Cedar Grove Seekers
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Yes, it's about entertainment for profit, not some greater good like getting people to read. Nothing wrong with profit, but this lie that it's about getting kids to read is pretty unethical...
...It's kind of sad that people think they're teaching their kids to read by purchasing hats and giant sodas, and annoying to me that the geocaching community is somewhat complicit in perpetuating this silliness.
You seem to be getting the movies confused with the books.
The book set is simply just a long and very well written story by an unemployed mother who thought out the entire series before she submitted a word to an agent or publisher.
I must admit that I am not very familiar with the books, but it's always been my impression that they are fairly well written.
Now that I have young children, I am curious how the books are considered from a literary standpoint, putting aside the "massive corporate agenda" aspects.
Are they of reasonable quality, or are they trash?
As for the orignal topic, I don't mind the term muggle and don't associate it with Harry Potter. In addition, the word Seeker in my name doesn't refer to the position played by Harry in the game of Quiddich (I never said I haven't seen the first movie) but I wouldn't get too worked up if someone thought so.
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There's an evil hide near where I work and I've visited 3 times with no luck. Others have found it, some within minutes, while some gave up and logged a string of DNFs only for yet another cacher to find it.
I would guess that, considering some find it quickly and some post a DNF, that it is one of two situations:
1) It's a truly evil hide and some people are getting help from previous finders, or
2) It's a very clever hide such that if you are in the right frame of mind you notice it quickly, but if you are not thinking outside the box then you will never find it.
In my opinion, type 2) are the best caches - very rewarding when you do eventually find them.
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We have just passed 300 finds and today found our second muggled cache. Both were obviously muggled because we found the actual cache contents. The first one we did log as a found cache. It was an extremely time consuming Multi and there was no doubt that what we found were the remains of the cache. We cleaned up the remnants, logged the find and then filed an archive request. The question is, how do others treat these caches? Do you log them as found?
It would depend on the how badly muggled it was. If the entire cache was in place and a muggle merely broke the pencil, then I'd log as a find. If the muggle took everything except for half a broken pencil, then I would not log as a find.
It sounds like you are pretty comfortable that you found the cache, so be happy with your find.
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Some people will whine about it, but it's your choice.
Agreed. It's a personal choice.
When my wife and I started caching, we found every cache together (for at least the first 100). After that she wasn't interested in caching as much as I was. We agreed that the account was my account and that if she wanted to start caching on her own then she would create her own account (which never happened).
My mom and dad are in the same situation.
However my sister/brother-in-law share an account and both contribute their individual finds to it.
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Rant On: One of the things that irritates me is someone finding a FTF and then waiting several days to post their find.
On more than one occasion I have been second to find and can understand the logs not being updated for an hour or so, but for the find not to posted as found in a timely manner even days later and in one case over 2 weeks before the finder posted his FTF log is inconsiderate of other cachers.
Ok Rant OFF.
Back when I was chasing FTFs, I found one at around 9PM, and didn't get home until around 11PM. I went right to bed and logged it the next morning. I don't think I intentionally delayed logging, but maybe subconciously I did.
My brother-in-law saw the unfound cache at midnight and, because he had been drinking, took a taxi to the cache site. He was pretty pissed when he saw that I had already been there three hours earlier. He got me back in the exact same manner on another FTF a few days later. After that we never intentionally delayed logging FTFs.
I will also add that, although I'm not too concerned about the order in which people log on-line, I would intentionally wait until the FTF logged on-line when I wasn't FTF. This is importnant to some people , and I did it out of courtesy. However I wouldn't typically wait beyond the end of the day.
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I think that people leave pocket knives because they think somebody else will like them, so I don't think you should be too hard on them for it. Just trade them out.
Yup.
My opinion is if the kids are too young to have a pocket knife, then they will be caching with their parents who can make sure they don't take it. If they are old enough to cache alone, then they are old enough to have a pocket knife.
The worst swag I found in a cache was urine. CITOed as much of it as I could hold in my cupped hands.
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I couldn't afford a premium membership and would stumble on caches that hadn't been found before but just lacked the ambition to be the beta tester.
The person who is typically getting the first to find in your area is like the one in this area. Someone with the time, ambition and a premium membership. End of story. The person in my area who does it zips out anytime there is a new cache because they have basically cleaned out the area of caches so a new one, I would imagine, is entertaining to them. I wouldn't fathom of asking the person in my area to cache differently because I want a first to find instead of them. I've been second and third to find on plenty of caches and honest to goodness aside from a name or two on the log I see no difference. I go out for the cache.
If you're not going out for the cache and you feel this passionate about FTF then you will have to be as competitive as the other first to find hound in the area. It's as simple as that. They shouldn't have to adjust how they play for you. If it's that important to you you need to make it a priority in your life. You need to get the membership. And you need to be able to drop everything and go look for it.
Although I agree with much of this, I disagree with the premium membership requirement. We found our first several FTFs without a premium membership. When we did get the membership, email notifications were sometimes significantly delayed and unreliable. We didn't have our Blackberrys at the time so still needed access to our computer. We maintained a 10% FTF find ratio by simply checking the computer often (usually late at night and first thing in the morning), and being willing to drop everything and go for them.
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I put some weight into percentage of non-traditional finds.
I am currently a little over 30%, but figure this will reduce over time as there are no new virtuals or locationless, and the percentage of newly placed multis, puzzles, etc, seems to be dropping too.
I will often use this statistic as an informal indication of how well rounded a cacher is, especially those who protest they are not about the numbers, yet seem to only find traditionals.
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He played fair... but not nice.
In the OP's described situation it would have been nice to take the first FTF prize and leave the second, but it was certainly fair to take both.
As to the implied attitude "I hunted it, therefore I deserve...whatever" the unfair part is not teaching your son that the only thing one can expect from a geocache hunt is a fun time.
Ditto
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Ok I'm losing this battle. Acutally I'm not into numbers at all. I've only found 132 in 5 months since joining. But I do like to get paid. Working 2hrs and getting paid 1 is odd. I'll stick to traditionals.
somehow, this statement makes it sounds like you actually are into the numbers after all.
I agree. Although you say otherwise, my impression is that the numbers are more important to you than the enjoyment of the hunt. It's OK if this is the case, but don't delude yourself.
Personally I like all types of caches for different reasons. One of the main reasons I like multi-caches is that they allow for much more creative intermediate hides. The intermediate hide does not have to be such that it contains a logbook, but could merely be a set of numbers on something very inconspicuous, which allows for much more variety.
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For our first several caches, we'd bring the cache print-out (we weren't paperless back then). If we needed to rely on the hint we would manually decrypt it in the field. Pretty cumbersome on some of the very long-winded hints. We didn't realize that we could have automatically decrypted it prior to printing the cache page.
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To respond to the OP:
Somewhere along the line you’ve heard about FTFs, realized they are important to certain cachers, and decided you would like one. You’ve since realized they can be difficult to get, and you will have to devote a lot more effort to getting one. You may not realize it, but you are probably only aware of them BECAUSE they are difficult to get and require a lot of effort and therefore have importance to certain cachers. Why are they important to you? Why do you want one?
I would love to have an Olympic gold medal but certainly would not expect the athletes to take it easy on me so that I could have one. Before anyone suggests you can’t compare gold medals to FTFs, it’s merely an analogy. A small percentage of people are willing and able to do what it takes to get a gold medal – same for FTFs.
You seem to suggest that there is nothing in it for the families who can’t get an FTF. If merely finding a cache is not enough, and the FTF is your reward, then I’d suggest that you truly are an FTF hound who is just lazy. If you want an FTF go and earn one. If you’re not willing to earn it then I don’t understand why they are important to you.
As for enjoying each others’ company, having fun, helping each other out – my days as an FTF hound contributed far more to this than the non-FTF caches. I met more people chasing an FTF than not. The camaraderie was much stronger amongst the FTF chasers.
The FTF crowd never saw ourselves as greedy – we saw ourselves as a group of people interested in adding an element of competition by racing for FTFs. If someone else wanted an FTF they would certainly be welcome to race for them. If they expected to be given the FTF, we would have viewed this as an infringement on our fun – especially considering that the main reason they wanted an FTF was because it was something that was important to us.
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FTF is first to find the cache, not to log on-line.
It's considered bad form to intentionally wait a long time to log your FTF on-line, however understandable that sometimes you can't log on-line right away.
As for non-FTFs logging, you can't expect them to wait a few days to log their cache, especially if they are acknowledging they are not FTF.
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When guns aren't available people use knives.
Outlaw knives and they'll use clubs.
Not sure this is entirely true.
Homicide rate in Canada hovers around 1.9 per 100,000 versus 5.5 per 100,000 in US in recent years.
The almost 3x more homicides in US could be partly due to availability of guns considering only 1/3 of homicides in Canada are gun related, compared to over 60% gun related homicides in the US.
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Considering muggle has been around since the early days of geocaching, and I like traditon, I never really minded the term.
However, CLAM seems to be pretty popular in this thread, so to heck with tradition, let's go with CLAM.
Everyone OK with that. Good, then it's settled.
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...is there a way you can think of that you could actually make some decent money doing this...
The obvious way is to create an internet based geocache listing service. One could probably make a lot of money selling advertising space, and membership dues, provided the site was popular and widely used.
Not really something I'm interested in doing, but I would never begrudge someone who made a success of it.
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I'm all for a challenging hide if it's clever, but intentionally bad coords are just lame.
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Examples...
A Cache is hidden in the top of a tree with a high terrain rating, but the tree has toppled over in a storm, so I walked up and grabbed the Cache at eye level, it was rated 4*
A Cache was hidden on the face of a clif that requires climbing, but a rockslide had brought it down to the trail below, it was rated 5*
A Cache is hidden in the space between two buildings that requires the finder to squeeze into about 10-12 inches and mak your way to the container, but one of the buildings has been torn down, leaning the Cache burried under about 10 inches of broken masonry, but easy to walk to and find, it was rated 4*
Would you log a find on these Caches since you didn't find them in the intended way?
Yes, they're legit finds.
I found one where the cache was on a small island in a pond. I happened to be in the area in winter and just walked across the ice. Owner then caught on and disabled it until spring to maintain difficulty.
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In geocaching some cheating can and does affect others, but most of the time it is of no consequence.
What, degradation of geocaching is of no consequence???
OK, OK, I won't start that again.
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I propose that all geocachers be divided into 12 groups, and each group be given a 2 hour window every day to go geocaching. This should provide a temporary relief to the situation until a more permanent solution is found.
Your group ID and geocaching timetable will be sent to you shortly. Please do your part and keep geocaching alive. And have a good April 1st.
We instituted this in my area several months ago, and I got stuck with the 2AM-4AM time slot. Looking forward to the new timetable.
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Isn't it already covered under Waymarking.com?
Edit: This post was a response to the OP. I had not seen Castle Mischief's post which essentially makes the same point in a more subtle manner.
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It sounds like a good time was had by all. But I'm curious...what governing body verified this as a New World Record? It's a new world record because you guys say it is, right? Right. Cool.
By the way, a few weeks ago I set a New World Record for the most number of caches placed within a mile of my house. Two. Placed by me. It's a New World Record and I'm dashed proud of it.
Next?
Zactly... Will people please stop saying anything is a world record just because you do something?
Honestly.. there is no "world record" for power caching. it's neat that you do it but really.. that's all it is... Neat
They found more caches in a 24 hour period than anyone else in the world. That's a record...a world record. Not quite sure why some insist it's not?
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You blew away your own record. Well done!
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Its the inches of water in the bottom of a huge cache that troubles me.
As a suggestion only, would putting some holes in the bottom of the large 65L container help to let the water drain out?
Pet Peave!
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I agree