Ecylram
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We don't consider a failure to log a DNF. Nevertheless, we don't post one unless we felt we gave it a good solid search or if something might be amiss.
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I don't delete those logs. I just post a Note or Owner Maintenance log that says that the cache is right where it belongs...Just today I had a cacher post a DNF on one of my caches and said that it must be gone cause he didn't find it.Log was deleted quickly
Definitely.
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Please...
No playground hides.
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More like kissing yourself, I should think.That is like kissing your sister.+1
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let B = Geocache can be logged online as Found
let A = The physical log has been signed.
The guideline is equivalent to: If A then B.
You are claiming: Not A therefore not B.
This is called denying the antecedent.
and is faulty logic.
However there is an out as far as you are concerned
let C = When pigs fly.
Then the statement
C, if not A then not B
would be true.
That is not a "Denying the Antecedent" fallacy as the guideline is not making a logical argument. Denying the Antecedent fallacy logical arguments are of the If/Then variety. The invalid argument goes "If A, then B...If no A then No B". An example from Wikipedia:
If Queen Elizabeth is an American citizen, then she is a human being. Queen Elizabeth is not an American citizen. Therefore, Queen Elizabeth is not a human being.
The statement in the guideline is not logical argument, it's a statement of a precondition: Once A occurs , then B can occur. The line again:
Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the physical log has been signed.The premise in this discussion is that an individual posted a log online without signing the physical log. Question was essentially "Should the online log be deleted because the physical log was not signed." Seems to me that is a perfectly acceptable measure to take based on the guidelines.
Do some CO's play it differently? Yep, and they are allowed to do so.
However, this is not an example of a Denying the antecedent fallacy.
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The aGPS won't use much data, nor will the cache descriptions etc. What *will* chew it up is the mapping, especially the satellite images.
What he said.
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But in my humble opinion (and I know it is shared by some of you out there) his major fault was perhaps being a little too overzealous and as a result, he posed a threat to the small minority who prefer the game to remain “as is” and apparently want to preserve the status quo at almost any cost.
I'll second Chokecherry, Ashnikes was not banned because he was overzealous. This would be a thin board at times if that was the case.
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Thankfully, a bear has never decided to ransack my camp because he could smell the Snickers on my breath!
BUT, there's always a first time for everything I guess! LOLTo a bear YOU are one big Snickers bar. What's on your breath is irrelevant.
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I have a similar question... I primarily cache alone and in an urban setting. I live in a rather large suburb, but it has a lot of "open space" land that is basically fields and trees, or protected wetlands. Being young and female, I'm constantly vigilant but here's my question: what kind of tools do you carry for safety? I've been considering buying pepper spray or something similar, but I'm severely asthmatic and if I sprayed an attacker I would probably incapacitate myself as well.
Best safety device for you is to bring a trusted friend. You're far less likely to have a 'problem' if there are two of you.
As for Pepper Spray...
It works, but only if you have in hand which is unlikely if you're holding a GPSr. Even without a GPSr, the ladies I know who carry pepper spray generally are real bad at remembering to walk with it in their hand. Digging one out of a purse is not a good option in an emergency.
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We were caching one night after sunset and dropped the black cap of a nano. We had to come back the next morning to retrieve it. We now keep spares.
Also, I saw one log where a cache slipped out of a cacher's hand and was list in a winter stream running beneath it.
It happens. Sounds like you did everything correctly.
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It really depends on how much caching you do and how much you make use of other data services. I suspect the average cacher would only use a fraction of 200mb in a month.
You can determine this for yourself. The iPhone keeps track of your data usage. You can find it under | Settings | General | Usage. The figures are located under the 'Cellular Network Data' section. You can either write down the numbers or click the 'reset statitistics' button. After your caching trip is over, check the numbers and see how much you used.
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I came across a cache a few weeks ago that was a gallon jar completely wrapped in camo duct tape and had a handle fashioned out of the tape which was used to hang it from a tree. It was fully exposed to the elements and it was disintegrating in a dusty, ugly fashion. It appeared it was only a matter of time before the 'handle' will fail and the entire cache would fall.
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Read through your logs and I didn't see anything wrong with the length or content. As long as your descriptions don't provide spoilers they will be a welcome addition to most logs.
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Well...
Make it a puzzle cache but instead of emailing you the answers. The answers can be applied to a chart, paragraph, fill-in-blank, etc. on the cache page that is used to converts certain letters in the answer into numbers that can be plugged into the coordinates. Place a real cache at those coordinates.
The cacher will have to divine the answers in order to find the cache. If they get the answers wrong then they won't have the right coordinates.
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I had a nightmare about 3 DNFs last night.
I didn't sleep well at all.I've had days like.
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One of the coolest things I've seen are the personalized coins/poker chips which cachers place in the caches they find. I'm going to get some for myself.
Are these tradeable items or are they meant to be left in the caches like a territory marker? Often they are the coolest thing in the cache. I've seen some with multiple chips, so I figured those are for trade, but I'm really not sure what the deal is.
Thanks in advance.
Those are tradeables.
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Moving from the Getting Started forum to the Geocaching Topics forum.
Seems to be a getting starting issue to me.
Me too. But people will play nice on this subject.
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(i'm now waiting for the posts saying that the iphone 4 is sooo much much better.)
Yep.
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3. Is there some Secret Hand signal, or shout out to give in the field when you suspect you see another Cacher, but don't want to blow cover in case they are not. My husband is certain there has to be one.
Thanks in advance for your sage answers.
Nytshaed
Molester of Sprinkler Heads and Bolts.
For #3 I just hold up my GPS and say hello...cacher's get it.
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global warming had to renamed climate change cuz the first was just not working too well. climate change is a safer bet. the climet has always been changing....we can be smarter but it should be tempered vs the cost in jobs and damage to the economy and the profiteering that always follows a fad or trend that follows on the coattails of science of religion or whatevah
This is why these discussions never end well. First is the argument on whether CO2 is causing significant warming (logarithmic effect VS multipliers), then the argument is on how much is human caused and how much it could be mitigated if true, then the argument of 'how' to do that, then there is the argument over cost effectiveness. For good measure throw in side arguments on solar effects, La Nina, El Nino, general ocean circulation effects, Volcanoes, measurement problems, statistical issues, urban heat islands, irrigation, changes in methods to measure temperature, etc., etc., etc. OY!!
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Global climate change is 100% a fact. It is not debatable by anyone with a modicum of knowledge. Furthermore global climate change will always be occuring, as it always has in the past. Now have humans caused a rift in this normally occuring phenomena? That is most assuredly debatable.
Literally, you are absolutely correct. However, in most contexts these days the phrase is code for anthropogenic CO2 emissions causing global warming. When taken in that context it is a heavily debated item, so I don't take much issue when I see that wording.
On your final point I believe most people who've seriously studied the subject would find, without much debate, human influence on weather in regards to the heat island effect, irrigation's effect on night time lows, and deforestation's effect on moisture in some areas such as Kilamanjaro. The CO2 question may be debated and argued until the next little ice age.
I have yet to see an internet discussion/argument on this subject go well in a neutral forum such as this, which is why I wish this thread was moved to Off Topic.
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To answer your question about why I deleted one of the DNFs, its because I wrote a PM to the cacher pointing out that it seemed like his description didn't match the general vicinity of gz and to offer a personal hint. I doing so I thought I was being supportive of a new cacher. The cacher wrote back to me indicating that the DNF he posted was in error -- it pertained to a completely different cache. I agree -- I could have posted a note explaining all this, but that seemed like serving up a bit of public humiliation. I felt it would be more graceful to delete a DNF that was in error (by the cacher's own statement).
I do intend to check whether the cache is still there. It may well be gone, but that wasn't my point. My point is that I think it's a bit odd for someone with little or no experience finding geocaches to assume that it isn't there simply because they didn't find it. The low number of finds (all concentrated within a week or so of publication) *may* reflect the location of the cache -- it's about a 20 minute walk from parking and there are no easy caches nearby (just *very* tough one -- coupled with extraordinarily hot/humid/rainy weather through the summer.
The problem with being a new cacher is...you don't know what you don't know. It takes experience to really learn how to search well and to learn how things are hidden. Also, a cacher writing a missing note is TRYING to be helpful to the Cache Owner. They MAY (probably) be wrong but they are trying to be helpful with their note.
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What has really annoyed me is that there are two consecutive DNFs on one of my caches. The first one was by a cacher with only 7 finds who said that he was sure the cache was missing. His description of the area didn't match the location of the cache. I contacted him privately and was told that he had posted to the wrong page (!). No offer to delete it, but just a an offer to "say nice things in the log" when he finds one of my other caches. I have since taken the liberty of deleting the erroneous log. Then yesterday I had a DNF from a cacher with 0 finds who said "There were severe rains recently. Maybe it washed away? ". Given the location and that even experienced cachers have found the GPS signal to be flaky near gz, I really doubt that is the case.
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Sorry for venting but I sure wish people would have a bit more humility about their caching skills.
First, a question, did you verify the cache was still there? You had five finds the first week and none in the following seven weeks. As unlikely as it may seem, that second person may be right. I know noobs (and I am one) can often be wrong, but...sometimes they are right.
Second, why delete DNF's? What I've seen and liked by cache owners is they will post a note in response to a DNF. In the case of the first one, you could write that the person's description doesn't match the GZ and suggest, in a nice way, they double check the coordinates they entered. For the second DNF, a note saying the GZ is not in a wash area (if that is the case) might be an appropriate response.
Final thought...There is a learning curve to being a cacher, just as there is to being a cache owner. I have a great amount of appreciation to cache owners who are understanding and kind to the new kids as they learn. I've become a big fan of a couple of CO's just because of how they handle DNF's.
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What are the tiny small clear capsules with little notes in them for? They were in a clear plastic bag and there was probably about a hundred of them.
I'm not following your question. What are you referring to, a cache? More verbage please.
BUT, there's always a first time for everything I guess! LOL
I need to vent about DNFs from new gc'ers
in General geocaching topics
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As one of those n00bs with an IPhone
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Because n00bs don't know all the ways a cache can be hidden. Their only previous experience was what they hid from their parents as teenagers.
It takes a little experience to find out all the creative ways that cache can be hidden. It also takes time to learn how NOT to glaze over a scene but actually see the details. Until they learn the skills, they really do believe they have looked everywhere and "it's just not there". They don't know what they don't know.