Legochugglers
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A lot of over complication here in my opinion.
FTF is the ........First to find the cache and sign the log. Simples.
If you dont sign the log you cant confirm you're first to find
Alas, it really isn't as simple as it might first seem. First, just because you cannot confirm that you were the first to find doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't the first to find. Second, couldn't you confirm that you were the first to find by photographing the empty log -- even if you didn't sign it? Third... Fourth... Fifth...
Sorry, I cant accept that. You find a cache that has just been published, you open it, there is a log book to log your find. If nobody has signed it than you sign it as the FTF. Timing of internet logs, taking pictures etc etc means nothing. There is only one rule for FTF ie you are FTF and sign the log.
That seems to be a reasonable way for you to play the FTF game. I'm just saying that you shouldn't expect everyone to play the game the same way you do. Real life isn't that simple.
I agree, there are always going to be the odd peculiarities that will emerge although the principle will always remain the same.
Our very first FTF was done with my boys on their way to school at about 8am. I signed the log and recorded our FTF online later that morning. I was horrified (but not as much as my boys) to see a simultaneous log on the listing claiming FTF. Luckily a third online log by one of the most prolific cachers in the UK confirmed that one of us had logged at one end of the log and the other had logged at the other. Soon sorted with an exchange of e-mails.
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A lot of over complication here in my opinion.
FTF is the ........First to find the cache and sign the log. Simples.
If you dont sign the log you cant confirm you're first to find
Alas, it really isn't as simple as it might first seem. First, just because you cannot confirm that you were the first to find doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't the first to find. Second, couldn't you confirm that you were the first to find by photographing the empty log -- even if you didn't sign it? Third... Fourth... Fifth...
Sorry, I cant accept that. You find a cache that has just been published, you open it, there is a log book to log your find. If nobody has signed it than you sign it as the FTF. Timing of internet logs, taking pictures etc etc means nothing. There is only one rule for FTF ie you are FTF and sign the log.
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WHEN IS A HINT A GOOD HINT
To answer the question directly this is my opinion.
The hint should be just that... a clue, a hint, a steer. It should not give away exactly where the cache is.
I have said on the forums before that providing a hint can be an art form in itself. I love something a little bit different and if its cryptic or needs a bit of additional research then this should say so in the cache listing.
Some of the best hints are those that make you stop and think for a few moments, look at your surroundings and... 'Ding'
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A lot of over complication here in my opinion.
FTF is the ........First to find the cache and sign the log. Simples.
If you dont sign the log you cant confirm you're first to find
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wow what an entitled post. what did you think you were looking for? buried treasure? this hobby should not be done cause your expecting gain some valuable loot. you do ti for the fun and the experience. if your this upset that the cache wasn't filed with great stuff then maybe you should rethink why your doing this.
and to bring up the membership thing? really? the website doesn't make the caches. your not buying items when you sign up for a member ship. your buying a service and, more importantly, your supporting the website and there for the hobby.
and if you dont like where the cache was, you knew that before you went out there.
Buried treasure would certainly be more fun! Seems like to me location and quality of cache are staring to become evident to me. I work near the inner city and almost every cache i've found around here is either a crappy container with a soaked log, hidden in high muggle area, or full of trash while hidden amongst it. I live in the country where every cache has been a waterproof ammo can full of fun stuff for the kids to find.
I get it that the website doesn't create the cache, but it does control access to them. For all i know the members who choose to make a cache Premium only also choose their best caches, best location, best hide, best journey, best whatever.
And that's an lame excuse to say that the location of the cache determines that its gonna suck. The CO could have done all kind of neat things behind the strip mall, i can't tell exactly what it is like from google maps! I could tell that it was bordered by an area covered in tree i.e. the woods, what can't you do in the woods? Certainly more than a guardrail hide....
I assume you recorded and shared your negative experiences in a polite but detailed log on the cache page to bring the situation to the attention of the CO and be a warning to others to avoid a 'crappy' cache?
Unless logs are honest then these type of caches will stay in existence and unfortunately new cachers will think it is normal practice and copy them.
I couldnt seem to distinguish which one it was on your list of finds. Have you logged it?
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"We had a fun day today. MAN was it pouring ! Lucky we had our raingear. Thanks for putting a hide here. #9 of 32."
Oh, you're so very welcome. I put hides out just so you can find them in pouring rain. Now me and the rest of the COs you hit can further serve you by heading out the next nice day and fix the 32 hides you've ruined. But I sure am glad you had raingear.
Really?
Did you put a 'DO NOT FIND MY CACHE IN THE RAIN' attribute?
I always ensure that any cache found in the rain is opened with dried hands, under cover, with great care not to get the log wet.
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At a halloween event, I was talking to some other cachers, and one one said to me and my sometimes caching buddy,
that we did not look like cachers, I'm not sure what a cacher looks like, so just for a bit of fun,
could you let me know, and I'll see If I come into any of your ideas of what a cacher looks like.
You look like a flat nosed, ugly looking dog.
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Further ponderings...
Eldest Legochuggler (age 11 ) came up with 'A Maggle' of geocachers which was a mixture of a group of geese and the word Muggle.
Youngest suggested 'a Search' of cachers which sort of made sense,
I suggested a 'Posse'
Mrs LC suggested a 'Weirdo' of geocachers although that about sums up her view of all my hobbies.
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I pondered this on another thread but couldnt think of a suitable witty name for a 'GROUP OF GEOCACHERS'
Any ideas?
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If you do manage to solve any (And I know you will) I shall have to arrange a puzzle solving 'Event' for when you visit North Wales.
(but Don't tell Deci because you (and I) know it is against the rules.
Oooh - that sounds fun. But no, I didn't realise it was against the rules. Why?Don't worry, Deci - don't have N Wales travel plans at present, alas.
FR - got bamboozled by the other one about snakes. Recovering just now...!
Deci (or any reviewer) will be able to explain it better but, something to do with not hosting an Event with the intention of going for caches?
That's got to be pretty much a load of cobblers.... Groundspeak can't enforce or police what people talk about at event caches. I've been to many events where there have been groups of people sitting around a table discussing puzzle caches.... amongst other things. As for 'Event Caches' not being set for the express purpose of going out geocaching.... Tell that to the Scottish contingent and they'll probably laugh at you. There have been quite a few instances where there have been in excess of 100 new caches set specifically for an event. If that isn't an 'Event to go Geocaching', I don't know what is!
I think the whole point of it is that an event is supposed to me a meeting together of geocachers to socialise* at a location. That's supposed to be the prime purpose. There has to be a location where you can all go and meet up to claim that you've "Attended". You're not supposed to have an event that requires cachers to go out and do a particular cache, or caches, on a group (or individual) hunt. Yes, we all know that many event organisers set new caches to go live for their event... but nobody has to go and do them.
Personally, we go to events for the socialising thing and quite often we don't do any any of the new caches that have been set nearby.
MrsB
Edited to add ... and if that socialising involves chatting about puzzle caches and trying to solve them that's fine... I guess... Don't know what the COs of puzzle caches would think about it.
I would consider it an honour that a group of regular Geocachers were discussing my Puzzle cache... some, it would appear, would consider it a breach of their civil rights.
Now then, that brings up a question that I probably ought to start on a new thread. What is the collective phrase for a Group of Geocachers at an event?.... see new thread `
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Easy puzzle, solved it in like 2 minutes
Well done....now go and find it.
I would if it wasn't a 5-hour drive lol
I'd checked the distances before posting, hence my challenge. Back on topic , I have set some Puzzle caches where cachers from several hundred miles away have obviously included them on their notification list simply so they can enjoy doing the puzzle with no real intention of finding the cache. They even sent an e-mail to confirm the answers and thanking me for the puzzle.
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There are 20+ caches in this series along that divided highway. The example I posted is near a street off the main highway that you could park at but you still have to walk along the side of a 55 mph road. There is even one cache in the median. I guess I just thought if someone is going to go to the effort of creating 20+ caches they wouldn't place them on the side of a major highway where you are sure to draw attention to yourself if you just pull off and park. Or stopped and questioned about hitchhiking if walking along the side of the road. Maybe people don't drive like idiots where you all live and people randomly stop on the sides of highways for picnics.
You probably didnt give us the best example to make your point then. However I do agree with what you are saying and as far as I am aware these type of placements seem to be a feature of North American Highways (I am sure there will be some exceptions) and they certainly wouldnt attract me either as being a pleasant experience.
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Using your example posted, 112 finds over 18 months with not a comment about dangerous placement or parking issues. I think you will be safe.
...a bit off topic but I have found 3 year old cache with 150+ logs that was a clear violation of the guidelines and was archived when the local reviewer became aware. Number of logs and lack of comments says little about whether or not a cache should be there.
Actually I think it is a relevant point, it is a real shame that 150+ cachers would ignore a clear violation.
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Easy puzzle, solved it in like 2 minutes
Well done....now go and find it.
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There you go, FTF logged although I suspect a more detailed log will be provided when they get to a computer.
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I have been looking for caches using the map feature to go find on my lunch break. There are a whole series of caches that appear to be on the sides of a divided highway. Here is one from the series http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=e685d50a-172c-473c-a623-194a1800bc9d Is it common to place caches that require pulling off on the side of the road? Seems a little unsafe and asking for some blue lights to show up.
Using your example posted, 112 finds over 18 months with not a comment about dangerous placement or parking issues. I think you will be safe.
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Ok. No worries. It's a puzzle cache, so I'm assuming that the watchers will eventually become solvers, then finders, and eventually loggers ... so I'll find out eventually. Like I said ... it's mainly out of curiosity more than anything. It's fun to watch the hunt for the FTF ...
I would take it as a compliment. Some cachers will see an interesting cache get published and will 'watch' the listing to see what the feedback is and whether the FTF's enjoyed it.
You will note that you now have a 6th Watcher because I am now intrigued from circa 5000 miles away. Looks like an interesting puzzle.
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Ok. No worries. It's a puzzle cache, so I'm assuming that the watchers will eventually become solvers, then finders, and eventually loggers ... so I'll find out eventually. Like I said ... it's mainly out of curiosity more than anything. It's fun to watch the hunt for the FTF ...
I would take it as a compliment. Some cachers will see an interesting cache get published and will 'watch' the listing to see what the feedback is and whether the FTF's enjoyed it.
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As someone that enjoys a good FTF race I'm afraid it comes with the territory. I have been out on many occasions where co-ordinates are wrong, caches haven't been placed, Puzzle co-ordinates are incorrect and stages of a multi are in the wrong place. Add to this that you might be the first one to encounter a 'bad' hide (dangerous, private property, spoof, very dificult but D/T one star, etc) then you need to be prepared for anything. Some will moan but I take it as part of the fun and excitement of being first out there.
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My little offerings:
Take some thick gloves
Acquire a local Ordanance Survey map
Follow the route/car parking advice in the listing page as your quicker route to GZ sometimes often proves disasterous.
Dont get stressed out if you dont find a cache straight away.
Take time to read and digest the ethos, guidelines and etiquette of the game.
Give some thought to your on-line log, CO's and subsequent finders usually enjoy reading and sharing experiences.
Think about what you are wearing in 'Stinging Nettle' season. Those singlets, daisy dukes and flip flops are probably great on an urban cache but not in the woods.
Wellies!
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This is exactly what happens to me.... it tells me it's all over the place when I'm standing stationary and is confusing as heck as to where it TRULY is. I have no problem following a compass or some directions or reading clues, but when my compass is spinning me(literally) in circles... it adds a whole new twist to the challenge.
I think that once you have come to a stationary position the GPS tends to stall and spin round. You are best moving about 40 ft away and then re-approaching GZ at a steady pace to get the best reading. On difficult terrain/under tree cover then you may have to do this a couple of times to get the best fix and then just put the GPS in your bag and hunt with your eyes.
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Oh and what does IMHO mean????
In my humble opinion I think you will have to work that one out yourself otherwise we would be doing all the leg work.
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Thought my ears were burning?
I've been geocaching since only March of this year and yet I have learned more about the subject in the last 3 weeks than in all the rest of the time before that.
What have I learned?
1. I'm not playing this game just for me.
I thought it was a way to get me more outdoors of a weekend. Put a bit of purpose behind it so as to make it more enjoyable and that my logs were a record of my visits. This is not the case. I am actually playing the game for others too as the previous posts on this forum highlight.
2. I'm not playing this game just for me.
After a day's geocaching I like to flop in my chair with a cuppa and watch telly with a sense of achievement. I tend to post field logs with the iPhone as we go so no need to do copious amounts of internetting on my return. I didn't expect that after a days geocaching some people go home, log their own cache visits then sit and scrutinise those of others for any suspicion of "foul play"?
3. Geocaching is not just a bit of fun.
For "The GeoStapo" this is not "a bit of fun" this is a very serious past-time with very serious rules that must be taken very seriously or else you shall get seriously taken to task or worse still possibly something more serious! I mean - Seriously?
4. I was doing it wrong.
Happy Humphrey I salute you for your comment "I suspect that the cachers in question simply haven't yet realised that it's not a "find" without a signature in the log book. Perhaps a tactfully-worded e-mail would suffice?"
For the reasons listed above I wasn't aware that logging a find for (what I classed to be) a "I would have found it if it was there" was such a bad thing. When you know it's not there and you know where "there" is, using a bit of initiative is not allowed and I should just accept a DNF for me and post a warning for other followers. I can accept this as a standard to play by and can see the benefit to all. As for the tactfully worded email? Not if the GeoStapo have their way (or should that be haff zerr vay?)
5. Some people in life are truly joyless.
6. Most people in life however are not.
7. Airto Moreira is a world famous Brazilian percussionist and has no links to the IRA.
8. I am sorry if any of my logs have inconvenienced anyone or spoilt anyone's enjoyment of Geocaching.
9. Some people just don't understand my sarcasm?
Rant over.
For the record I don't mind being put straight over my "bending of the rules" and can understand the reasons behind the need for me to modify the way I play. All future logs will be correct according to "Ze Rules" and will no doubt undergo a thorough vetting (not wetting - that makes it hard to write on?) by the Geostapo.
I can also see, with hindsight, the laughable nature of my "find" at Brummie Cut - Rocky. But then I can still remember how to laugh?
Happy Geo-caching all and thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Welcome, and good for you coming on to the forum and acknowledging some shortcomings and learnings. Etiquette and community policing are regular topics on the forum and rather than being 'Geostapo' as you call it I see it more as lively debate, information and honest opinions. It can also be good fun and a sense of humour is essential.
You can play the game however you like but dont expect everyone to agree with you.
I hope this experience does not put you off Geocaching but I get the feeling that you are pretty thick skinned. Happy caching.
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My last word on this... now look up the word, "OR"
S%%t someone just gave a logical and reasoned argument, quick, come up with a nonsensical post!
Nice to see that forum posting in the nude seems to be increasing!!.
Irish new Comer
in United Kingdom and Ireland
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Good for you. You have done very well having as many caches hidden and TB's in circulation than 'Found caches'.
I think you had a few probs with your initial co-ordinates for your hide but we live and learn. If i were you I would now enjoy picking up a good variety of different finds to give you a bit more experience and then I am sure you will be able to place some quality hides in some of the locations you have seen.
Good luck.