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Wow. Just freakin' wow. You've managed to connect ODS with the destruction of the very geocaching spirit within your local geocaching continuum. Incredible. Sigh. How do I respond to that one? I'll get back to you if I can find something graceful and constructive to say. (where is the shaking my head in wonderment emoticon?) Nope, I gotta ask..... Is Santa still okay? C'mon. That response is a little over the top. He didn't say anything close to that.

The forums are just a microcosm of the larger community. There are many detractors outside this forum. Without exception, the geocachers whom I spoke with that knew about this were less than enthusiastic (I'm being nice). I did manage to come up with one positive in the way this project was administered. In the absence of an icon that indicates it is a film canister, LPC, or a dumpster hide, you CAN search for and filter out "ODS" in GSAK. Glad you felt the need to come into this thread and slam his project. Is this the point where you try to show that it's a bad idea by doing your own ODS project in Hawaii and it not working??? From the OP: I think you could call these posts thoughts AND comments. Opinions were requested, but it seems like they are not really desired.

Just enter the actual date it was found and mention "found with ..." 97.8% of cache owners will not care at all. The other 2.2 %? Their mother was a hamster and their father smelled of elderberries.

Neither.It's to nuke the crap out of something fun like geocaching and anaylize it to death for the purpose of doing away with YALPs-YAGs(Terms courtesy of TrailGators),lame woods micros,numbers cachers,FTF hounds,and black garbage bag caches.Oh,also to call out elitists and FTFing reviewer incidents that may or may not have took place. Inbetween those drama posts we can find out how old you are,if you're a geek,what kind of GPSr you use,the will this work or how does this sound threads,six threads on the contents of your caching bag,7800 threads comparing the 60csx&76 csx,and the creme o' the crop,the 5,008,998 threads titled "how do I change my user name yo?"DUDE!!!It's in the friggen FAQs!!!It says it right there when you create it!Search the dang threads first! \rant. Am I getting warm? Nope.

They probably are about as offended as you would be if you saw a pentagram and the Wiccan reed posted on the front of your courthouse.

Sorry, but I don't have the answer for you. But you can still go caching tomorrow. I do just fine without Google Earth. Don't let that stop you from having fun!

This reminds me of a story of my youth. Years ago I participated in a weekly card game with a group of friends. Inevitably, we'd spend the first hour or two preparing and enjoying food and beverages. Then someone would bring up sports. Or politics. Or pull out a new cd that everyone had to hear. Sometimes we never even got the cards pulled out, which suited everybody just fine. Except for one of us. One of our friends took his cards very seriously, and would always get annoyed if we got sidetracked. We'd tell him it doesn't matter as long as we were having fun. His famous, oft-repeated reply was, "We're not here to have fun. We're here to play cards." It's all entertainment for me.

This thread made me think of a restaurant I worked at 15+ years ago. It happened to be located right beside a Volunteer Fire Department. Now these folks volunteer their time to not only put out fires, but they are constantly training, working to keep the firehouse and trucks clean and ready to go, baking cakes to raise money, etc. These were (are) volunteers that truly gave of their time to save lives and property. Every Monday night, after their training, a big group of them would come over to the restaurant. These people were absolutely the rudest customers we'd see all week long. They would steal condiments, berate the crew, scam their way out of paying for meals, stay until midnight even though we closed at 9, and never, EVER tipped. (that was a particular sore point for us servers. ) The moral to this story is just because someone volunteers their time for a worthwhile cause does not necessarily make someone a "good" person. Our volunteer reviewers are just like the population at large- there's some kind, friendly ones, and there's some cold and gruff ones. Some that will be more than willing to go the extra mile to answer your questions, and then others that may feel your email is a waste of their time. I don't know that it happened in this situation, but certainly it's possible that a reviewer could use their knowledge to grab a nice FTF prize out of a cache. It seems there's a bit of deification that goes on regarding volunteers, but the fact is they're just like the rest of the population. The law of averages say there's gonna be good ones, and there will be bad ones. That being said, most behavior I've seen regarding volunteers on the GC website lead me to believe that most of them are pretty cool. Shoot, I bet there's even a couple of cool volunteer fire fighters out there...

Yet again...this is what this thread is for Yet, most of what I've read is more whining. If the whiners quit their whining, what would you have to whine about?

I didn't think I was "due" anything. But, I've already explained this a few pages back so I'm not going to rehash it. Frankly, after reading several of your posts both here and on the TRIGO forums, I'm thinking you and I probably wouldn't get along very well anyways. Maybe I'll run into you on the trail someday and find out I'm wrong, we'll see. One thing I feel compelled to comment on. If you're so offended by being called an "elitist", why would you put a line like the following in your profile? I remember when geocachers were more outdoorsy and less nerdy. If that's not arrogant and condescending, I obviously don't understand the definition of either word. Regardless, I wish you no ill will. Best of luck to you and keep on cachin'! I remember recently a thread about whether or not the forums ever make you change your opinion. This one has. I have to say, I wasn't impressed with the OP. Seemed like whining to me. I totally understand the awkward feelings that can happen in a new social situation, but I also feel it's MY responsibility to shake that off and walk up to folks and be a part of things. But it does seem like he's making an attempt now and wants to mend fences. I hope the Cracker Barrel breakfast happens and long term friends are made. ( I happen to prefer IHOP, but to each his own) One last note- don't multi-log the events. It's cheesy.

Hmm. Were they standing around making fun of multi-logging the same event? I understand why you'd take it personally.

I often say I like caches, but I love the cachers. I have had a wonderful time at every event I've attended, including those that I hosted. I hope that is how you imagined them.

That isn't elitism, that is rudeness. Exactly. What you're describing has less to do with caching and more to do with human nature. Take any grouping of people and will eventually divide up into little groups and some solo acts. I'm pretty shy, so I'm sometimes the solo guy. It's just as much my fault if I don't walk up and join the conversation. As far as my local group goes, I try to push myself out of my shell and make a point to meet and greet everyone. But I understand the difficulty of walking up and interjecting yourself into the group. As far as the conversation you mentioned the folks having, they have a right to make fun of cache types or strange logging practices if they like. Seems like a pretty normal discussion at a geocaching event. I would find it more objectionable if they were having some heated religious or political debate. (of course, I'd probably throw my $.02 in there, too!) We are not our caches. I can shake your hand, be glad to meet you, and still disagree with elements about caching. Feel free to make fun of hikes in the woods. We'll all share a laugh, agree to disagree, and then go eat hot dogs.

As long as it's .10 miles away from the first cache, hide the cache. Premium or non-premium has nothing to do with the distance guideline. Size of cache doesn't matter either.

I bet that was gonna be a great cache...

This: makes this: sound pretty darn ignorant! Hope your ankle heals quickly and you can get back on the trails!

What kind of friends do you have?!? This don't smell right...

This sounds like the best idea I've heard

I nominate Starbrand as Global CacheCaretaker

First, find a very busy parking lot. Busier the better. Next, locate a light pole towards the middle of the lot. This is key. Not too close to the door, but conspicuous enough to require stealth. Place micro container (magnetic key holder or film cannister) under the light pole's skirt. Make sure skirt slides up easily. No swag necessary.

Yep. I thought photo labs went away around 1999? My pictures sit on my hard drive until I clean them out. (I'm not a very good photographer...)

I generally don't call cachers about caches. I find the practice weird and intrusive. When I call a cacher it's to say hi, plan an outing, etc. I don't call cachers just about a cache. It's not that important. That being said, I could care less if they call each other for hints about my cache. Isn't it about their fun as the finder, and not our fun as the cache owners? If they are still having fun by calling others, and the other folks don't mind, why would it matter to me? Try thinking of it as their cache instead of yours, and I think you'll enjoy the giving part of putting out caches more.

Just because there are regulations out there somewhere doesn't mean that they apply to this situation. The regulations themselves might or might not be specific enough to cover magnetic micros stuck to the bottom of an r2d2 box. Without seeing the verbiage it is impossible to know. But until you find verbiage to the contrary, this does seem to apply to caches. I'm not sure if you're gonna a specific clause that states "magnetic key holders" may not be placed under the mailbox. That's why it states items We're playing a game, and I don't think it's important enough to try to work around these stated restrictions.

That document is about whether FedEx, UPS, or local contractors can stick items into your mailbox without paying for postage. If you read on it says: In addition to the mailbox restriction law, Postal Service regulations provide that “every letterbox or other receptacle intended or used for the receipt or delivery of mail” may be used only for matter bearing postage and that any mailable matter found in mailboxes without postage is subject to payment of the same postage as if it had been carried by mail.7 Postal Service regulations are broader than the mailbox restriction law. The regulations restrict items placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mailbox.However, the regulations do not apply to door slots, among other things. That's pretty clear. Not really. Can anyone link to the verbiage of these regulations? I followed that link. Not trying to be argumentative, but what's not clear about The regulations restrict items placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mailbox.? That's what you'd call crystal clear for me. Sure, you and your lawyer could find some "verbiage" somewhere that could get you out of any charges, but isn't clear that they don't want stuff attached to the mailboxes?

While I agree with you about using different words, it does seem "ignorant" is appropriate. I was ignorant about there being restrictions about placing items on mail boxes. (though I did have a slight suspicion) Ignorant just means they didn't know any better. Still could use a different word, though.....