ReadyOrNot
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If I wanted a thousand emails a day, I could easily fill the desert around me with 100s of easy park and grabs, and become a "smilie" hero to power cachers. I don't want to be idolized by power cachers, I would rather my reputation be "that guy that hides great caches in great locations."
No power cacher am I, (702 finds in 7 years) but your implied dissent begs a question.....
What is so distasteful about being a power cacher? I see this time and again and I don't get it.
CCCooperAgency now caches incognito because of attitudes like yours and worse. Lynn is a good friend of mine and she never deserved the outright loathing that was heaped on her when she was the top cacher in finds here.
Help me understand............
Strange world.
You are belittled for being a power cacher and I was belittled because I only had 85 finds.
Bizarre, isn't it?
How dare someone with thousands of finds assume they have more experience than someone with 85. I'm going to march up to HR right now and demand I get paid at the senior engineer rate (7-10 yrs exp) even though I only have 2 years... And while I'm at it, I'm going to go tell the senior engineer that he is belittling me because he *DARED* offer me guidance because of his additional 7 years of experience...
The only thing bizarre here is your issue with taking critical feedback from someone with more experience.
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I think that a more apt way to look at this is that the hider put an amount of effort into hiding the cache for the community. If the community doesn't give the same amount back in logs (cumulatively), then the cache owner should reevaluate the cache and his personal expectations. Those are the things that likely are broken, not the community.
In a perfect world, all caches would be unique, exciting experiences and the folks that found those caches would write of their experience finding the cache. The only time I think a cache owner should delete a log is when they have reason to believe that the person did not actually find the cache.
That being said, I also think a group of 50 people doing a cache machine, all writing "Portland Cache Machine #175" is a MAJOR annoyance. Should those be deleted? No...
Perhaps the answer is giving an option on the website to mark the cache found without entering any text. The find count would increase, but the online cache logs would not get flooded with completely worthless cache logs. When I'm out in the field looking at the last 5 logs and they're all "TFTH", that's completely worthless. The only reason they write it is because they are forced to write *something*...
To sum up, the suggestion is: Allow cachers to log a cache as found without any notes
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Tossarrian is correct even the free PHPBB has boards way busier than here and working great! I will shut up about it though as it is not productive.
I'm sure that you are aware that there are many other variables than simply how many logged users (my assumption of your definition of "busy"). How much history is being stored, how many of the logged users are posting (writing to the database) as apposed to reading (we tend to be a very verbal group, I would say), and probably many other things that don't come to mind right now. Nevertheless, I suspect that you are right.
Curiously enough, today has been very good for me. Only two timeouts, and was able to get right back in. (there, I probably just jynxed the site for the rest of the night... sorry, folks)
I agree completely.. Most forums, the majority just read posts. This forum has a huge number of database writes compared to most. There's a big difference between 50 concurrent queries and 50 concurrent writes. And I'm guessing the database is on the same machine as the web server.
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The bottom line is I am an adult and think like an adult and wouldn't get my itty bitty feelings hurt because everyone doesn't pat me on the back for the wonderful cache I placed.
That's not the issue... I generally go through a lot of trouble on the few caches I have placed. Placing caches is BY FAR more fun and fulfilling then finding them. I get a little excited when I get an email saying that someone found my cache.
It's VERY annoying when I go to read the log and it's "#100/293848372 Today. TFTH" I would never delete their log, but it is extremely annoying. I agree with others in this thread: The more difficult, the better the logs. You get out of this what you put into it.
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So how would you feel if someone determined your cache to be "Un-interesting". Should they remove it and send you an email to put out a more interesting hide in the future?
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I am beginning to believe the problem is something other than the number of users online as well (although the number of users reading and the number of users posting, while related, are two different things to a database). I've been keeping an eye on the users online stats and I am not seeing a relationship to the number of users vs the number of timeouts.
I've had the unfortunate pleasure of using mysql in the past. It's not a very robust and scalable system. Hopefully Groundspeak is looking into a solution utilizing MSSql. It makes more sense to run the forums with the same technology (.net/mssql) as the geocaching.com website. Why have all your expertise with Microsoft based products and then run the forums on php/mysql?
Just my 2 cents
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Why is running it like a business such a good idea? The owner is making money out of everybody else's generosity in creating all these caches. Why should one person have the overall right to all that data? It should be free to all the people who created it.
Maybe we should nationalize it? Have the federal government buy them out with money from China and run it for free for you! Sounds like a plan to me......
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Geocaching has lost much of it's value since becoming an acceptable form of recreation. Maybe becoming banned will bring back the excitement factor to the hobby.
When someone tells me I can't do something that I have every right to do, it makes me want to do it even more!
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Did anyone listen to yesterday's show? Elliott was talking about how cars will drive up to the top of the parking garage on Rockville Pike, MD, and get out of the car, walk around, get back in the car and drive away. Usually 1 or 2 people and always different cars. A caller called in guessing that it might have been a geocacher--of course Elliott had never heard of it, so he and his morning crew completed busted this caller using words like, dork, loser, etc. What do you guys think?
Not exacly nice is he? It also speaks to his audience.
Generally speaking, we are a bunch of geeks
Just saying.......
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All caches require permission but I'm guessin the majority (around my area) never got it. Permission must be from the 'body' that owns the land. That being an individual, company, State etc.
This is just not true. Not *all* caches require permission. Sometimes permission is implied. For instance, placing a cache in a publically owned area, such as a local park. Sometimes public areas can require explicit permission, but I would check with your local geocaching organization or with a reviewer in your area to make sure.
Generally speaking, if the cache is going to be placed in a public area designated for public use, then permissoin is implied. After all, this land is *your* land, this land is *my* land. Why would you need permission to place a geocache on your own property? So why would you need it for public property.
So If my kids like to play horseshoes and our public park doesn't have a pit, I can go dig up the ground and make one because it's 'my land'. Of course I'd advertise my horseshoe pit on an internet listing page so others would know about and and come find it - I think not.
Oh come on... If you are digging up public property and placing permanent structures as part of placing a geocache, then you need to re-read the guidelines... While you are there, why don't you read the section on permission.
Also, I believe that if you are digging in a PARK, you might require permission from Parks & Recreation. They allow people into the park, but as with most park rules, it is carry in-carry out, so you cannot actually add to the park. That's why on some baseball/softball diamonds, there are no trespassing signs and you can't just go organize a pick-up game.
Exactly why there are no hard and fast rules relating to permission. There are just too many variables to make a clear and concise "rule". Use common sense and determine yourself if explicit permission is required.
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Please take the debate offline you two.
Aye Aye!
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To save you the time:
By submitting a cache listing, you assure us that you have adequate permission to hide your cache in the selected location.
If you decide that you need to contact the mayor to place a magnet on the back of a stop sign, then by all means, enjoy the ride...
I'm not going to debate this with you. BUT - It is against the law to affix anything to any traffic control device - DONE
I love it... I'm not going to debate this with you, ***BUT*** .... But, I am... And I'm going to write "DONE" in big bold letters which is what? Some kind of indication that I'm not allowed to respond?
I think it's been made clear to the OP that your statement of "100% permission all the time" is bunk... DONE
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To save you the time:
By submitting a cache listing, you assure us that you have adequate permission to hide your cache in the selected location.
ad⋅e⋅quate /ˈædɪkwɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ad-i-kwit] Show IPA
–adjective 1. as much or as good as necessary for some requirement or purpose; fully sufficient, suitable, or fit (often fol. by to or for): This car is adequate to our needs. adequate food for fifty people.
Notice the adequecy determination is made by the owner of the cache. It is up to you to decide what "Adequate" permission means. There are some cases where you may be wrong or you may not be aware of special circumstances or requirements. That is why we have reviewers.
If you decide that you need to contact the mayor to place a magnet on the back of a stop sign, then by all means, enjoy the ride...
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All caches require permission but I'm guessin the majority (around my area) never got it. Permission must be from the 'body' that owns the land. That being an individual, company, State etc.
This is just not true. Not *all* caches require permission. Sometimes permission is implied. For instance, placing a cache in a publically owned area, such as a local park. Sometimes public areas can require explicit permission, but I would check with your local geocaching organization or with a reviewer in your area to make sure.
Generally speaking, if the cache is going to be placed in a public area designated for public use, then permissoin is implied. After all, this land is *your* land, this land is *my* land. Why would you need permission to place a geocache on your own property? So why would you need it for public property.
So If my kids like to play horseshoes and our public park doesn't have a pit, I can go dig up the ground and make one because it's 'my land'. Of course I'd advertise my horseshoe pit on an internet listing page so others would know about and and come find it - I think not.
Oh come on... If you are digging up public property and placing permanent structures as part of placing a geocache, then you need to re-read the guidelines... While you are there, why don't you read the section on permission.
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All caches require permission but I'm guessin the majority (around my area) never got it. Permission must be from the 'body' that owns the land. That being an individual, company, State etc.
This is just not true. Not *all* caches require permission. Sometimes permission is implied. For instance, placing a cache in a publically owned area, such as a local park. Sometimes public areas can require explicit permission, but I would check with your local geocaching organization or with a reviewer in your area to make sure.
Generally speaking, if the cache is going to be placed in a public area designated for public use, then permissoin is implied. After all, this land is *your* land, this land is *my* land. Why would you need permission to place a geocache on your own property? So why would you need it for public property.
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Or merge with this thread
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But seriously, what does this thread have to do with geocaching? IMO, this type of thread (there are also the "How did you serve", the "Nurses who geocache" and other similar threads) do not belong in the Geocaching Topics forum. Simply putting "geocaching" in the subject is a very tenuous link to actual geocaching.
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I remember a certain deaf geocacher that posted here often and was looking for other deaf geocachers. The topic was "Any pastor cachers out there"... That seems quite relevent to geocaching. I'm sure he was interested in having a discussion with like-minded individuals. Let me get on my soapbox too!
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But seriously, why does a completely innocent thread have to be hijacked? Does it really bother you that much that a pastor is curious if there are other pastor cachers out there? If not here, then where would this be relevent? If it doesn't bother you, then why even get on your soapbox and derail this guys thread? Hmmmmmmm... Sounds like "Instigating" to me.
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I hardly think that something on the scale of a single cache will bring down the wrath of the copyright gods. I doubt that the SWAT team will dive out of the bushes to arrest anyone that takes a cd from the cache. Provided the cache is not on private property then the container and all contents are technically considered abandoned property and no agency will take the trouble to try to establish a chain of custody on items considered abandoned, that are constantly changing hands.
That is why I don't consider it a bad idea.
- Rev Mike
So it's OK to do something illegal if you probably won't get caught?
Apparently... Perhaps you should just reference yourself as "Mike"... You kinda send the wrong message with the whole 'Reverend' thing...
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Sounds like a good idea to me.
Im assuming the 'Rev' in your name is short for 'Reverend'? If that is the case, why would you publically support music piracy, aka: theft?
Just to throw my 2 cents in, I agree that it's not a good idea and I would imagine such an idea would not get published because of the clear violation of the law.
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You don't live in a house made of wood do you? Many animals are killed during the harvesting of trees... From the tiny little insect to large furry rodents...
The only way I can see for your GF to completely avoid harming animals would be to shoot herself to the moon on a rocket.... You might miss her though
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LEOs don't, and won't, and shouldn't, check with Groundspeak.
They do, however. most likely check with the land owner or manager.
Don't want your cache blown up? Make sure it has adequate permission.
Simple, really.
I agree with you, but, I can think of one instance where permission was obtained and the cache was still blown up and charges filed. A quick search for "bomb" turned up a bagillion matches and I wasn't able to find the thread, but it happened some time this year.
Yes, permission only goes so far! Letting LEOs know about our fun would likely help even if they don't go so far as to map out all the caches in their area (I realize many places couldn't possibly do this due to the MANY caches in the area). Having the LEOs know there's a game out there where we pace and find containers might just make a difference when it comes to the decision whether to call bomb squad or not!
So what? How does a LEO's knowledge of the existence of the game effect their decision about a suspicious package? They would be irresponsible leaving any suspicious package in place without knowing 100% that it was safe, regardless if there are stickers or a geocache is *suppose* to be located there. How do you make 100% sure that it's safe? BLOW IT UP...
Reminds me of the attitude certain citizens have regarding the "center of mass" rule. They think the cops should be able to shoot the gun out of the criminals hand (like life is some dirty harry movie). "Why'd they have to kill him? Couldn't they just shoot him in the leg or something".... Put yourself in the bomb squads position. You've got family at home and you're looking at a suspicious package. Would you bet your life or someone else's life and just leave the suspicious item there because it *MIGHT* be safe?
Where did common sense go folks?
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I still think it is a good idea to let local LEOs be a bit more "in the know".
......and...... ok fair enough - if the general thinking is be safe not sorry - blow it up (no matter what it is) and then ask questions later - then I think it only fair to stop trying to "charge" somebody either monetarily or criminally for having placed a cache. We all can't be responsible for how people react to seeing our plastic boxes in/near a tree (whether in sight of somebody or way off in the back woods).
I agree... Intent is everything. If the cache is placed legally and in accordance with the agreed-to placement guidelines, then nothing should happen to the owner of the cache. Unfortunately, logic doesn't always win when emotions are involved.
There are too many "suspicious" packages and objects that are not geocaches, where checking with geocaching.com would be a useless and time-wasting step. So what if it's not listed on geocaching.com? It doesn't mean anything. If it is listed on geocaching.com, that doesn't mean anything either.. There could have been a geocache near the bank, or even near the bomb that was placed. It's just better to be cautious, especially when lives are at stake.
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We recently had a situation take place just a few weeks ago in a town called "Woodburn" (about 20 minutes out of Portland)
A phone call was made to a bank stating that there was a bomb on the property. The police were called out, searched high and low and found a suspicious object in the bushes outside the bank. The police determined that the object was harmless (but opened it just to make sure). Later on (the same day I believe), another call was made to a bank across the street, again stating that a bomb was on the property. The bomb squad again searched the property and found another suspicious object. They again determined the object to be harmless (perhaps based on the previous call earlier in the day). They brought the object into the bank and opened it. Two law enforcement officers were killed on the spot when the bomb went off, another was critically injured (I believe he lost his leg) and an employee of the bank was also injured.
Law enforcement needs to treat *ANY* suspicious object as if it were a real bomb, regardless of a sticker placed on the box or whether its listed on a website. The bomb squad officer thought it was safe when it wasn't. Just because a box is listed on a website or because it's got a geocaching sticker on it does not mean that it's safe.
I wouldn't bet my life because of a sticker or the word of someone who runs a website several thousand miles away.
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Are TPTB purposly limiting the iPhone app to not disturb there friends at Garmin and Magellan?
The iPhone will never be able to compete with Garmin and Magellan units that are designed specifically for GPS. The iPhone GPSr is not even comparable to my Garmin Vista HCx. In addition, for some strange reason, Apple has really limited developers and put them in a box (so much for thinking outside the box Apple!)
I use my iPhone when I need to look up hints or get up-to-date information off the cache page.
IMO - At this point, the iPhone is not capable of being a stand-alone geocaching device. (not to the fault of Groundspeak)
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I had a cache removed by a "Friends of the park" type group once. They claimed it was disturbing the plant life. I hid the cache in some invasive blackberries....
One man's trash is another man's treasure
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Without knowing the version of mySql, it's just a stab, but this sounds like a good candidate
http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=20815
Link to the suggested fix: http://lists.mysql.com/commits/31724
I like the fact that TPTB are moving away from php and mysql as a final solution though.