4wheelin_fool

Geez, most places have a 2 week to one month return policy. LLBean and REI both allow unlimited returns for as long as you own it.

As long as you have the receipt, I'm sure you still have time to bring it back and consider it a free rental.

Exactly. If you can't a find a guideline to fit a your needs, just throw one down.

Well, ok then. The guidelines are often more flexible than people are, and perhaps it should be the other way around.

I'm pretty sure that Groundspeak wrote that as a response to a few incidents regarding geocachers discovering a throwdown at their cache, and subsequently deleting the found log of everyone who signed it. The first signatures were likely the guilty party, but not the others. It also may have screwed up a few milestones which resulted in the milestone locking feature. There is a fine line between honestly trying to help the CO, and selfishly helping yourself to a smiley without considering the consequences. Since some COs like throwdowns at their hides, and others don't, this will always be an endless conflict.

It is just a question of credibility... One of the world problems, it is that there are idiots full of certainties and geniuses full of doubts... I think we need to choose wisely our own path. And I don't think that it's very wise to infer that the OP is an idiot that is not credible, while at the same time being quick to say for certain that it wasn't another cacher. Geocaches often disappear frequently without any malice, but when several are missing at once with someone leaving taunting notes, that's a different story. I'm rather curious how someone could be so certain that it wasn't another geocacher. Your words, not mine. Personally I only would make such a harsh claim with proofs, without any proof, would not be credible. Simply that. Those pretty much are your words. It's actually fairly common for a criminal to taunt the victim and/or the police about what they did by saying there is no proof. In this case it certainly appears that another cacher did that, and that the meme is continuing here.

It is just a question of credibility... One of the world problems, it is that there are idiots full of certainties and geniuses full of doubts... I think we need to choose wisely our own path. And I don't think that it's very wise to infer that the OP is an idiot that is not credible, while at the same time being quick to say for certain that it wasn't another cacher. Geocaches often disappear frequently without any malice, but when several are missing at once with someone leaving taunting notes, that's a different story. I'm rather curious how someone could be so certain that it wasn't another geocacher.

Your understanding of instigation is so wrongful like some other misconceptions you do... mainly every different opinion will be considered as an instigation, by you. Sad. Based on what he said it sure seems that other geocachers are stealing his caches, due to his insistence of following the guidelines and his posts on Facebook. That's what is sad.

Yeah... we geocache with extreme caution whenever we're in the US. Compared to here, it can be a little scary! Believe me, it will get worse if someone finds out you are from the land of Rob Ford and Justin Bieber.

Exactly. Back in the old days, the log was called Should Be Archived, and abbreviated SBA. Then the kinder gentler (and less grammatically correct) log name Needs Archived was introduced, and it is abbreviated NA. Exactly. It was also thought that being associated with the Small Business Association was too benign, and that Narcotics Anonymous was more exciting.

My post count is about double my find count, but I've never really stalked anyone's profile for those figures. The only time that I dive into profiles is if I suspect a sock, or if someone needs assistance with something. I don't know why a high post count would bother someone, as most people are likely stuck somewhere where they cannot find a cache. What irks me is any type.of numerical judgement by anyone for any reason.

Pleeeeeease tell me they don't say "Drop your weapon!" as I hold an $800 GPSr high the the air, standing on a concrete sidewalk. (And the gun is a semi-automatic rifle.) You apparently haven't seen my blueprints for building a zip gun which fits inside of a Garmin 60CSX and fires radically invasive 9mm projectiles.

Now there's an idea I like! ? No, you have to use random Johnny Cash lyrics. I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Now when I hear that whistle blowing I hang my head and cry.

Between: - Geocaching Tourists (not all) coming here because of the only APE cache and placing throwdowns in almost every cache they can´t find and saying: "I hope the owner doesn´t mind..."; - Local Geocachers (not all, but most) trying to breach the guidelines by hiding facts from the cache so it is published; - The reviewers are Portuguese, living 8.000km away, and don´t know the cultural habits and local rules (I had to explain local laws to them more than once); - When the cops suspect you are doing anything that you shouldn´t be doing, like geocaching, they point a gun at you and say: "hands in the air, don´t move" even if you are in a public park, walking around with a backpack; - You can´t go out geocaching at night because it is too dangerous to stop your car, even the cops advice not to stop at a red light at night after midnight. YEAHHHH... I think you really got it!!!! Is geocaching legal in Brazil? Sounds like a tough place I would not visit. The last two points occur in Camden, NJ as well, and geocaching is legal there as well. I think we could add at least 4 New Jersey Cities to that list. The first point is a very good one that most of us North Americans would overlook, and helps to explain the OP's rigid anti throwdown stance. There is a very very high incidence of throwdowns on "tourist caches" in Countries where Geocaching is not all that popular. As far as the very last point Jpreto made, does that mean it's too dangerous to stop your car at a light after midnight anywhere in the Country?? I think there's a city in every state that we could add to that list, and the local cache owners would likely allow throwdowns, as well as despise any type of "narking" about silly guidelines.

Between: - Geocaching Tourists (not all) coming here because of the only APE cache and placing throwdowns in almost every cache they can´t find and saying: "I hope the owner doesn´t mind..."; - Local Geocachers (not all, but most) trying to breach the guidelines by hiding facts from the cache so it is published; - The reviewers are Portuguese, living 8.000km away, and don´t know the cultural habits and local rules (I had to explain local laws to them more than once); - When the cops suspect you are doing anything that you shouldn´t be doing, like geocaching, they point a gun at you and say: "hands in the air, don´t move" even if you are in a public park, walking around with a backpack; - You can´t go out geocaching at night because it is too dangerous to stop your car, even the cops advice not to stop at a red light at night after midnight. YEAHHHH... I think you really got it!!!! I get the feeling that living a country with a high crime rate and rampant police corruption might make anyone inclined toward becoming a vigilante. Perhaps it's better that JPreto has turned this inclination toward geocaching. It's actually directly related to the prevalence of people who are unlikely to follow any type of authority, including following geocaching guidelines, and allowing throwdowns. I'd also guess that geocachers would rather place a throwdown, than spend an extended amount of time looking suspicious trying to find something that would be difficult to explain to most people. So, yes it is on topic. Personally I don't really like throwdowns, but if I know for sure that the original is missing and the owner doesn't mind, I'll log it. I'm not obsessed enough yet to demand proof that the owner officially condones it.

Between: - Geocaching Tourists (not all) coming here because of the only APE cache and placing throwdowns in almost every cache they can´t find and saying: "I hope the owner doesn´t mind..."; - Local Geocachers (not all, but most) trying to breach the guidelines by hiding facts from the cache so it is published; - The reviewers are Portuguese, living 8.000km away, and don´t know the cultural habits and local rules (I had to explain local laws to them more than once); - When the cops suspect you are doing anything that you shouldn´t be doing, like geocaching, they point a gun at you and say: "hands in the air, don´t move" even if you are in a public park, walking around with a backpack; - You can´t go out geocaching at night because it is too dangerous to stop your car, even the cops advice not to stop at a red light at night after midnight. YEAHHHH... I think you really got it!!!! Is geocaching legal in Brazil? Sounds like a tough place I would not visit. The last two points occur in Camden, NJ as well, and geocaching is legal there as well.

I think the imagined drama is what the issue is here, in sharp contrast to reality. I have a series of paddle tos that we do maintenance on in the spring. Usually there is about a half dozen fishing lures caught in trees along the way, which I remove and stick a small piece of wood in the hooks before placing them in a small cache at the end of the trail on an island, and I never imagined that there would be people being alarmed by their presence. There are plenty of other hazards to be afraid of, such as bees in LPCs and guardrail hides, wild rabid rodents and snakes in the woods, as well as small sinkholes and poison ivy. I think the average person over the age of 12 would know better than to reach into any container found in the woods blindly, and stick their hand in without looking. I'm aware of people who post Needs Maintenance logs for poison ivy, and I suppose that this is along the same lines of that..

I'm a bit curious of the main differences between a throwdown absolutist and a Puritan. Are they different species, or is one devolved from the other? What are the genetic differences, as well as any specific affinity for wearing certain types of underclothing, such as knickers or briefs.

I strongly disagree with this. It has always been the norm that a cache owner can assign some maintenance duties to be performed by others on his behalf. 'Throwdowns' with permission of the cache owner is, therefore, owner maintenance. If that maintenance ends up requiring the cache to need additional maintenance (because the original cache was still in place or the replacement was defective) then the owner needs to make a maintenance visit or arrange for someone else to. It isn't much different, but either way it doesn't matter. The cache owner is the arbiter of whether it is a find. If he's good with it, why in the world should I care? For proper geo-etiquette the cache owner should send the page to the throwdowner through the adoption feature. Next, the throwdowner posts an Owner Maintenance log, and sends it back to them. Silly, yes, but it makes it official.

Looks good. You'd better ramp up those DNF's though, I have a much higher percentage. If GS added this functionality so that everyone had the correct number of DNFs on the profile, two things would happen. Some would ask for the ability to hide it. Some people would stopping posting DNF logs. That's true, but also some people would start posting their DNFs, and others would post more than usual. In any case there should be an option to keep it hidden, although it should be shown by default.

Yeah, I heard a story today about a groundhog that had burrowed into a grave of someone buried in 1776, and brought part of their skull and facial bones to the surface. The finders called the police who advised them to kick the body parts back down in the hole and contact the historical society.

Ceux sont les caches de puzzle. Habituellement il n'y a pas un cache, ou les étapes d'une cache à cet endroit. Vous devez lire la description et résolvez des énigmes pour trouver les coordonnées. Bonne Chance!

No. That would be bribery.

Bump! There's no doubt that some feel this way - it's just that the view of a tiny minority is being waved like a red flag in front of a bull! Someone needs more drama, & this thread caters to that need. It's one step above pro wrestling. Well, it keeps coming up because, frankly it's true. Premium members are elitists. I was at an event not too long ago and I was a bit disturbed when another geocacher let loose a burst of flattulence. I checked, and they were indeed, a premium member. I reminded them of proper premium member conduct, and told them that if it continued, I would notify Groundspeak and ask to have their premium membership suspended. They apologized and explained that it was due to an unfortunate combination of Valium and bean burritos. If they were a regular member I wouldn't have said anything at all. Also, a few months ago, I was pulled over for doing 87 in a 65. I asked the officer if he's heard of Freemasonry. He said that he had. I then told him that I was not a Freemason, but an official Groundspeak Premium member and mentioned that the police chief might be one also. He then asked me to watch my speed and apologized for stopping me. It's nice being elite.

I think somebody wishes they lived in a socialist paradise where they could set the rules for proper human behavior. Why, in such a world they'd be elite for having the proper thinking. There, I said it. It's not often you can become "elite" by paying only $30! That's a bargain! And why can't that member come here and speak for himself/herself?? It's hard to type on the forum when you're a figment of someone's imagination. You mean like a ghostly sock puppet??? Shocking! I don't see any evidence of how they could be making it up. There have been numerous threads about the topic over the years, enough to fill an entire page, along with several that are locked, out of wmpastor's bumping reach..