Ecylram
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now they even removed the name of the creator from the challenge page
That ain't right. The creator should be acknowledged in some fashion, even if there isn't ownership. This decision will, in my opinion, lower the quality and quantity of challenge caches.
The name of teh challenge creator still shows up. The very first log shows who created teh challenge, unless that person deleted the log.
no it doesn't, only the ones created yesterday show the name of the creator
That is correct.
In my very strong opinion, one of the biggest things that needs to be corrected with Challenges is the lack of acknowledgement to the creator of the cache. There will be more pride in the creation of challenges and more challenges created if the originator of a challenge is mentioned on the challenge page.
It sends the message that the paying customer (only Premium members can create these) who spends time to create and craft a challenge is unimportant. When the customer feels unimportant, they leave. Acknowledging the creator of a challenge does not require the granting of any ownership rights, so that shouldn't be an issue here.
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This whole challenges thing reminds me of the "New Coke" fiasco back in 1985.
New Coke was a replacement for the old Coke. It was not only different but was taking away an old standby.
Challenges is an additional "product", not a replacement product, and at 26 hours of life I'd say its way too early to proclaim it a failure.
The success of Challenges is dependent on Groundspeak being nimble enough in its decision-making to get through this startup period.
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I'm thrilled with how proactive Groundspeak has been in archiving questionable challenges. If they didn't there would be no chance of challenges would catch on.
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Barely notice them. Can't say I get too worked up about it. Who knows, might be handy.
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now they even removed the name of the creator from the challenge page
That ain't right. The creator should be acknowledged in some fashion, even if there isn't ownership. This decision will, in my opinion, lower the quality and quantity of challenge caches.
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Without getting into any arguements over challenges. Post up what you think is a challenge worth completing, One you enjoyed completely, one that requires you to get out of the house. Please limit your posts to only what I ask. There are other threads for that. I will start with one, that I just created. One I fill is worthy of being a challenge.
Thank you for posting this question.
There's been a lot of angst over the bad challenges, but there is a lot of freedom in the structure for the creative types to come up with something unique and entertaining. Even, something new. This is a real opportunity for those who think outside the box a bit to come up with something original.
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3. The creators of challenges should own them the same way they own caches, with the power to edit, delete apparently bogus logs and archive a challenge.
I believe one of the biggest problems with the Challenges is that there is no form of "ownership". Without some semblance of ownership there is no "pride" in creating the challenge. The result is fewer and lower-quality challenges.
I've noticed that Groundspeak has chosen to not have the creator of the Challenge listed with the challenge. As a finder I want to know who's creating the challenges so I can follow the better creators. As an creator, I want to create something I can take pride in.
I figure Groundspeak will eventually do something to acknowledge the creator of a Challenge in its listing. If they don't, the whole Challenge game will likely go in the dustbin for me (as I assume it would for many others as well).
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I've seen a few "Purity" posts in the last day where the statement is essentially "I'm a 'Pure' geocacher because I haven't logged a Challenge". I've seen several references now to people who've deleted a "find" (or whatever it is called) so they can be "pure".
I'm not a fan of the "Kiss a frog" challenge or the several others that were created yesterday and promptly archived. I didn't do any of them. I am starting to see some interesting challenges come out and I might do those. But, the whether I've done a Challenge or not does not affect my status as a "real" geocacher. Challenges don't take away from me any of the experiences I've had geocaching.
For now, I'm taking a wait and see attitude with Challenges. I suspect that, just like geocaches, we'll see good ones and bad ones. Over time the good ones should float to the top and the bad ones will disappear. Groundspeak has been very clear that Challenges are a work in process and changes will happen. Patience.
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I think there are problems with your idea, but I also think it is a mistake for Groundspeak to be stifling the discussion. The issues are real; burying the discussion will not make the problems go away.
The problems I see with your idea is, that I complete a challenge (let's, for the sake of argument, a very difficult challenge), I have to wait for you to approve my challenge, but you may no longer be active.
And even more to the point, does the challenge creator even have any sort of special access to their challenge once it has been created? From what I have read so far, they do not. It isn't their challenge once it has been accepted.
To your point...
We've got a cacher in our area that has a challenge cache where they will not provide the final coordinates until they feel the challenge has been met. (Yes, I know this isn't allowed but it exists.) Cachers wait for months to get the final coordinates. The potential finder will send emails and contact other cachers on what to do. It creates a lot of angst and discontent. I'd hate to see this issue on a larger scale.
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At least nobody is rushing to judgement...
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It's obvious SOME users don't like the change.
Everybody should just take a step back and breah for a moment. This game WILL be tweaked, the bad challenges will disappear and the good one's will rise to the top. It will be some time before this matures.
Changes I'd like are having the creators name in the description, ability for the creator to edit the description, and some ability to remove bad logs.
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Introduce your friends to the game of geocaching.
I feel like all my friends would think its lame or nerdy or geeky...I mean it is...but when I think about myself, I am kind of a nerd but i'm not friends with geeks and stuff...so I think they would just laugh or say its stupid. I don't want them to think I'm weird just because I like doing this.
I'm having deja vu again.
haven't you already posted about this at least once before?
or was that in Off Topic?
It was on this board. See my posts on the last thread for my advice.
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ooh man, anal passage hides, bush hides...i wonder what's next
If there was a cache near the Ypsilanti water tower, it would be one of my favorites.
Nope, no caches there. Ypsilanti is short on geocaches.
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Don't worry, the Brazilians are removing all the bushes.
Some are just clearing the way for a landing strip.
But don't go placing caches at airports.
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Did you see the Nude Caching thread?
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Besides the allergic reaction risks, I don't think you can truly ever get the food smell out of plastic containers enough that an animal - especially a raccoon - will overlook it. No matter how well you clean than peanut butter jar a four legged cache bandit will try to chew on it.
Your theory doesn't hold up to my experience. Peanut butter jars are arguably the single most common cache container in my area (Minnesota. We have raccoons) . I have found thousands of them and I can only think of maybe two of them that have been damaged by animals when I found them.
In my experience, though, PB jars don't seal out moisture very well, and tend to get damp/moldy inside.
The few Peanut Butter Jars I've seen in our area have been in pretty good shape. I'd classify them as above average.
No pictures but someone in our area just placed a chewing tobacco can as a container.
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I had a look but the nearest cache to me is 24 miles away
However I did cross post a cache I had listed here and it was reviewed in 2 days - half the time it took here -now that is a unique selling point!
So that cache had already passed through the Groundspeak review system?
Cache page shows it was placed on the 7/23 and published on 7/24.
10 finds on Geocaching.com and ZERO finds on OC.com. TheDonovans show they've never found an OC cache and 13 Geocaching.com caches.
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Firstly, their not using another site's listings. Groundspeak does not own them, the geocachers do - and they voluntarily listed them there.
How much are you willing to bet on that?
You're both right. Groundspeak owns the listings but the geocacher owns the geocache and can cross list it freely.
I'm only disputing the "and they voluntarily listed them there" portion of the quoted post. Who owns what is something that I think is really up for debate- somewhere else.
Are you saying people are being forced to list their caches over there?
One of Castle Mischief's caches is listed over there. He didn't list it, some other person (or it might be a dog) listed it, and appears as the owner over there.
That aint right. He should be able to get it removed. Which one is it?
I'm willing to bet that he is aware of it.
There's quite a few cache listings like that there. A lot popped up when Garmin started giving away Chirps for listings. Also saw a lot of caches created by cachers from distant states. To the credit of a couple of regulars on their forums, some people did bring these problems up to Garmin.
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I had a look but the nearest cache to me is 24 miles away
However I did cross post a cache I had listed here and it was reviewed in 2 days - half the time it took here -now that is a unique selling point!
I wonder why this must, dead thread was resurrected by a first time poster? Even managed to fit in a mention of cross-posting and knock GC's review system to boot.
I was one of those who was worried about the crossposting when OC popped up, for all the reasons mentioned dozens of times in this thread. Fortunately, OC never took off and is largely irrelevant to cachers.
These are the latest numbers...
For the entire month of July and in the entire world...OC added 194 non-imported caches (84 in the US). A spot check of those 194 finds that many of those are just rekeyed versions of GS caches. Meanwhile, Geocaching.com added nearly 34,000 unique caches.
In July, only 5% of the OC caches were "Found". This is a drop of 26% from June when 6.8% of OC caches were found. In my state, 63% of Geocaching.com caches were found in the last month.
At least 90% of OC's caches are just copies of Geocaching.com listed caches without the current log information. (This is important as I know of several OC listings that don't show that certain caches have been disabled or archived because the CO abandoned the listing.)
So...it makes little sense to argue about OC when they really aren't that relevant.
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I'm not a fan of throwdowns either, for reasons mentioned many times before.
I don't know of any way to stop it.
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You can also use the CompareDB macro to assist in this.
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There are cache owners who take DNF's personally. They are not supposed to delete valid DNF's that don't violate the guidelines.
Appeal the deletion to Groundspeak and it should be reinstated if the log is as you say it is.
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We had a couple in my area a few years ago that hid the first of what we now call power trails. <snip>
They are now in Colorado, <snip>
Thanks...Thanks a bunch.
LOL! I shouldn't be laughing as I live in Colorado, but...'I don't care who you are, that's some funny stuff right there."
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I heard about moving caches but never come across one. Looks like that cacher still has one active: http://coord.info/GCA87C.
Dislike the new layout
in General geocaching topics
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Date is coming back in the next update.
I don't hate the icon but would have implemented differently.