Sagefox

But they did. Well, the first kids did. Every time I take my 5-year-old granddaughter out caching she always finds treasures that make her happy. Last Monday she made a 4 for 4 trade at one cache alone. I just make sure there are regular size caches in the mix.

And it works with the Colorado too after you update the software. We have a chirp in our car which is a travel bug and occasionally during caching events someone will get our signal. With the limited range, however, we seldom get found because of the chirping. We also have one at a two-stage multicache where the chirp gives the final coordinates and a hint so the chirp-enabled don't have to do the math to solve for the final stage. It is cool because the folks don't even have to hand enter the new coordinates.

Your decade long bias might be clouding your vision for this topic. Most folks seem to have accepted that if you make any effort to find and log a container cache it counts as a find. Being "selective" is an admirable quality and folks will always associate your find count with high value caches. It is one of many styles of container geocaching. Folks here are upset that the new challenges have the potential to add high numbers of containerless finds to the total geocache find count. This is clearly different from container caching. This is an interesting and pertinent discussion about how the Prime Directive may have changed. I find it interesting to see how it affects people and to see how this discussion might affect my bias in this matter. Forum discussions of the past have led me to change my opinion about containerless caches. Maybe it will happen again here. Maybe not.

And then there is the middle of the road... (why should it be limited to only two options?) Signing the log is only one form of proof that you were there and did open the container. There can be alternative forms of proof. What usually works well is telling your story. Most cache owners will not fault you for logging a find without signing when you explain the situation. Make it a fun story and you get extra credit! Signing the log is an important factor and we should always make every attempt to do so. With only a few exceptions opening the container is perhaps the most important factor, or, when caching with others, being in the presence of an open container. I have only twice in over nine years felt the need to delete a find and that was when the signatures were not in the log AND the cachers opted not to tell me a credible story, a.k.a. alternative form of proof. You found the cache and I am assuming that you opened the container. That is a find and I would not hesitate to log that as found. If you are back in that area again another visit to the cache to sign the log would be an admirable thing to do. The cache owner has the power to delete your Found It log but, typically, they won't do that if you provide a story.

Our caching territory spans about 1600 miles of the west coast and I, too, believe damage from caching is rare. The deal is, though, it is like the evening news, a few bad situations stick in our craw and it begins to feel like an epidemic. Often, too, I see comments about damage at a specific cache and I don't agree with that assessment. Some folks are a bit quick to criticize.

Yep. Geocaching has been a big part of my life for almost 10 years and I have always been satisfied with this site. It has been fun to see and make use of the changes over the years. Bookmark lists and PQs have really improved the "important part of caching". I also really enjoy the public profiles and the individual creativeness that some folks put into theirs. I'm with many others who have posted here. Some minor improvements would be helpful but are not absolutely necessary. Groundspeak does make improvements continuously.

Very reasonable. I agree.

Ding, ding, ding. And the correct answer goes to WRASTRO! Peer pressure with a gentle but firm hand is an effective way to keep this game orderly. If the errant find logger does not hear from the cache community on this matter then they learn that it is o.k. to continue the practice.

Muggles and deciding not to trespass make good dnf stories but are poor excuses for claiming a find even if you are 12,000 miles from home. I disagree with these types of Found Its. Ya gotta let some of 'em go. There are some cases where claiming a non-signed-log find might be o.k. such as if you have a container in your hand but can't get it open through no fault of your own. (A combo lock where you didn't solve what was needed to get the combo does not qualify as no fault of your own.) If you get the container open but the log is missing or destroyed and you don't have anything for a temp log then I have no problems with folks logging that as found - you found the container and opened it. That's a find.

Except that when you consider that NDOT (and all other state and county DOTs) are responsible for the safety along the road. I'm sure this has already been said but I'm not going to read this entire topic. I am checking in from time-to-time to see where this might go.

Yep. Me too. Especially when there is but one paragraph for each 15,000 characters.

This sounds a bit harsh. Some things just pass-on with time and it might be best to let them go. It seems that the icon has become more important than the caches.

The iPad is and expensive item to be toting around while hunting caches. It would be vulnerable to the elements and its life might be severely shortened. It seems to me that handling it would be very awkward while searching at ground zero and while trading and signing the log. EDIT: Also, you won't always be in 3G range and many great caches are in remote locations. You likely will hit some very long download times when in spotty locations. A more practical approach might be to buy an inexpensive PDA on Craigs List and load cache pages before each trip via Bookmarks and PQs. An easy to use program like Spinner will prepare the downloaded file for loading into the PDA. We did this for several years before buying a gpsr that takes cache pages directly.

This is a fun topic. I like the math and tech discussions. I also like: Yes, indeed.

...I chose to open them through Geocaching.com but now I have decided I would like to open the caches through the Geocaching App My telephone always gives me the option of using either one. I can't answer this question for you since we don't use an iPad for geocaching but I am quite curious... Do you plan on using the iPad out in the field for caching and not using a gpsr? Does the iPad interface with a gpsr? Do you have a G-3 iPad?

In nine years of geocaching I have not run across what I believe is your description of a team. I'm not sure what the benefits of this kind of team would be but it will be interesting to see what comes up here. My wife and I call ourselves a team because people were thinking that I am Sagefox. Sagefox is our camper van that we take to sagebrush country whenever we can. It was not fair to my wife to have folks thinking that it was just me. I've been to all our cache finds and she has been along for about 1/3rd of them. Sometime other family members join me but they are all non-logging cachers. Many times while caching in groups folks will call themselves a team and use a temporary name such as Corn Dog Run (CDR) or some other fun name but these are temporary teams without accounts. It saves room on small logsheets to sign as a team. To create a team with an account is a very simple matter. Just open an account and give it a name and fill in the profile information. It might make for some interesting logging questions - logging as the team and logging again as individuals. What do you want to do as a team? What do you think others do as a team?

There's another topic where you can post the GC number of traveling caches and have them excluded from the stats and suvis: Caches to Exclude from Statistics and Souvenirs Yes, I know about that topic and MTB already helped us with a Netherlands cache problem. The Alaska cache is not a true traveling cache. It moved once many years ago and then stayed put so it has lots of legitimate Alaska finds.

I have posted a few Found Its on our cache pages to adjust for problems with other found caches. One cache was moved to Alaska after we found it. This didn't matter much until the statistical programs came into being and it messed with our farthest North and West stats. I changed that find to a note and posted a find on one of our archived caches and included the text of the Alaska Found It log. We solved the team hind/find problem by opening a separate account for my wife's few finds of our caches that I hid.

Thanks - on the list now! And thank you. My stats are now accurate and this may have helped all the other U.S. finders of this cache too since the Netherlands is so far away.

Thanks for this service. ThE WoOdPeCkEr GCWX1, Netherlands, listed as a Virtual but used as a Locationless Cache. It shows up on my statistics list as farthest from home, farthest North and farthest East. My plan was to simply delete my Found It or change it to a Note until I spied this topic.

I think we have moved beyond that part of this topic. Lets just let the space be spent on the geocaching presentation. That would be the most helpful thing we can do here.

Nope. What would be the reason to have a multi-cache if each stage becomes a Found It? This idea would present a cache saturation problem if implemented. There would be a rash of new multis which would defeat the cache saturation control currently in place.

This topic has drifted away from that thread. Probably best to keep it that way.

Dang. Missed page two so my post, appropriate for the end of page one, is hereby deleted.

That pretty much would be my list. My only change would be to #1 where I would add "...and I have a reasonable cause to believe that he did not find it." Yep. Me too, especially Brian's added language. And... giving a hint, as noted above, is NOT a valid reason to delete a log. Having the cache in hand and signing the log is a find.