Sagefox

If you're bothered by the unintended consequences to your stats caused by your logging a moving cache, you can always delete your find. I did the same thing back in 2005 when I wanted to have accurate counts for the states and counties where I've found caches. We've got a Delaware badge on our profile and I don't recall ever having logged a moving cache. Could these be Locationless finds? If so that would take more deleting than I would like to do. You do have "Where's My Name ???", the arbitrary coordinates of which are in Delaware. Yep! Got that one and the state boarder crossing sign loc that also was based in Delaware. Maybe some code could be written that would allow us to delete a souvenir. (Veneer? Where did that come from?)

If you're bothered by the unintended consequences to your stats caused by your logging a moving cache, you can always delete your find. I did the same thing back in 2005 when I wanted to have accurate counts for the states and counties where I've found caches. We've got a Delaware badge on our profile and I don't recall ever having logged a moving cache. Could these be Locationless finds? If so that would take more deleting than I would like to do.

We love SAGEbrush country. Have been to the Mojave desert many times but not to the ET area yet. Hope to get there one day and find at least three caches along the power trails. That would be great - just enough to get the idea. It's only 1600 miles (one-way) from our home. Shouldn't be a problem.

Hey....it's the forums ! We are supposed to discuss things, and ask questions. I for one LOVE to see all the records that geocachers make up and achieve. So keep posting them. I'm not interested at all in the rest of the gobble-de-gook. Same here. Keep those adventure stories coming.

Wow. Normally I agree with the Iowa blue duck but not here. I don't understand why finding a cache I didn't hide should not be considered as a find. This didn't really clear it up for me. I guess I don't equate Owner Stat v. Found It stat as a one-or-the-other claim in this situation. OP both adopted and found a cache they did not hide. I don't see how the timing of these events changes anything. I believe the act of adopting a cache to keep it alive should not result in the loss of a find here. That might be considered cruel and unusual punishment for their kind act.

I'm with you here. (With the exception of a reviewer who is very tuned into guidelines and who's opinions I respect - tough job that reviewing business.) Boy, I'm sure not with you on this one. I have a real hard time understanding how people think these practices are o.k.

Yes. I do. I like to read about these adventures. The folks in the video were upfront about how they did it and maybe the other teams used the same method. We can all make our own internal adjustment as to what constitutes an apple/apple record. To get stuck on the term "world record" is to miss the point. If people didn't get stuck on this term and just read about the adventure this topic probably would not have crossed two pages. Someone dinged the frisbeer/rjjones run seemingly asking how that could be fun. Climbing Mt Rainier (which I did) would not be described as fun. It is a challenge and a great adventure. Folks are running the power trails for the challenge and adventure. I like that.

I like this post best.

Actually, all of the folks that run these routes have been to 234 legit, unique, diverse, hidden caches too. They just add this element on top of all the other types of caches they enjoy searching for. This isn't the only kind of caching they do.

Very nice! Well you have earned this press coverage for all your creative park hides. We really enjoyed them.

Team Sagefox is making arrangements to make this pick up and delivery.

For those who have not driven the road between Othello and Potholes Reservoir you are in for a real geological treat. Between stops 60 and 67 the route crosses the Drumheller Channels that were formed by the Ice Age floods. These are amazing structures and it would be worth altering your CM route to incorporate this road if you don't think you will get up into the 60s. Or perhaps pick this area up on Sunday.

Yep. I was on this trek also and right behind Shop99er' who was one of our group leaders. I had three 9-year-old girls with me who absolutely loved the bushwhacking and they had a great time and were nearly the muddiest ones at the finish. A small part of our group, 6 or so, did get lost and ended up right back at the cache again. It took them some time to find their way out. Two of the girls and I were in the center of the full group on the way out when it broke apart and left in small groups going at least three different directions. It was very eerie that within about 25 seconds it was total silence from all directions. It would be tough to get out of there without a gps. The girls didn't know I had a track log and I let them decide what direction we should go in. They picked a direction no one else had gone and it ended up being the shortest way to reconnect with our inbound path. Great fun!

Yep. I'm 100% with you on that. I think, however, that the incidence rate for bogus finds on physical caches is quite low. Thanks for participating in the forums. I have learned a lot, refined and even changed many of my early impressions and positions on specific issues by participating in discussions here. It is and has always been commonly accepted practice that to qualify for a smiley all you need do is be at the immediate cache site in the presence of the open container and the log is signed either by you or for you with you standing right there. How you got there, who led you and who opened the container is really a moot point. Geocaches are very similar to backpacking caches. When a group of hikers gets to the much needed cache of food in order to continue their adventure it does not matter to the group who finds the cache. All benefit from the find. It is a barrel of monkeys to be out with small and large groups. My discussion immediately above is also part of "the old fashioned way". If you get to know some of the power cachers in your area or view their profiles it shouldn't take long to discover that imbedded within their big numbers are plenty of solo caching runs and higher difficulty/terrain rated caches. It has been shown in past forum posts and statictical programs like INABTN and Fizzymagic's that most experienced cachers have around 10% higher difficulty/terrain cache finds. For example, a cacher with 8000 finds would have somewhere around 800 tougher finds. That's not chump change. I am guessing that PAF and being hand led to caches amounts to no more than 5% of anyone's find count and even that percentage seems rather high to me.

Serves them right!

Sorry I didn't see this earlier, but here are teh GSAK corners: # Oregon Page 17... ...45.000000, -117.000000 Are these for the current OD or the last one? The pages are slightly different in area covered.

I chatted several times years ago via email over WSGA issues from our then home in California. We later met him at several CMs and had only the shortest of chats but I knew from the first contact that this was a very fine individual. Subsequent chats only confirmed this. Sorry to hear this news.

I didn't see that this post was responded to. One day is far too short of a time to be grabbing travel bugs that have not been placed on the cache page. You might not have taken vacations or 3 & 4-day weekends into account and that not every one has a laptop or even the time at the end of a vacation day to be logging. They should try to get the tbs logged immediately but not everyone can. Folks on vacations longer than one week should find a way to drop the bug within a week and preferably a few days. Others have already stated that a note with the tb is a good idea if it will take more than a few days to log it in. I agree. One week seems very logical to me based on years worth of seeing and trying several options. If people do wait more than one week, regardless of their situation, then they should not be put-out if someone grabs it from them before they place it.

Everyone has pretty much said it all. I, too, miss this site. We recently got back from a trip to California where we were out coloring counties at the exact moment this site closed. The county color maps were my favorite feature and a long time ago I posted the map updates to our profile page each time a county color changed. Coloring counties changed the way we geocache. I included a link to INATN site hoping that others would join in and, ideally, contribute some cash. Hopefully, some tech savy folks will get together and negotiate a deal to reactivate INATN. We will gladly continue to contribute money to this site. Thanks CHs for contributing some much of your time, energy and money to developing and improving your great web site. Good luck to you and your growing family.

Mission accomplished! Red Jeep delivered!

I tend to agree with this. Once our Copy Tag disappears I put the tb to bed for good. Now copies of geocoins are another matter because there is no copy tag. But... I believe I would retire the coin rather than use a xerox copy. In either case, there is a chance that the original will show up in a year or two. I let ours age a long while before sending out a Copy Tag.

Oh, see if they notice it but don't let them get away if they miss it!!! It is fun "discovering" people. I guess that was the next logical step after cars.

Yes, thanks dorgie. I thought of that too and the cache to the west is my backup should Dimmick prove unsecure. Plus, I have not been to that cache so it would be double the fun to add the Jeep and it is still on the Navarro River. The way that Dimmick is hidden, however, makes it possible for me to put the Jeep in a modified toilet paper core and add camo tape to it to match that of Dimmick. Then I plan on attaching the jeep container to the cache container. They will be approximately the same diameter and the attachment will be non-invasive. If, when I get to the site, my plan appears safe then I will leave the Jeep. If not your suggestion will be the perfect backup.

This is very common. Some cache owners don't maintain the tb inventory. Whether they aren't paying attention to the tb traffic or just don't care I don't know. I often will write to the cache owner or post a Note on their cache page something to the effect: "...The cache owner has the ability to remove missing tbs from the cache page inventory. It is very easy to do. Just click the travel bug link on your cache page and choose the 'mark as missing' option." And some cachers move tbs without logging them. At least these tbs is still in the game and a little mystery makes it interesting. They probably disappear at about the same rate everywhere. Eventually most seem to end up missing. Some are kept by newbies that leave the game, some get lost, for some the cache they are in gets muggled, and some folks just decide to keep them. I suspect that almost all tbs eventually go missing but many last several years before that happens and some even reach a destination and get retired. Happy to see that you are concerned about them. It will be fun having you guys in this game.

A Red Jeep travel bug showed up unannounced at a cache not far from our home in Olympia, WA. No log action, no note in a bag, no indication of its name or who put it there. When I got home I discovered that it is named after the Navarro River on the coast of the California where we lived for 30 years. Whoa! A chance to deliver a Red Jeep to its namesake river in our old home territory? I'll take on that duty. We spent our first 5 1/2 geocaching years in Mendocino County, CA and placed at least 3 caches along the Navarro River which is 13 miles from our old home. We plan to deliver this traveler to the nearest cache as listed in the link on the Red Jeep page. Dimmick Without A Gimmick is one of my favorite caches and it's a little toughie consistently with more dnf's than finds. In fact, it is the site of our 100th dnf which I proudly list on our profile page. The Navarro River is 700 miles from our current home. This will be a fun cache run.