FullOn

Excellent suggestions so far. Thank you all very much. I do suspect that the few individuals I've dealt with so far are a bunch of yahoo's, much like the yahoo's that frequent these boards . I have contacted the person listed on the BLM web site as being in charge of the Wilderness area and I'll attempt to contact the NFS rep for the area today. I have not heard back from the BLM yet. Has anyone dealt with the NFS on the abandonment of personal property issue? It seems that this may be the one sticking point and seems to be the rubric that the yahoos are using to justify plundering caches. As to whether they were placed with permission or not, I don't know. They're not my caches.

I need to get some constructive help. There is a Leave No Trace group called the San Gorgonio Wilderness Association that is now threatening to remove geocaches placed in the San Gorgonio Wilderness here in California. Other than getting the owners to change thier caches into members only caches, does anyone have any suggestions? I've already sent a letter to the BLM who technically manages the land, but apparently the NFS actually carries out the day to day management. I'm planning on contacting them tomorrow. Any good suggestions out there?

I disagree in the affirmative with your agreement.

Another thing you have to take into account is the lead time for getting these made and distributed. This is what I do for a living - database publishing - taking huge databases and turning them into printed material, i.e. parts directories, medical provider guides, etc... As a best case scenario, you'd have about a month of preproduction, corrections and changes before you had a workable file. Then off to the printer and bindery for another month for prepress, bluelining, plating, printing, binding and boxing. Then at least 2-4 weeks for distribution before you got them into your hot little hands. So there's 3 months from the time you take the most current data and get a book into your hands. Look where we were 3 months ago just with cache placements, not to mention the ones that are no longer there. Good idea, but not too feasable. Same reason you don't see an internet yellow pages book.

stupid url...

And again.

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Send me one and I'll post it the Southern California Geocachers website! Thanks!

Micros are like any other type of cache - virtual, regular, etc... - there are good ones and bad ones. I think the things that make a good micro are the same things that make a good regular cache. First of all you have to have a good location. It doesn't have to be the most beautiful place ever, but it should at least have some factor that makes it interesting. I think that caches that have a twist to them tend to be more fun, i.e. a puzzle, offset or even just a fun and interesting description like a story behind it. Lastly, I think that as long as it has some thought behind it, it's got a good shot at being a decent cache. Micros thrown from car windows into the bushes at high speed are almost always bad!

I'm not sure where they got the container from. You might try contacting them through their profile on the cache page. It was a pretty tough find!

How's this for a tiny, evil micro... Smackdowns Super Micro.

Southern Caliifornia Geocachers was formed in February. We're not really an association (no dues, directors or anything like that) just a meeting place for us SoCal cachers.

FullOn was the name of a band I was in back in college, so when time came to get an email address for the band, since I was the only with an internet connection at the time (way back in the early 90's), I got FullOn as my email. It's stuck ever since.

I've been getting my pocket queries, but not my forum notifications. Strange happenings are afoot!

quote: What else can I say, they don't work anymore :-( Ditto.

That's better than me. I haven't got any replies on any of the topics I've posted on. They're listed in my notifications prefs as deliver email immediately, but nada. Probably just a bug thing, not a mac thing.

quote: The only signs are a wooden sign that lists the open areas and the list of closed areas and a sign that says to stay off the grass. If there's grass, how about the old microcache in the fake sprinkler hide?

It is fun. We're having one this Sunday in Simi Valley. http://www.scgeocachers.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=55

Maybe the cache doesn't have to be right at the viewing area? Could you place a micro in the parking lot or somewhere nearby? How about a magnetic micro on the underside of the sign or a trash barrel or along the trail or boardwalk to the area? Just a couple of suggestions. It sounds like a good place for a cache, especially if it doesn't get visited often.

I would tend to agree that it is a cache, and a fun one at that, but I still don't understand the insistance on not placing a new cache for the first leg. It seems like this may solve the problem of getting approval from the admins.

Maybe?

Miss Jenn, I'd suggest you go to Netscape 7. The java implementation on IE 5 is HORRIBLE! I'm on OS X with Netscrape 7 and I'm only having a few small problems with the forums. How is this better than the old ones again? Just giving you a ribbing Elias.

I'm on Netscrape 7 running Mac OS X. The only problem I've found so far is when you type in the search box, you can't see what you've typed. Other than that, the forums just look kind of clunky and very windoze like. What do you want in a Windoze World?

Sorry for coming to the party late. I just found this thread. I'm going to attempt to contact the original poster and begin a dialog. Up until now www.scgeocachers.org has been just a community site, but I can see the need for a little representation here. Unfortunately, here in Southern California there aren't that many areas left that could be considered "wild" that aren't already off limits to geocaching. Hopefully we can work out a peaceful co-existence here. Zenfully yours...

Finding good topo software is a problem. I've got one of the Nat'l Geographic packages for Southern California that's not bad, but it has kind of a clunky interface and the maps are pretty outdated I just got MacGPS Pro which isn't bad, but doesn't do everything I want by any means. As much as I love my mac I'm thinking I may buy a Windoze machine just for GPSing, topo and some HAM stuff that I want to do. XP really isn't too bad as long as nothing goes wrong with it. The interface is a lot like OS X actually. One of the main reasons I haven't bought an XP box is because I'll have to go buy Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark all over again. That adds another $1500 to the price tag!