PCFrog

Lots of replies but I would probably take the more direct course. 3-5 days if I hear nothing I would report to ebay they are selling stolen goods and if you paid by paypal I would do the same. They will have their account locked and will have to face the situation.

Not wanting to stir the pot here but I would like to know is this. Was it every stated that coins could not be used in the virtual manner prior to the ban? While I don't have one, and never understood why other than icon collecting, I don't remember coins coming with a clause stating that they can't be used for virtual purposes. Now with that said did those who had these virtual coins get a chance to unvirtual them? If there was no clause upfront about them being off limits and latter it was decided that they should be (personally I think a good choice) off limits did the owners get a chance to remedy the situation? Like I said not really trying to get people up in arms about this at all, I just like to know.

I was told somewhere that it was trackable on someone’s personal web site since it was a sig item. I even visited the web site before but that was a few months ago when I came across one before. I guess that many have not seen this or heard about it.

Okay, serious response - could it be www.travelertags.com? Nope that’s not it. Thanks for the suggestion.

I have a green lizard with a number on it from someone that has a separate web site to log them at. Does anyone know that web site address?

You could hook it up to a light sensor so it would only come on at night as well.

What was the question again? The ultimate question.

Here is another TB that does the same

Bummer. Found one Saturday while looking to place a new cache. I was quite surprised at the location where I found it. Unfortunately it not in the GC.com list.

Personally keep posting it tell you at least get some type of yes or no answer. I think your idea is acceptable. It just a matter of being able to implement such an idea.

The WI coin was basically handled in this fashion. Orders were 1st taken for those who lived in the state. Then orders were taken for the rest. The ordering period was something like 3 weeks. And only 1 type coin was made. I would have to agree that if a state org is going to make a coin they should allow ALL geocachers ample time to learn about the sale and make the sale available.

WoW sorry to hear that.

Think I do the same

A 1500mAh (pretty standard) AA battery can provide that much current for 15 hours. That's 27,000 electrocuted people. WATCH OUT! Hummm There is a diferance between getting mAh shock and a mA shock in one or two seconds. Also I guess those people who died in the past in homes and bussiness did not know what you knew and if they did they would still be alive.

Man, I don't know if I can afford a Four thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollar coin.

Electrical Safety Check it out - For example, 1/10 of an ampere (amp) of electricity going through the body for just 2 seconds is enough to cause death. Like someone said lots of work but little understanding.

Love the coin idea but no way I'd leave that in a cache that needs it. So in effect the coin would promote making crapy caches to get a coin. How about a sticker

Man I love that place when I get a chance to go south I always hit a Waffle House for food.

Ok, so today I go out and find this one. Tomorrow, I find one of the light pole caches. Saturday, I am searching for another one of your caches behind a building and having a hard time finding it. I notice an electrical box on the back of the building. It has conduit running to it, and "Warning- high voltage" and "unauthorized personell" stickers. This is 2 days after finding a cache in a similar box from the same hider. Would that make me "stupid" for opening the box? Or would it be that my past expirience has shown me that this hider likes to do these hides, and it is likely that he did it again? Maybe he didn't feel like putting the lock on this one? Maybe a previous hider forgot to put the lock back on? Maybe it isn't the cache and I just cant find the real cache. Point is, I don't know. What I do know is that this hider, at least, does use electrical boxes for at least some of his caches and that there is an electrical box that looks "real" at the coordinates of another one of his caches. I think a lot of people- not just the "stupid" ones- would check it out. DITO

As I said most I seen are not and still have the ammo markings clearly on it.

I personally don't care if it’s a rule or not. It just should be something that should be steered clear of. you don't feel comfortable about a particular hide, then don't seek it. This would be great but there is no symbol for electrical component hidden. As mentioned above you only know most time that you’re looking for cache and if the owner is nice they give you a size. If they really nice they tell you what type of container to look for. I don’t live in a city to be able to only drive 3-10 miles to a cache and say oh well. Most my caches are in the 30+ mile drives. 1 tank gas - $30 Out longer that expected need more food - $10+ So after spending $40+ dollars an hour or several getting to a cache I don’t want to get to a cache and go oh geez this might be one of those. This is just me. I logged my DNFs and that’s what happens. However, when you get those few cachers that lack common sense they will go to all ends to find that cache since they have so much invested. We heard about how some cachers will tear a place apart looking for a cache. BLAH BLAH BLAH ok I will stop rambling I think point been made and I think you see the point. I see yours and agree with your view to a point as well. My concern is when I see these is not entirely for me but those few idiots, or very unfortunate people that will go opening and taking things apart because they want to find that cache. Great if only you could guarantee that all these are marked visibly (once one is looking at front of item) with GC.com symbol. I don’t think that will happen because I seen to many caches that don’t even have a cache label on them to help identify them upfront to public safety officials.

It is also unsafe to put a cache on a cliffside -- That’s what the difficulty rating is for. cactus, under a clump of Poison Ivy, or down a trail where bears have been know to pass through -- These are normal hazards of geocaching and of general hiking - A football player running into another is part of the sport. There is a rating for terrain not a rating for possible contact with electrical or mechanical items.

If you try to place an outlet in the woods in Maryland, you have better not try tp stick it in the ground. I have been warned about that. I was told my mailbox was not a good idea along a road, but I could put it in the woods. But I was specifically told not to dig a hole for it as that was against the rules. So if you want to put your outlet on the end of a conduit, you will have to just lay it on the ground. I have no idea what goes through the minds of reviewers. Man looking at the monkey then reading your post made me laugh. Next time command the ground to insert the post itself.

Here's a seemingly radical thought that you may have not considered: Safety shouldn't *always* come first. What would the greatest achievements in our history be like if people only did what was safe? What would our level of science and technology be if people only had done what was safe? Remember, even with modern day precautions and OSHA, you still have space shuttles exploding. Space exploration is always inherently risky (i.e. not safe). Undersea exploration is inherently risky. And on a less grand scale, if you simply wish to talk about recreation and personal living... Mountain climbing is inherently risky. SCUBA diving is inherently risky. Boxing is inherently risky. Football is inherently risky. NASCAR is inherently risky. Hiking *can* be inherently risky, which means that Geocaching can be inherently risky as well. After all, if you're going for a Terrain of 3-5, and you don't have the skills, experience, or physical ability, you're putting yourself in a potentially unsafe position. Heck, even with all of that, some 5.0's I've seen are still potentially unsafe. Oh, and even with a Terrain of 1.0, you can still come across poisonous plants, spiders, snakes, etc... But let's not forget - have you looked at accident statistics? Every time you cross the street, you're taking a risk and putting yourself in a potentially unsafe position. Does that mean that you should never leave your house? So, what kind of life would you have, if safety truly came before *anything* else? We are not trying to build and invent new things here, just trying to enjoy a recreational past time. And safety is a concern for Mountain climbing SCUBA diving Boxing Football NASCAR When is the last time a football player had to find his helmet in an electrical box? When is the last time a scuba diver had to open a light post underwater to get to an emergency breathing apparatus? When was the last time a boxed had to search in a transformer for his gloves? When was the last time a NASCAR driver had to do a race with the electrical wires all over the floor of his car? Yes they all have risk but not those that are preventable. Accidents happen in life so using walking across a street is pointless. If you want to go that far then being conceived is a risk when you account for genetic defects, chemical imbalances or your new parents to be life style. This is not about typical risk this is about people making caches that can make people comfortable with these types of caches and then one person makes a dreadful mistake.

There was a post not to long ago, but long enough I can’t find, where people posted pics of tricky caches. It was this post that opened my eyes up big time. I, living in the country, typically find containers in woods not urban hides. So when I travel I tend to be in more urban areas for my searches. Having looked at these photos there gave me an ideas where to look in urban areas. One of the caches I found was only because of seeing the pics of what others did. So I searched for a place to get inside the light post. Now if it were not for reading and seeing what other geocachers were hiding their items I would have NEVER touched that light post. When I could not find the caches by regular means I thought that this could be one of those caches hidden in the light post. Sure enough it was. I know yall been beating what is real and not real electrical outlet, box, item ect… But I think your missing the basic principle. I found one in a lamp post next time I can’t find one in an area where do I start looking at? The equipment around the area, that’s where. The photos I saw of some of the fake equipment were made pretty darn well using actual electrical boxes and conduit. Just because something is mounted to a wall and has no conduit showing does not mean that it is not hardwired in the wall. Electrical outlet in the middle of the woods. Yes it is cute idea and I would probably think it was funny if I came across one. But I even have to remind myself of people like my father who buried a cable from his house to a pine tree far from his house so he could have electrical power out there when doing work. Granted this is his private property and no one would be caching there but it does make me think. Hiding a cache on the outside of such items is one thing, given the area itself is safe, but to have people actually open, dismantle, or unscrew anything electrical or machine oriented is bad news. I don’t also want to hear how electrical boxes have locks and taper seal tags on them. In my youthful days when board I took up removing the tamper seals that they would put on outside of the electrical boxes. (yea I know but that’s what I did at times as a kid) My point here is what’s to say some kid out there doing the same just like I did. John Doe and family goes looking for cache in a park can’t find it so he starts looking at a bath house (restroom – what you like to call it) notices on the side of the wall an odd junction box that partially open (due to kids) and John Doe kid does what kids do at time and stick his hands in before looking. Granted none of this has happened but why start teaching people to look in places that should be off limits. Taking the stance of if you can’t tell if it live don’t touch does not work. You put the cache there and the cacher wants to find it.