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  1. I don't log each and every DNF because it's depressing to see all those blue sad faces. It makes me feel like Charlie Brown when he misspelled beagle.


    There's enough sadness in the world without the added humiliation of logging 3 DNFs in a row on the same cache, only to have some whippersnapper trot out there the next day and log a find with a flippant, "Easy grab."


    Depressing or not, i play by the RULES ... and again, i may stand corrected on what the RULES state on DNFs. To heck with those whippesnappers! :blink:

  2. What goes on in the minds of other players is secondary to what the rules state - and again, i'm new so i may be offbase, but i read the rules to say that a trip to GZ, a reasonable search and no cache = DNF. i'm all for consideration, but i'm more about following the spirit of the rules of the game. My intentions are always going to have to yield to what the rules state.


    Wagonmaker, i totally agree about the "NM" logs, which is why i lean more towards a note stating that you made it to GZ and muggle activity thwarted your efforts - it lets the next cachers know what to expect and is VERY considerate.


    i hope your thanks for cheery, respectful replies wasn't sarcasm, and if i came across as crotchety and/or disrespectful, i offer my sincerest apologies.

  3. My only concern is WHAT DO THE RULES STATE and WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS of the game? My personal rationalizations should not usurp the rules of the game. If the point of a DNF is, indeed, to signal that something may be wrong with a cache as Wagonmaker stated is IN THE RULES, then i will follow that rule of thumb.


    i am relatively new, but my reading of the RULES led me to believe a "Needs Maintenance" log served that purpose. i understood a DNF meant "i went, i searched, and my own search - overtly disruptive muggle activity notwithstanding - left me empty handed.


    Well, you have taken the time to log a "note". Do tell me how that differs from a "DNF", please.

    Does a DNF hurt you in some way? Perhaps it gives you a +/- rating in your score (ouch!)?


    A DNF denotes you TRIED looking for it, while a note says "i stopped by and due to muggles, couldn't find it" It at least lets the owner know that there is activity happening at his/her cache. i see a huge difference between a DNF and a note.


    Not trying to be sarcastic -- truly, I'm not. I'm just saying that if you bother to spend the time to log anything at all, why not a DNF? It is just as easy to spell out the reason in that log as it is in a "note" log.


    i DO log DNFs, but as i am new and a veteran pointed out, not finding the cache due to muggle activity is not really a DNF ... i couldn't perform a reasonable search. Again, IMHO, that is a big difference from looking and not finding.


    Granted, as some posters have stated, multiple visits in one day probably should be one DNF log, mentioning that "Hey, I tried this darn thing three times today".




    NOTES are not the solution to this "problem", as stated.


    In your opinion, no. In my opinion, yes.


    That blue frown sticks out like a sore thumb, making it easily recognizable to the CO (and a reviewer should the need arise) as well as other cachers. A "note" on the other hand should be used to signify a re-visit to the cache -- dropping a TB; introducing somebody else to geocaching; retrieving a dipped personal, etc.


    Or, "Hey i tried to do this thing but a muggle simply WOULD NOT LEAVE, and i didn't want to jeopardize the cache.


    Call me a purist, I don't care. :blink:

    That is just the way I see efficient use of logging techniques.


    i don't see where we disagree all that much! :blink:

  5. NICE! :blink:


    All rationalization and talk about cluttered logs, a visit to ground zero, a search and no cache = DNF. The idea of posting a NOTE about not making a find due to high muggle activity (which happened to us yesterday) is great idea.


    IMHO: Instead of NOT logging a DNF, a NOTE saying "did not find due to Mr. Nosey Muggle sitting on his fence sipping mint juleps" is very helpful, and it keeps the game honest.


    NOTES seem to be the solution here.

  6. For me, a single trip to the cache merits a log of some kind.


    This is the purest, logical approach IMHO - to some, however, it seems to be more about numbers and ratios. If i visit a cache, and can't find it because of a nosy muggle ... i state that in the log. Therefore, i am not discouraging anyone else from visiting the cache or making anyone think the cache has been muggled.


    It just discourages me to go to a cache, not find it (log the DNF) and then return (log THAT DNF) and then talk to a fellow cacher and hear them say "Yeah, i went there 4 times and didn't find it." ... but yet, i see NO log entries from this guy. AAARGGHH! :blink:

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