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If I was with someone when they placed the cache, I sure would log it, but I would definitely wait until after someone else came and got FTF. Knowing where it is shouldn't be a reason not to log it, if that were the case, I'd lose about 100 of my lamp post finds LOL. As for logging your own caches, don't bother.

I'm in the same boat, I've stopped myself from asking on the forums because everyone just redirects you to the thread of people talking about a bug happening a year and a half ago. But it's been almost 7 days now, and my TB has visited 8 different spots and not had it's mileage updated, even with the Recalculate Distance option: TB3EKQ7

The colors in that picture are freakin' amazing! I really enjoy that photo.

Non magical folk.

I'm a little bit of everything, I really enjoy finding cool location. And another part of me REALLY enjoys well done, creative, camo. No matter what the size, I enjoy seeing quality craftsmanship invested into a cache. Especially those ones that are right in front of you and it may take several visits. But once you finally do find them it feels SO good. When I first started I hated those, I used to ask myself "is this guy trying to hide it from Geocachers, or muggles?!" But I've come to really love the hard, creative hides. Ones I do NOT like are the needle in a haystack hides. Nothing feels like a bigger waste of time than going to a drainage ditch with thousands of small to medium size rocks looking for a micro container glued to the bottom of one of the rocks. On par with these, and equally hated by me are micro hanging bush hides.... Seriously, the BEST you can come up with is hanging a small bison tube on a random branch of a huge bush?! Or this one.. a nano set deep in one of the cracks. THAT one was interesting:

I found a black pouch containing about 3 hypodermic needles and some heroin. I did a Dog the Bounty Hunter and stomped em after I threw them lol.

2 weeks ago I visited my parents up in Santa Barbara, CA. My Dad and I went out geocaching and I was mentioning I wanted to find out if I was immune to PI/PO, and just about every cache we went to off the path had TONS of it everywhere, so he was like "well if you want to try, here it is!" so I broke up a couple leaves, and started rubbing it hard on my leg. And pretty much every cache the rest of the day i went dancing around in the PO, I must have eventually gotten hit from head to toe. I'm glad to say I'm am part of the 30% that is immune to it . Which is a GREAT piece of mind when searching for caches near the stuff.

Nice rigging there in the pics, I'm interested to know has your gps ever vibrated out or gotten loose after biking on less-than-smooth terrain? I like the idea, I may have to try it.

Nope, I'm not saying that either. But as a finder, I play dumb, and assume that they have. So now this presents a few options as the finder, you either NEVER go to these types of caches, assuming that none of them have permission, or you don't worry about it, and deal with the security when they confront you, and usually are understanding once you explain what you're doing. But automatically requesting a cache be archived because a potentially ignorant security guard came to do his job, isn't very productive, or nice to the CO who put the effort in placing and maintaining the cache.

Considering it's in the guidelines for posting a cache, it's usually assumed that permission was granted, and not usually mentioned in the description nor required to be in the description. I'm going to play devils advocate here and say maybe the CO did get permission with someone who has not made the geocaching situation known to new LEO's. Being approached by a guard is not an automatic red flag that the cache isn't authorized, the person may not know about it. A majority of the time a simple explanation will get them off your back, and possibly even interest them.

"Ok so after searching for quite a bit through all the discarded trash, I see this black pouch in the tree, I grab it, unzip it thinking I had found the cache... Wrong, it was a syringe, and also tucked away in the pouch was some heroin! Ahhh how lovely. After throwing that stuff, I notice that some crack head has made quite the bachelor pad down at the bottom, complete with family sized tent, lazy boy chair and about 20 brief cases which I'm sure he paid for LOL. Anyways, I'm not too sensitive so I continued my search for a little bit longer until I heard 2 voices approaching the tents from further down by the river, My wife, daughter and I ran about as fast as we could out of there before we got caught lol." My DNF log from a cache along a bike/walking trail in an urban area next to a river bed. Even when I don't find the cache I like to write a good note

Yeah nothing bothers me more while reading my cache logs than some acronym only, or copy pasted "Out with (soandso) today doing caches in the area, and yours was one of them! Thanks!" Those bug me :/ Especially if I'm stumped at a cache and go to read comments and only see that kinda stuff. I usually write about any mishaps or assumptions I had when searching for a cache that turned out false. Or it's fun trying to talk about the cache itself without giving away it's location. ie. "I had my hand on it the whole time without realizing". Or also mention the scenery or weather, anything to add some personalization. Sometimes I'll copy paste a generic beginning, when I do 15+ caches, explaining what I was doing in the area, and then I'll write more about my experience with the cache itself. Or just something short and quirky if it was really boring.

I stress the part where I specifically mentioned the water I hike by... I can probably safely assume our urban aqueduct water is a TAD worst than actual creek and spring water in Oregon lol.

Unfortunately if I drank the water I hiked by, I'd get one or more of the following: Anaemia Arsenicosis Ascariasis Botulism Campylobacteriosis Cholera Cryptosporiodiosis Cyanobacterial toxins Dengue Diarrhoea Dracunculiasis Fluorosis Giardiasis Hepatitis Hookworm infection Japanese encephalitis Lead poisoning Legionellosis Leptospirosis Lymphatic filariasis Malaria Malnutrition Methaemoglobinemia Onchocerciasis Polio Ring Worm or Tinea Scabies Schistomiasis Trachoma Trichuriasis Typhoid I've inherited a backpack capable of housing a hydration bladder, I just never invested the 15 dollars in getting one So I just bring my 2x 2 liter bottles of water lol.

"Give Blood, Go Geocaching" There was a cache in front of a blood bank, dedicated to a guys daughter who was thankful for their services. After grabbing the cache, I stopped in really quick to give blood Nothing like taking that phrase literally lol. Free cookies, chips and water! As for injuries, nothing more than minor scratches.

I was JUST up in Goleta visiting my parents too! Darn shame I missed this one haha, I did do a cache or two of yours tho ($$ Tracker).. Did quite a few RonFisk caches too I loved it up there! Such a contrast to a lot of [my opinion] lower quality hides found down here.

No kidding huh? I feel like I'm on trial for telling a drunken story.. Hopefully I never have any run ins with some of these people at a meet in greet. That'd be the most boring event ever, someone would tell a story and people would just stare at them. Like a dumbfounded Simon Cowell

A couple of things. 1) If you were mocking the security and obviously behaving drunk in public he didn't abuse his power. As far as I know, security guards no matter who they are working for are mandated reporters (Snoogans can correct me if I'm wrong), and if someone is drunk in public and doing something suspicious he would have to check it out, and if it were bad enough; he may have to report it to LE. He probably yelled at you because you were mocking him and repeating his questions over and over each time he said something. That would piss me off as well. I'm not sure if I would yell at someone, but what did you expect? 2) Some security guards are hired for more than one business, sometimes by the whole block, shopping center, or a couple of blocks. When I worked for a casino, we had our own security guards, but there were also security guards hired by the town that would patrol the parking lots of several different casinos. They weren't city workers, they were a private company hired by the city. So take that into consideration, he may actually HAVE been the security guard for that lot as well. I'm not attacking you, just giving you a few more things to think about. He came out yelling at me before I even opened the door to my car, hell, we'd only been parked there for no more than 5 seconds when he came literally jogging out from his building. He never saw me drunk. AS a result, I mocked him for being so over zealous. Was it bad judgement on my part? Yes... Do I realize that? Yes.. Do I STILL feel that the guy was being a bit on the ridiculous side? Ohhh yeah. Edit to add, he was not the guard for both security lots, he was inside the building when we drove up. In addition my wife just reminded me we know the security guard for the Rite Aid area He always is nice to us and our daughter when we walk by lol.

For the sake of people who may be in my area I didn't specify the exact location. Here it goes, it's actually ON a structure attached to the Rite Aid Building. It's not in the divider, or in the parking lot, there's a wheel chair ramp that goes up to Rite Aids rear entrance, and it's accessed from that.

The cache runs near the border of 2 parking lots, on the left, is a Rite Aid, whom I had the permission from to place the cache behind their store. 10 feet west, and over a 3 foot block wall divides the office building in question. The first time I drove through I was on the security guards turf (My wife missed the turn for the right parking lot, since she was driving ) The second time around around 45 minutes later we parked in the Rite Aid parking lot side, and before I even opened the door of our car, he came running out of the office building literally yelling at me asking what I was doing. It caught me off guard how serious this guy was being when I wasn't even on his turf. Granted he may have been suspicious of the fact that I accidentally drove through it earlier, he could have just kicked back and drank some coffee and observed instead of pulling a John Wayne and come out yelling. To help visualize my story, I've created a little drawling: Yeah in my initial post I said it was IN the office building parking lot, I was wrong, the location of the cache is 100% on Rite Aids side. I was just going to park in the office parking lot to make it quicker to walk up and place it. As for the trolling comment, no, I'm not *that* pathetic. I thought I was the one being trolled here after a while. And it's not a bad hide by any means the 3 who found it so far enjoyed it (well, 2 were about to DNF it when the 3rd pulled up and they searched again). 2 of them called to thank me for the hide. This cache isn't for those who despise urban micros, or 'stealth required' hides. By all means, don't look for it, and try not to judge those who place and/or look for them!

erp derp Well if nothing else at least I know I can count on Mountainman to stand up with me against this security guard who abused his power by harassing me when I wasn't even on the property he was being paid to protect (well, the 2nd time around at least LOL)

Relying on some incomplete internet dictionary for definitions of words is not using your brains. Really? How is this incomplete? Because it doesn't have YOUR definition listed somewhere? Seems like a pretty reasonable source to me. If you have a more credible definition, feel free to post it. If not, just attacking someone else's research proves nothing. True. However, this has nothing to do with whether "Stealth" is the correct term to use for this type of behavior. Deception, misdirection, etc. would fit better. You don't get to decide when or where a words definition fits. Words have meaning, whether you choose to use them properly or not. I do understand that. I fear you don't, however. Really? Clarifying a words definition, by showing it's actual meaning, tells you that this person doesn't have a real response? How do you figure? I agree that the concept of avoiding detection is understood. Calling it by the wrong name certainly doesn't serve any useful purpose, however. Wow man.. just wow.. Pick your battles, you're seriously going into a narcissistic rage over a word.

So you used your position as an officer of the law, someone that we should be able to look to for protection from harassment, as a means of harassing someone for your amusement?! Not cool. I've seen people post this type of story before, and it seems to me that any cop (or person in any position of authority) who uses that position to harass someone for their amusement, needs to find a new line of work. I'll try to extend the benefit of the doubt to you, and hope that you hadn't thought of it this way, but that's exactly how your actions come across. Interesting, after a 2 paragraph rant, scolding and finger pointing, you then mention you'll give him the benefit of the doubt, contradicting your entire rant. And why did you post that then? I thought it was a funny story. You need to lighten up. I'm sure the two have seen each others aliases in logs, and once he mentioned who he was it was a grand ole' time. PS.. You don't know many cops to you? They are mostly cocky and full of odd humor that you apparently don't understand.

They can use whatever definition of the word they please, but if they go looking for caches around my area, I don't doubt they'll rouse suspicion trying to hide behind poles and duck under benches trying to not be seen. Meanwhile the rest of the geocachers will [hopefully] calmly disguise the location in which they found the cache by being nonchalant or discreet.

1st run in private security pulled up on me, it was 11pm at night I was in my business attire walking around a sprinkler piping system in an empty parking lot, I explained what geocaching was, they dug it and left. 2nd time was behind Citizens Business Bank Arena, under a transformer box behind their corporate building, as the security pulled up, I left before they got out of the car, it was too early and I didn't want to deal with it. 3rd I walked up to a lamp post hide, there were 2 water bottles on it, I moved them and got the cache, as I was driving away I noticed a security guard walking towards the lamp, fearing it may get muggled by the guard I turned my car around, returned, asked her if she was wondering what I was doing. I explained geocaching, she was cool about it, she was just wondering why I was moving her water bottles 4th.. Umm ok I guess I exaggerated in my initial claim of "4 run ins with LEO's". Being in such a populated area does have an effect, also the fact that I'm 26 walking around in a suit and tie at 11pm, or 6am doesn't help much. I'll retract my statement about it being part of the game, but I will say it is a potentially unintended side effect, and it's something you deal with. It happens, and it's not that big of a deal. ::Edit for age correction, I'm forgetting my age already