justintim1999
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5 minutes ago, Touchstone said:
Digging a bit deeper, it looks like the Preserve is owned by a private non profit agency, so I would treat the area as private property, and not use the same justification of, say a public park or open space. That being said, the private agency can dictate the land use in any way they see fit. Going to the trail page for the Preserve, it's pretty clearly spelled out that they expect people to remain on the trails they've developed.
Looking at the Listing page in question, the latest entry is a Note of someone that declined to go off trail to retrieve the cache due to the concern for the rules of the Preserve. The Listing was Published nearly 10 years ago, while the Preserve was probably just getting developed (land acquired in 2003 and trail construction began 2005). It might be that the rules for the Preserve were just being discussed when the cache was placed, or perhaps they weren't very well publicized yet. The cache owner has not logged on to the site in a couple of years, so contacting them may be a pointless gesture.
Taking all things into account, I don't believe you'd be labeled as a busy body, by taking some action on the cache, since it clearly doesn't conform with the Land Manager's/Owner's wishes, which are clearly spelled out for public view.
I'm encouraged by the fact you took the time to research this and come to the conclusion you have. My hat's off to you.
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If there are signs requesting visitors to stay on the trails then I'm reasonably sure the cache would be prohibited by the managing group. If they knew about it.
This is just the type of situation that could get Geocaching baned from the property entirely.
I would contact the cache owner first and voice this concern. If you're not satisfied with the response or get no response at all, I'd contact the centennial preserve and offer to help get the cache placed in a aproprate location. If nothing else this action would show that there are cachers out there that care and are comitted to respecting and inforcing land use rules.
Walking away from an issue wouldn't be an option for me. In my opinion the expressed wishes of the land owner/manager trumps everything else. Even my fear of being called a whistleblower.
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2 hours ago, Meredith66 said:
Well thank you all for your awesome advice being a new geocache sure I have come to realize that my Hiding spaces are really not that great although two of them are still active but I watch other people in other parts of the world whether it be different states or different countries they are very very clever with their hiding and I noticed in that people here at least in my area are so lazy but if I was to hide it any more than I am they wouldn't even try to look for it so I am just going to have to get a whole lot more clever with my hiding and I can honestly say that if people can't find my hives after today then they shouldn't be geocaching because I'm not just going to drop a camouflage bottle or container in the woods somewhere and expect somebody to find it I am going to get really clever with my geocaches. But once again thank you all for your advice I appreciate it so much...
To the people that think I just don't want to do maintenance on my geocaches that is simply not true not only do I go around and check my geocaches I also make sure that the ones that I find that are hidden from other people are well taken care of just yesterday I must have replaced logs baggies dried out containers for them and actually got notes back from the owner saying thank you tell maintenance is not an issue for me.
Maintaining your caches so that others can enjoy them is what being a cache owner is all about. Seems like you already get that. Besides, maintanance can be fun especially if you enjoy visiting the places you hide your caches.
Don't worry about what others may or may not search for. Hide caches you'd enjoy finding. People tend to hide what thay see so hiding the norm in your area whon't change a thing. Raise the bar on cache quality and eventually others will do the same.
Good luck.
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I've never been a big fan of PMO caches. I personally believe that all caches should be available to everyone. I can't refute the logic that PMO caches tend to last longer and require less maintenance but there are many ways to limit how much cache maintenance you have to do without excluding a certain segment of the caching community from enjoying your hides.
My goal as a cache owner is to provide an enjoyable caching experience with the hopes that new cachers will become old cachers.
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28 minutes ago, NYPaddleCacher said:
And tying this to another thread, this is an excellent example of how one can "give back to the game" without hiding any caches.
Great point. Protecting the areas we play on is just as important as the game itself. Maybe even more so.
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3 minutes ago, njfeathe85 said:
Excellent thank you for the extra advice. I'll see what their reply is. I did think about mentioning that i'd be responsible for them as CO but had already clicked send!
Hopefully someone else wanting to know about permission will be able to find this article and use the information.
I had the exact same experience. Open space managed by a town sub committee that knew nothing about Geocaching. It took me attending three meetings and a presentation before I was given permission. I hope this doesn't discourage you because a good location is worth the effort.
PS. Because of this Geocaching experience I'm now on the board of directors of that sub committee. Looking back it was one of the best decisions I've made as it's opened up many doors to things I really enjoy.
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The only thing I'd add is to offer to meet with them if they'd like and be prepared to explain not only what Geocaching is but what your plans are in using the property. Bring examples of cache containers and make sure you impress upon them that you'll be responsible for maintaining the containers and if they have any problems what-so-ever your willing and able to solve them.
Good luck. The fact that your actively seeking permission right off the bat is a sign of good things to come.
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On 5/11/2018 at 9:33 AM, HunterSamuel said:
Thank you everyone for the great advice and wonderful support! I don't feel so bad now. And thank you Tricia! I followed your instructions and dropped it in the correct cache. Thankfully I took a photo of the trackable with its tracking number facing up. Phew!
I love the fact that you care so much about someone else's travel bug. This is a great quality to have as a geocacher.
“We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.” Bob Ross.
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Love it. Just looking at the picture gives me all sorts of ideas. Thanks for sharing this.
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13 hours ago, Team DEMP said:
2 separate caches if they have 2 separate GC #s. FTF on the first cache which was listed, you found and is now archived. No FTF on the 2nd cache unless you go out and find it and log it again as the first entry in the log for the new GC #. That's how I'd consider it.
I'd have to say this.
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9 hours ago, 321geocache said:
I was at the store today and saw that they had some large lock n lock boxes about 2.5 liters (not lock n lock brand, but still very good quality) on sale for $5. I got one, and I'm considering going with that as a cache. It is large, inexpensive, and has a good seal that appears to keep water out well. I'm still thinking about whether to go with the lock n lock container/ammo can, or another more interesting container.
If your going to go with a lock n lock consider purchasing two. A smaller one that fits inside a larger one. By putting a container inside a container you double the protection. I've found that this works well for a veriety of reasons. Logs seem to keep dry for much longer. The outer container acts as a warning device. If the outer container fails chances are the inner one will keep the contents try until I can get the outer container replaced. Also, the outer container allows you to go wild with camouflage while keeping the inner container clean and easy to handle. I can usually find generic lock n lock containers at discount stores (like dollar store up here in the North East) for a buck or two each.
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3 minutes ago, 321geocache said:
I'll certainly be using a container that's not ordinary. Instead of the usual ammo can or lock n lock, I'll probably try using something a bit more interesting, like your container. If anything goes wrong with the container, I'll just replace it with an ammo can or lock n lock box.
You can't go wrong with an ammo can and it may save you many maintenance trips in the long run.
I know I always enjoy finding unique containers. As a cache owner some of my hide ideas simply can't be accomplished with a traditional ammo can/bison tube.
Believe me, experimenting with various containers has had it's challenges but in the end it's been well worth the effort.
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15 hours ago, 321geocache said:
From what I'm hearing, a lock n lock container or an ammo can are probably the best options. I might try hiding two regular size caches - one lock n lock and one ammo can - to see which is more durable. I'm thinking the ammo can is probably better.
Thanks for your help!
I found one of these at a thrift store for $1. It's been out now for over 4 years basically exposed to the elements. Just checked up on it a few days ago and it's still bone dry. There are all kinds of containers that will make good caches. Some are good as is. Some may need a little modification. Always keep your eyes open for new and interesting containers and don't be afraid to give something a try.
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23 minutes ago, Inmountains said:
I do agree that there are a select few who are not able to hide caches, like permanent traveler's. BUT, what is Geocaching, at it core? One person hides a container, posts the coordinates, and other's are able to find it and log it. So expecting most cachers to have a few hides is not asking too much, in my opinion. My mother was fighting, and eventually died, from Breast Cancer. And yet she still found time to hide quality caches, some that were hidden in 2005 and still active today, even though she passed in 2010. So I am amiable to agree to disagree as I believe most folks that do not hide, just don't want to, and thus are 'takers.' Thank goodness for the HIDERS, for without them, there we be NO GEOCACHING!
I get what your saying and believe me I'd love to see more new and interesting caches being placed but I have to agree with the consensus on this one. Being a cache owner isn't for everyone. Although some may like the idea of being a cache owner they are being much more responsible by not doing so if they know they won't be able to give it the attention it needs. Over the past few years I've become more of a cache owner than a cache finder and to be honest I enjoy it. There will always be more finders than hiders and that's ok. I'd rather have someone hiding a cache because they really want to rather than hiding one because they think it's expected of them.
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19 hours ago, 321geocache said:
Hi,
Thanks for the help. I'm looking into getting some metal ammo cans online or at a local antique/junk store.
Just curious - anyone have experience with these as cache containers? I have many of these I use at home - they just seem more durable than plastic containers.
Thanks.
I once used a film developing canister very similar to this. The only problem I had was cachers having trouble getting it open due to freezing during the early spring and late fall. I wound up replacing it with a Lock N' Lock similar to the one L0neR posted.
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6 minutes ago, The Leprechauns said:
It was easier to advocate for archived cache rescue/cleanup missions prior to the advent of competing listing services. Some cache owners have a falling-out with Geocaching.com, and decide to list their caches on another platform. They either archive their Geocaching.com listings, or let the site or its volunteers do it for them.
Imagine the poopstorm if someone removed a container for an archived Geocaching.com listing, but which was still active on OtherSite.com. These are the last people I'd want to tick off, as they already have a chip on their shoulder by definition.
So, before considering the removal of a physical cache container, consider checking every other listing service, including the obscure ones.
Good point. I wonder how people would react if hides listed on Geocaching.com were required to be exclusive?
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1 hour ago, J Grouchy said:
Yeah...on two different ammo can caches that were archived, I contacted the COs offering to return the ammo can to them. Neither one even bothered to respond. I have no problem taking the container over after a couple weeks or months if they couldn't bother even a simple "thank you" response. In both cases, they were reused as geocaches and I'd even willingly give them back if they decided months or years later that they wanted them. I won't hold my breath, though.
The problem here is this notion that, even after the cache has been archived and the owner has been given time to retrieve it, it's somehow still personal property and some unwritten rule prohibits it's removal...... indefinitely. Obviously we don't want people snatching up containers 30 minutes after a cache has been archived. On the other hand a container that's been archived for months should, in my opinion, be allowed to be removed.
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3 hours ago, Tungstène said:
I must advise to be very careful with this. Even if the CO is missing, you can't dispose of her/his cache as if you were claiming ownership.
Another option to see your found but archived caches is to use project-gc.com's compare maps tool.
If a cache has been archived the owner should have already cleaned it up. If they didn't, isn't it reasonable to allow someone else to do it? If a cache owner hasn't retrieved the container within a reasonable period of time haven't they disowned it?
Now I really don't want to argue about what constitutes "a reasonable period of time" because we all know where that will lead. I would hope we could all agree that removing these archived caches is a good thing and that indefinitely isn't a reasonable period of time to do it.
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On 5/11/2018 at 3:56 PM, Twentse Mug said:
This is nonsens. You can see that in the statistics.
What Mudfrog has been saying makes perfect sense and is quite accurate to what I've seen. With my own two eyes.
I don't necessarily believe easy park and grabs are the reason newbies quickly leave the game. Discovery and adventure are what grabs you and makes you want to see more. A person has to have that in them to enjoy Geocaching.
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35 minutes ago, Team Microdot said:
How does the saying go?
There are lies, dadgum lies and statistics?
'Sad' people leaving doesn't automatically equate to more people being happier.
It could be, for example, that the sad people leaving are the ones who place the best caches and maintain them to the highest standard.
In fact in my local area at least there's some evidence to support that being the case.
Although I suppose it is possible that the people left behind will continue to be happy with poorer, less well maintained caches.
I see it as a supply and demand problem. Everyone wants new caches, preferably in their local caching area. As most long timers know it doesn't take long to exhaust caches within a 10 or 20 mile radius. So how do you get more "new" caches? Increase the number of people caching with the idea that some of these will go on to be cache owners themselves. I think we've all seen the result of that effort. Now we're seeing a steady decline in the number of people caching along with a slower decline in actual cache hides. The trick is to have enough new caches to satisfy the old timers (who own many of the really good caches out there) while making sure there's plenty of good caches out there that will attract newbies. Tough job. One possible answer is to "recycle" caches. Archive some caches and replace them with something new. Maybe even swap areas with another cacher so the hides will be different. To me increasing ones hide count isn't the best way to accomplish this. Typically more cache hides by one person results in a decline in cache maintenance.
I think the Geocaching app was the last big attempt to increase numbers. Other things may come along but nothing will have the impact that did.
When you think about it, Geocaching hasn't experienced something like this in it's history, so there's no real data on if and how things will rebound. I think what your seeing now is a natural leveling off and when it dose settle we'll have a better idea of what the norm will be going forward.
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I post a dnf if I reach ground zero and have spent some time searching. If I didn't satisfy those two personal requirements, I post a note.
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A word of caution. Although most people on these forums are considerate folks who get what geocaching's all about, you will inevitably run into the cache owner that will object and may even delete your found log. If this happens smile and move on to the next adventure.
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Just now, Team Microdot said:
Not sure what Benjamin Paul Ballance-Drew can bring to the party though
Ahhhh... Bait and switch. An element of plan B.
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5 minutes ago, Team Microdot said:
If the caching mafia have their way those caches probably won't be weeded out in a timely manner.
Loggers are discouraged from mentioning the state of the cache in their logs.
Well there's always plan B
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I once had to re-work an entire multi cache because of 12 feet. No ones fault. I just couldn't make it work in the space provided and the rules are the rules.
As far as contacting the other owner, it doesn't hurt to ask. I was able to adopt two caches and place a series of 9 because I asked and was luck enough to discover the current cache owners were thinking about archiving. They were more than happy to adopt them over to me so I could complete my series. I wouldn't get my hopes up but at the very least you may be able to get the current cache owner to give you first option to adopt if they ever decide to archive.