaps someone found an actual bomb and dumped out the gunpowder, not knowing what it was and placed a log sheet in it.

Apparently I do because it seems some people still don't understand the definition of the word courtesy. I thought it was very kind of you to repeat the definition of courtesy. Thank you very much. You didn't have to do that. With anything else, when the majority tend to do something, it's often taken for granted, and the minority are sometimes frowned upon, whether it's adding geocheckers, or logging a FTF within a few minutes. Once people get used to "everyone" doing something, then it no longer is a courtesy, but expected. Unfortunately.

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I would think this thread fits into either the TB forum or off topic. Perhaps it was only meant to be dipped into this forum for mileage. Well said, Non. (No, not you, Mon, I mean Non!) I'm still trying to figure out how a "fear" thread became a car thread overnight. How'd you pull off *that* heist, Mon? (Not Non.) I don't know why you are calling me Mon, and have no idea about how you think your post is on topic either. But hey, here's a trackable that is like a cacher, or perhaps a cacher that is a trackable.

The throwdown was placed 6/16/2012 and commented on 2 months later, and what apparently caused the problem. It appears to be a tube wrapped in black electrical tape. Now if there was a question of reimbursing the costs of investigation, the question is really who owns throwdowns?

It should be fine to go caching with adults, but in groups, not with individuals. Post a note to your local group for a caching club get together and try to get at least 4 other people to go along.

I would think this thread fits into either the TB forum or off topic. Perhaps it was only meant to be dipped into this forum for mileage.

The last time we were there, we went looking for a cache and gave up quickly. There's too many shops to enjoy to spend time poking around behind a business.

Despite how lousy it may be, there always is someone who may enjoy it. The problem is the percentage of these types of caches greatly outnumber the percentage of geocachers that like them. This is evident when discovering that the majority of people that join the site, drop out. Some find a few, others hide a few, many may stick around for years, but the constant is that the majority simply aren't interested in staying. There simply are no filters for broken glass, condoms, and garbage. It's one thing for someone to go there themself, but to invite strangers to these types of places is actually pretty bizarre. It's a combination of apathy, ignorance, and ego. We have a rating system that awards positive points and no negative. This is also often reflected in the logs with TFTC and other words which don't say much of anything. They hated it? Or are they a lazy logger? If someone doesn't like these type of hides, they should feel free to say so, whether it's on the cache page or in the forums.