Be careful where you place a cache, or they might be prohibited on all Parks in General geocaching topics Posted April 24, 2002 quote:Originally posted by The KGB: So using your example, I would love to have 1,000,000 visitors to my 800,000 acre home espically if I can tax tehm to maintain it and then charge them to come over. Oh yeah, and whats with the weather they have there, seems pretty rough, and it's odd that after all these billions of years, its still there. You are making one significant mistake. You are assuming that the vistors spread out evenly in the parks. That is not true in almost any of the national parks, wilderness areas, and national monuments, including Joshua Tree. The vast majority of Joshua Tree is essentially inaccessible to any but the most determined vistors. On the other hand, very specific spots, like 'Thin Wall', in the Hidden Valley area, or Wonderland of Rocks can gets hundreds or thousands of visits in a single day. Grand Canyon National Park is about 1,900 square miles in size, but virtually all of the 5,000,000 visitors each year go to the same 8 acres of the park... But of course, the logic (or not) of this, and how it relates to my point does not matter. No matter how vastly superior your logic, and no matter how mortally wounded I become from your rapier wit - the people who actually control the land use policies lean towards my way of thinking. And, have done so pretty consistantly despite pendulum shifts between left and right in US politics over the decades. So... we wind up back at the *original* post in this thread. Fail to follow the rules at your own peril. Unless you like complaining about the unfairness and stupidness of the rules more than you like caching, a 'my land, as I please' attitude is quite dangerous. And, this is the part that is hard for some to swallow, there will be no grassroots uprising against the tryranny of banning geocaching. The vast majority of your fellow citizens will care no more about your right to play hide-and-seek for Happy Meal toys than they cared about my right to claw up many unique rock formations all over the country. -jjf P.S. I am surprised that you bothered to research the park for your cutting analysis, but did not look more closely at the environment. Geologically speaking, JT may have had its rocky landscape formed a million years ago, but the fairly unique ecology, which supports all the plants that give it its name, is not nearly as old. The ecosystem has problems aside from trail wear and tear, route bolting, and gym chalk. Palm Springs and Palm Desert have grown significantly, as has 29 Palms and the city of Joshua Tree. Polution, and a somewhat taxed ground water system is taking a measurable toll on the ecosystem of the park. That's not to say people should build and live. It just means that it is incorrect to assume that JT has been the place it is now for the past million years, or that it will remain essentially the same, regardless of what we do, for the foreseeable future.