Gloom

I was thinking of putting one out tomorrow, maybe I'll make it in honor of Matt&Laura's 100th. If they don't mind it being over here on the west side (beaverton/aloha) that is... ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. [This message was edited by Gloom on July 01, 2002 at 05:21 PM.]

OK so since I'm leaving the area in a week, I need a couple of nice cachers to look in on my caches from time to time. Could I get some volunteers to be designated as step-cachers (or is that step-owners?). The caches are: Halfway Up(1.5/3) Posted(2.5/1) Nomer's Geodoggers(1/1) Shake, Rattle and Roll(1/4) The Boys and Girls of Summer(2/1) OHL#11 - Applegate Trail(1/1) Need a ride?(1/1) If you want to adopt one or more of these caches, please let me know. Thanks, Gloom ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

they must not like you makio.... BTW, nice Jeep. I wish mine had articulation like that. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

they must not like you makio.... BTW, nice Jeep. I wish mine had articulation like that. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

quote:Originally posted by Moun10Bike: As you've already mentioned, with locationless caches, the GPS becomes involved AFTER the find. With benchmarks, the coordinates come first (even if they are imprecise coordinates that are only displayed to the tenth of the minute). Using descriptions of the benchmark locations rather than the coordinates to find them is no different than using cache hints to find caches rather than a GPS (something that a number of people do). Hmmmm, so you seem to be saying that if I go to a benchmark/cache page and then find the cache using just the hint/description NOT A GPS OR THE COORDINATES, that is ok. But if I go to a locationless cache page, do some research find a place that fits the description then go there, again without the help of a GPS (only using it to log the find), that's not ok? Again, I realize that locationless caches are for the most part 'backwards', but some of the arguments against them just don't make any sense to me given the 'rules' for finding regular caches. It seems to me that things would be a lot better here if people who don't like the locationless caches would just IGNORE them and let the ones that do enjoy them play. But I suppose it cuts into their ego that some people might be able to 'pad' thier numbers (even though the number don't count right?) by hitting locationless caches. I mean some people might even get more FINDS than them! EGADS! (Let me just say, none of the preceeding is directed at anyone in particular, just general statements of my feelings.) As has been suggested before the best solution seems to be to move the locationless caches to seperate section (with more relaxed requirements) like the benchmarks, and remove the find counts. Or make a seperate find count just for the locationless. What I would really like to propose is a seperate section, ala benchmarking, with totally seperate find counts, search engines, etc. And I'll go one further, an admin(s) who is in charge of approving the locationless caches who actually LIKES/HUNTS locationless caches. It is my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that none of the current admins like them in the least. And because of that (and the new rules) it's almost impossible to get a locationless approved, even though some of the rejected ideas that I've seen seem perfectly acceptable to me (JMHO). I think if locationless is moved to another section we should be allowed to relax the rules a little bit on what constitutes a good locationless cache. Granted there are some caches out there that are just too trivial to be worth it (yellow jeep, Cha-Ching, and Hippie VW Microbus come to mind). But there are certainly some merit in some of the one's recently that have been denied. Sorry for the rant, I'll step off the soap box now. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. [This message was edited by Gloom on June 10, 2002 at 11:53 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by mtn-man: but now that I am being called names by a cacher To come to Lazyboys defense, I don't think he was calling YOU specifically a whiner. I think he was just stating that the people who can't see that some people DO like locationless caches even if they don't seem to be doing an excessive amount of complaining given that locationless caches are a very small portion of the available caches. He even goes so far as to call HIMSELF a whiner for complaining about the complaints. Now, I am certainly not Lazyboy and wouldn't think to speak for him, but I did meet him this weekend and he is a very generous and nice guy. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

a way to tell if a benchmark has been found on the search page. I prefer to find marks that haven't been found yet and as it is I have to go to each page to see if they've been found or not. I know I'm just lazy... ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

a way to tell if a benchmark has been found on the search page. I prefer to find marks that haven't been found yet and as it is I have to go to each page to see if they've been found or not. I know I'm just lazy... ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

yet. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

yet. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

quote:Originally posted by mtn-man: benchmarks are not Geocaches, so there is really no comparison since it is separated from the main site. The ones you find do not show up on your "My Cache Page". You do not even get a "Found It" count on the benchmark part of Geocaching. That is why no one cares. Then why do people care if the locationless caches are split out just the same as benchmarks? Seems to me most people who respond would only be happy if they went away completely. It has been brought up before that they be a seperate game, just like benchmarks, but people still didn't like that idea. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

Let me first clarifiy my position on locationless caches. While I don't think they're something I want to go after, unless they are especially interesting to me, I don't have any problem with them being on this website. I DO think that some of them are a little ridiculous and some form of restriction needed to be made (but not quite as harsh as what has been imposed). I do own two locationless caches, and I have 'found' a couple, three I think. So my question to all those who have a problem with them is this... How are they different from benchmarking? Meaning, most of your complaints seem to be that they aren't geocaching because you don't need a gps, and/or you go to the location first, then get the coordinates. Now it seems to me that benchmarking is ALMOST exactly the same thing. The coordinates list for most benchmarks are not very accurate, in fact I pulled some up today that were only listed to a tenth of a minute. Just for fun I went out and found 6 of them without even using my GPS by reading the directions included with the benchmark descriptions. So, if I'm able to find benchmarks without even needing a GPS, or a map and compass for that matter, how come all you people aren't up in arms about it the way you are about locationless caches? JMHO, Gloom ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

For the quick response, good info to know. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

Just wondering how often the geocaching.com database is updated. I ask because a couple of the benchmarks that I submitted reports to the NGS for, show the updated information on the NGS site, but not in the data here. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

quote:Originally posted by evilrooster: Multicaches...can someone point me to a good example of one? I've been all over the FAQ looking for a clear definition of one. A multicache is simply a cache that has multiple steps. An example would be where you go to the first coordinates and get the coords to the second step, maybe after finding a cache or solving a puzzle involving information found there. At the second coordinates you find the coords to the third and so on. Regarding your cache, maybe you could still put them all in one cache, but link each step to another page (outside of geocaching.com) that contains the explaination of each step. In this case you would leave any instructions regarding the actual finding of the cache on the cache page, but for each step provide a link that explains the history/significance/etc of that particular place. That would get around the 5000 character limit, although it would be kind of a pain. -Gloom ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

I don't see a problem with them. The more I reflect on it they aren't something that I want to do, unless they are something that is especially exciting to me. However I do 'own' two locationless caches. It seems that at least the vocal majority (including Jeremy and the admins) don't care for them. And the division between those who like them and those who don't seems to grow wider every time the subject comes up. In the interest of keeping things civil here at geocaching.com I think it would be best to split them out entirely. Whether this should be a seperate section like the benchmarks or a completely different web site, I don't know. I like the idea of having all the types of caching (traditional, locationless, benchmarking, etc) under one roof, as it just makes it easier to keep track of everything. So my vote is to create a new section of geocaching.com to contain locationless caches. JMHO, Gloom ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

EvilRooster, we had a cacher in our area try something like that and it didn't get approved. He has a series of caches, and in his latest in the series he made it a multi-cache and somewhere along the line you find the answer to the 'bonus' cache which was a locationless type. The admins wouldn't approve it. I'd try to get a reply out of the admins to see if this would be acceptable before you do it. Maybe if you made one large multicache out of it? ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

quote:Originally posted by Harrald: Looks to be more of a scavanger hunt type cache. _Caches dubbed "scavenger hunt caches" will no longer be approved unless they meet the guidelines above._ But what exactly is a scavanger hunt cache, and how is it different from a locationless cache? ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

There was (or is) a cache/TB combo in the Portland, OR area. I'm not sure exactly which cache it is, maybe one of the local cachers can tell you. But there was a padlock on the cache and the key was a TB that travelled around from cache to cache. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

Seems like it has historical significance to me. Maybe if you changed to be the CURRENT tallest building in the state/province? Like Lazyboy said, you're going to have a hard time getting a locationless cache approved, since it seems the majority of cachers (or at least the vocal majority) don't like them and the admins are moving that way too. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

...mine, read my profile. Kinda similar to your story, once started the name just migrated to whatever activity currently has my attention. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

...mine, read my profile. Kinda similar to your story, once started the name just migrated to whatever activity currently has my attention. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

quote:Originally posted by oregone: How about you move into my apartment in portland and take over my caches, then i move into your apartment in k-falls and take over yours? No one will ever be the wiser. Sorry, that goes against my affliation. I'm WESTSIDE!!!! //est$ide Gloom ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

quote:Originally posted by oregone: How about you move into my apartment in portland and take over my caches, then i move into your apartment in k-falls and take over yours? No one will ever be the wiser. Sorry, that goes against my affliation. I'm WESTSIDE!!!! //est$ide Gloom ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

quote:Originally posted by brettd: The act of placing a travel bug in a cache does set the bug in the field. It does not, however, activate the bug. The owner has to specify that the bug is in the cache before the cache page will display it. wait, now we're getting the terms mixed up. Activating and releasing bugs are two seperate things (aren't they?) Maybe I'm just confused as it's been a while since I released a bug, but I thought activating it was when you enter the activation code that comes on the TB envelope. That however doesn't release the bug. I thought releasing it was when it's first placed into a cache. Someone please clear this up for me. ---- Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.