NeecesandNephews

From the description on the listing: The Ohio geocacher (who has to be the same geocacher who started the team) then finds the sixth and final stage. He/she signs the logsheet for both him/herself and all the others on his/her team. All geocachers on the team can then enter on-line find logs for the cache! That is about as lame as it gets.

The way I handle it?? If the log is full I post a NM. I have yet to find one I could not at least get our initials on somewhere. If the log is wet, I set it where it can dry a bit, or dry it under the vent in the truck while I look around the location, sign it, replace it, and post a NM. I will never take an old log from a cache. I don't feel it's my place. I have added sheets to some logs that were totally saturated and falling apart, but whenever I do that I put the new paper in a mini-Ziploc. I do this if I think the new paper is going to be saturated within three minutes of me leaving. Post a NM. I will not replace a log in a nano. I will poste a NM and a "Write Note" if I was unable to sign, instead of a "Found it". Yep... puritan. If the log is missing (and I am sure I found the actual container, i.e. a cammo'd matchstick tube suspended in a tree for instance) I will add a printed and prepared log. (GS has a file to download and print for free) I will either post a Write Note, or contact the CO by PM to let them know I have done this. It has been the topic of a recent "maintenance" thread and no doubt countless others over the years, about doing maintenance on caches. The comment was made about absentee owners, and refusing to do this for them. I have to say I am guilty of having that mindset. I will look up the CO online, on caches that need maintenance. (I have unlimited data access on my laptop in my personal truck, provided by my employer) If the CO is still active in the game, I will help them out by replacing missing logs, doing some upkeep on the cammo, or repairing "broken or leaking" containers. I will NOT replace a container unless I have the CO's permission FIRST. Look down on me if you want, but if you were a "temp" to the game and left a trail of rabbit droppings along a track to where you disappeared over the horizon, never to be seen again... tough luck. I am not keeping your cache alive. There are some caches whose owners have been gone for a while that I have added a logsheet to, or done some maintenance on, but it has been rare. I feel if I am the one doing the "saving" it's my decision what is worth "saving." I refuse to do any kind of maintenance on a "power trail." Container is cracked or leaking?? Boom...NA. If you had the time to make the container up, place them all, and make the pages up, you should have the time to maintain them. After the first two smaller trails I ran, I try to avoid them. Not really a problem out here in the toolies.

Now THAT is funny. Especially if you know it is real and not photoshopped. Good to read you again!! I knew you would fit right in here!. Hope to get down to your neighborhood soon. Been hearing some good things about your caches!! Back to the topic. What was it again???

It's the flip of the same coin... We are all "cache police", yet when someone uses the important and vital logging tools at our disposal (Found it, DNF, NM, NA, Note) to report an issue with a cache, some scream "Foul!" I have a very hard time when I see that cache owners and cache finders can't understand that there are guidelines and laws that impact this game, and when the guidelines and/or laws are overlooked or ignored they need to be reported. It isn't the job of Lackeys or Volunteer Reviewers to handle every single cache issue that presents itself. Rather, it is all of our jobs to help this game continue according to the guidelines we all agree to when we create an account. "Needs Archived" isn't a derogatory phrase. Neither is "Did Not Find". Plainly, when something is amiss, we all have a responsibility to report on that finding. Some will rise to the occasion, others will not. And therein is why those who take the time to note which caches break the guidelines or laws are doing us all a service. It's when a bomb squad, SWAT team, police, security guard, parent, property manager, private landowner, federal land manager, or whoever else is called that we see our game besmirched. I prefer to log as necessary for caches and see othes doing the same. Call them "cache police", but we all agreed to the same guidelines for the game, and have a responsibility to help call attention to caches that go against the guidelines. ^^^^^ THIS

I like this. What might be funny is to just color in one or two "pixels" - enough to screw it up, but not be obvious. Not that I would do it, just thinking out loud. Oh absolutely!! I would NEVER do that either.

I have seen this new game!!! Having been away from this game for a bit I did not realize they had become prolific. I have seen them very near several caches. This has spawned another new game, which in order to play one need not make a larger investment than the cost of a black sharpie!! Yes. I've done that.

Thank you for helping me clarify my question Nephews. That's just what I mean, although it's more like "You MIGHT ruin the camo". And By LLR I mean If you lift a rock or a stick, you should look, then replace it where you found it, consequently leaving no trace. It would only be used as an added incentive to be very careful with the area, or the container itself, as would be with this cache. To much hard sweeping of the snow from trees might damage the hide. I gathered by reading the description and the logs that the method of hiding might be tricky. Reads like it was thoroughly enjoyed by all! As frustrating as nano's are to me I can appreciate one well designed. Hope it holds up!!

Some published date stamps are tied to GMT and others are tied to local time. In the case of this cache, the instant notification hit my inbox at 1807 AST on 5 January, which would have been 0307 GMT on 6 January, hence the seemingly wonky "published" date. The FTF log hit my inbox at 1954 AST on 5 January, an hour and 47 minutes after the published notification, which seems more than reasonable to me. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I thought that seemed odd.

Delicate as in "you will probably ruin the camo looking for this one" Nice. 6 found it's, one DNF, and one write note, the day before it was published.

Well.... I don't wanna get in trouble for saying the wrong thing around here. Know what I'm saying? Why yes.... I know exactly what you are saying. I have had to dodge the brick thrown on more than one occasion!!

Nothing in life is free. Those ideas are the ones that breed laziness into people... Agreed with what you had to say about Caching, just don't agree with your view on life. Read over the whole thing, then look up the definition of subtle. Guess I missed the part where he showed that he was a Liberal Communist, sorry about that. Okay then, try looking up hyperbole and irony as someone else suggested. And that's socialist BTW. But try looking those two up, then you'll get it. Perhaps. Or if not, then just go out and get some caching done. There's a lot of beauty to be found outdoors. Don't ya just love it when people edit their posts AFTER someone has quoted them??? Edit doesn't change the quoted lines, only the original.

I think looking up "sarcasm" might go a long way too!

I'm disappointed that the OP noticed my Churchill quote but the irony of my Merton quote totally escaped him.

I really like this idea!! Subject to the same potential for loss of the physical slip itself, but it would over-ride the wet, full, no pen, log missing excuses. I'm sure someone will squeal it could be considered an ALR though. Would surely shorten the Found it- Didn't find it thread!!

Wonderful idea!!! With one exception. Having read through the previous posts, I see a lot of concern over "shared codes" and "false finds". Reading the original post (even before finishing the entire thread) the first thought I had is: The wind blows 24/7/365 where I am. That "small laminated piece of paper"??? Gone with the wind. Then what?? Or stolen by some disgruntled cacher?? If the logsheet is missing, wet, moldy, or full in a cache I found today, I can replace it, sign it, and still claim the smiley. (whether or not all are inclined to do so) No code??? No log. The SAME owner who is reluctant to go out and perform cache maintenance on the current type of cache is somehow going to rush out and quickly replace a lost code?? Don't think so. As for the "keep it low tech" argument... maintenance on the high tech aspect of this hobby is performed by the Govt. on their end, GS on the web, and the GPS owner on our end. Most of us (all?) don't leave our high tech equipment out in the weather totally exposed to the elements. Short of the sat exposure that is. And they are not subject to the same variables as some high tech "gadget" left out in the middle of nowhere. I can see risking the loss of a lock-n-lock, or an ammo can, or even a pill bottle, but most of us are not going to leave a higher priced "gadget" out in the elements, exposed to strangers who have been given it's location. So I think on the cache end... low tech is probably all anyone is willing to risk at this point. Not to mention the apparent flop of a certain company's "Chirp" device.

You quoted Winston Churchill who was famous for being counterculture. He spoke his mind no matter how the majority felt. Obviously you can neither tolerate my opinions, nor listening to them. Tsk, tsk. Show some courage and sit down and listen.. IF you can... The first cache I hid was instantly lauded by people who had thousands of finds. They gave it rave reviews. Now the dark side, all from your vaunted *Premium Members*. 1. Some of the lied in claiming that they found it and logged the book. I thought this was an honorable activity. It is not. 2. When I called them on their lies, one cursed me, reviled me, called me every imaginable name, and said he never wanted to hear from me or my caches again. I forwarded his foul missive to Big Brother who... did NOTHING. Pretty good start to this wonderful, *friendly* activity. 3. There are scads of rules, and the rules have rules. One *Premium Member* chastened me with my second cache, claiming "You can't tell us what to do. You can only give us the location, blah blah blah." Oh really? How about: Bring a pencil. Bring a flashlight. Climb this tree. Use this TOTT. Bring scuba gear, climbing gear, a mirror, etc. 4. Oh look, I have XX,000 finds. Isn't that special. I just finished a vacation on the Big Island, then hopped to Honolulu to climb Koko Head. From there I hunted feral hogs in Texas before leaving on a driving tour of the United States. We shipped our car home from Fort Lauderdale and went through the Panama Canal to Los Angeles for fifteen days, stopping in Aruba, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, and Mexico. That was in the space of about four months. We went to Alaska last year. How many of those cyber medallions do you have on your little geocaching page again? So call me Winston. He was quite able to stand alone, and so am I. Your cliquiness is so high school. "If I were married to you, Nancy, I would drink it." - Winston Churchill, who also said, "My friends are few in number but entirely sufficient." I am showing some courage... you obviously don't recognize it when you see it. I spoke. You seem to have no other purpose here than to complain about some "perceived" injustice you feel has been perpetrated against you. Let me reiterate... if you are so unhappy with this site, this game, this corporation running it.... walk away. Unable to tolerate your opinion??? No. Unwilling to tolerate your opinion?? Absolutely. This is not Dr. Phil, nor Dear Abby. Take your little self absorbed pity party somewhere else and champion a nobler cause. Like....saving the whales, or toppling some dictatorship somewhere. Bitchin about how an online game is played??? Judging from your response, that seems a little beneath you don't you think??? Failing all else.... you could always just pony up the 30 bucks.

Many times when I observe a tempting bit of post, slowly trolling by, and notice the line attached to it leading to the boat, I can't resist taking a bite at the hook. This time I am going to offer the OP a bit of advice.... see that little red "X" up in the corner??? Good!!! Click that, and your troubles will go away!! You're welcome!!

IMHO if GS is going to start denying publications on cache locations like this based on "guidelines"... I feel they should enforce that "guideline " on EVERY cache. There are a multitude of caches within driving distance of my location that are in violation. If we are going to have "rules"....if we are going to enforce "rules"... lets do it equitably.

Sorry, didn't mean for that to come off as harsh. I just don't see the panic here. Not like the CO is asking you to wait for a break in traffic and rush out to the center stripe to read some coordinates written there. If you got down to look for the clue, the traffic would not even be able to see you.

People this is really not that hard. The hint on the cache page says: "At stage 2 you will only find coords for final. Have a seat on the blue railing (the big I -beam) and look toward the river. When there is no traffic duck down and look under your seat. You will be looking up toward the sky, not on the side." If you are sitting on the blue beam depicted in post # 48, facing the river, you are being asked to bend over and look (between your legs) under the flange you are sitting on for some info written on the bottom side of the flange. I assume the reason you are asked to look in this particular fashion , is the info is written "upside down" (if you can understand that). Sitting on the beam, facing the river, and bending over, indicates the info is on the PEDESTRIAN side of the beam. You can probably readily view the info (I assume... I am looking at this from my desk in Oklahoma) by simply getting on you hands and knees, although the writing will be reversed. How is ANYONE passing by in traffic going to assume I am up to something "suspicious" rather than just tying my shoe??? I can't believe this thread has made it to a second page. Evidently Keystone did not see the placement or the seeking thereof as "problematic". There is no physical container. The only thing I could find "wrong" with it would be the "permission" issue. To go into a state of panic that someone stopping on a pedestrian walkway, to tie his or her shoe, take a picture, or even take a whiz off the rail, would generate a "bomb squad" call and give Geocaching a black eye is ludicrous. And to post that on the cache log is even worse. I have been away for a while... is this what the game has evolved into since I left?? edit to correct typo

You are not alone!!! NeverSummer pretty much sums up all you can do about it!! BE the change you seek!!!

The simplest solution would be to train her on an existing cache. It would get her first "find" in the game at the same time!!!

I am "watching" all the bugs and coins we have handled.(not too hard as its only 11) Not really keeping track of them, but it's just something we do to make sure they get along on their way. I moved one bug that was a keychain called Psychedelic Elvis that dissapeared from the cache we placed it in, never to be seen again. I feel bad for placing it there. I realize it's not my fault if it was stolen/lost, but I feel responsible. I like to make sure someone else logs on them after we place them. I did go back to the cache to verify the bug was not there and had not been accidently dropped in the tall grass, but we could not find it. It is interesting to see "where they are now" though.

Some of the logs of course are much more general -- "thanks for the diversion" in getting to a very hard to reach waterfall or after a three mile hike to a peak. But some people are more eloquent in their logs than others, particularly when logging in a number of caches after a trip. And if it weren't for field notes, I would have no idea what day it is and perhaps not remember to change the default -- as it is, some of my signed logs are known to be off a day or two. I hope nobody makes that a forum topic. Agreed. I don't always take extra care to log caches on the correct date, but then I usuall log when I arrive home, so it hasn't been a problem. The very first cache on the linked page does have some logs that are peculiar. Different finders, different dates, but they say "thanks for showing this place to my virtual tour" and no photos, which I read as a requirement for logging. Interesting reading to say the least.

Sounds like they're on vacation to me. But you're right, they do deserve public shaming for what appears to be the high crime of logging the virtual caches they visited on the days they visited them. (Or, not, and maybe you owe them an apology for calling them out on the forum.) This ^^^ Reading the logs makes it seem like they were actually there. Could have come home from a weeks trip, and logged them all at one time, without changing the default date. Honest mistake. Or not.