Frolickin
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I would like to see the TOU for any photographs submitted and published.
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Originally posted by Team Shibby:Meister Brau for everyone!!
rotflmao......Melvin's deserves better. If I trudge through all that, I will want Pislner Urquell.
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Originally posted by BrianSnat:Its a fact that the average geocacher is a 37 year old, married male, with 1.5 children and works in IT.
Haven't you used that 37 year-old for about a year now? Time for a birthday.
From my experience, I think this is accurate, although the 1.5 children scare me. Did someone need to leave .5 child as a trade item?
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Melvin's is a cache that pretty much requires a team. I would certainly be up for meeting for that one, should anyone be interested.
Weekends would be the only time now that school has started back up. I am two hours + away.
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Originally posted by The Leprechauns:Fro, thanks for acknowledging my idea of a neutral account to which caches can be transferred when a geocacher "retires."
Anytime! You know, I misunderstood your proposal when I first read it. I was thinking a place, much like the TB Graveyard, that these caches would be placed in. That doesn't make nearly the sense that the dummy caching account does.
If the original poster does not respond, perhaps someone else will step up to the plate. It seems like it accomplishes everything that needs to be done. It doesn't require too much on the part of Groundspeak either. What would be good, eventually, is to have that automated so an approver does not have to re-assign each cache to the dummy account. I guess there are merits for doing it manually, but if someone with 100+ hides were to want to leave, just think as to how slow the cache approvals will be that week!
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Originally posted by Jomarac5:In the case of what Frolickin states, your views would be correct.
Errr . . . I don't think so. Perhaps I was not clear.
My hypothetical is very much to the point. If one has posted caches, logs, photos, etc. for some time. Then the TOU changes, what recourse has he?
Some of his caches have been archived, which is what this thread began about. Others may not have been. Yet, there should still be a way for that cacher to get off GC.com, all his work (logs, photos, posts, etc.) removed, and not upset those who logged his caches (whether now archived or not).
The way it stands presently is that for a person to remove himself, he needs to delete logs of others. That doesn't even truly remove him as his name remains intact on the cache, although nothing is left.
Whether one thinks it is childish to leave or not, plenty do. Rather than the status quo which affects others logs, I believe there is a solution to be found.
Lep proposed something that could work. It needs to be flushed out. Another possibility is to set up a dummy account for which caches could be transferred to. That keeps the logs in place, removes the leaving cacher's name, and keeps it all open for viewing for archival purposes (obviously, the caches would be archived as far as GC.com is concerned).
Perhaps there is an even better solution. I am not up for debating the merits of whether one should leave or not. Reality states that people do leave. There should be a mechanism for which make it better than it is now.
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Originally posted by Mopar:If you published a book, and then had a diagreement with the publisher, would it be reasonable to expect them to track down every copy sold and destroy it?
No. It would be reasonable for the publisher to cease distributing my work when my contract ends. Archiving caches does not stop the distribution.
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The other issue is, when you hid a cache, you made a contribution to the rest of the geocaching community.The cache could still very much be available to the entire geocaching community. It just won't be listed through one particular web site. If I list it on my own site and keep the cache active, how has the geocaching community suffered? Unless, of course, geocaching is GC.com. I don't think you want to go down that road.
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You dont want to be a part of geocaching, thats fine, don't let the door hit you in the @ss. But you can't expect to get the record of what you gave us in the past deleted.In my scenario, no one was leaving geocaching. I postulated that one might leave the site.
What the trend seems to be now, if I have this correctly spotted, is not take your ball and leave, but rather, leave. That sentiment is going to give reason for some to delete logs.
Rather than this be a typical thread where tempers rise, how about this imaginative and bright community come up to a reasonable solution to this issue?
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Originally posted by 2oldfarts (the rockhounders):My question is, if you have a pen-pal on-line and send him e-mail messages regularly and then get bent out of shape about something, can you make him return and/or delete all those messages you freely sent him/her?
No, you cannot.
That is not the issue. That friend has not imposed a TOU agreement upon you. If he did, he has no standing since it is not a business relationship.
This is a really interesting subject for me. So frequently in these fora when a counter-GC.com opinion is taken, the poster is riddled with all sorts of take your ball and leave comments. Now, when someone poses just how does one take his ball, no one can offer a solution.
This shouldn't be a difficult problem. How can one take his work with him since he doesn't agree with the TOU? From what I am reading, the only way to do so is to delete logs. Surely there is a better approach.
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If the person does not agree with GC.com's TOU, he can take his ball and go.
The question now is how does he take his ball? This is not the government we are talking about. This is a business. This business has set restrictions that some may not agree to.
How can those who do not agree to them leave and not have traces to their work?
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This is an interesting subject.
Suppose a person now becomes familiar with the TOU. He does not accept the document as written. He expresses his issues with the document and the community at large tells him in no uncertain terms, "Take your ball and leave."
So, this person is willing to do just that. He, however, wants to remove all his work from this site. Since he does not agree to the TOU, he wants to make sure that nothing is left to be used as described in the document he does not agree to.
He doesn't want to delete logs and foul up another cacher's finds, yet, he doesn't want a legacy with his name on it for he does not agree to the TOU.
What does he do?
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Originally posted by Renegade Knight:I'm not going to stand in line and tell a newbie that their excitment is misplaced when they want to place a cache in a cache dense area.
As I said above, this is not a newbie. This is an experienced cacher.
This cacher also has another new cache in which in the description he wrote I had a major problem with numbers. The listed numbers will get you very close. Close was 200'. After my two-hour drive north, I was unable to find it.
Go ahead and label this as a complaint, but the experience held nothing of value for me. I suspect it held nothing for the other person who had been poking around there before me either.
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They will learn and caches will get plundered or archived and then they can step it up a notch in a new take on an old location.When?
The cacher has hidden 42 caches . . . 13 have been archived.
Sure, nothing can be done. I know, take my ball and go away. It is so nice to participate in these fora.
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Originally posted by StayFloopy:But more to the point, you could recommend that it be archived.
I did, Floopy.
The problem is greater than one or two caches. Mopar has made a good point. We all know Tom was instrumental in placing cahing on the South Jersey map. His hides were creative and his locations wonderful. His containers, however, were not durable.
Now, when an influx of new cachers come along, they find some of Tom's caches and think, "Hey, I can take any jar and place it somewhere!" They miss the need for the location and the creativity of the hide.
With the number of new cachers hiding right now, we are getting a lot of lame placements. Plastic bottles tossed from the window under the nearest bush is not an enjoyable caching experience (and yes, that is a cache that popped up in this area).
Bluehook, you are correct in pointing out we don't have to find these. A couple things though . . . we don't know they're lame until we hunt them. And secondly, if the area is overwhelmed with ill-conceived caches, it will eventually take its toll on the entire community.
This is not the pick on the new guys thread. The quote in my first post comes from a cacher with nearly 300 finds. What's going on is that, like most things, quality is not adhered to as time goes on, thus lessening the experience for all us.
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You all know THE MAGICIANS LAW. Every park should have a cache in it! Sooooo you guessed it.
I think the above is the impetus for the concern. So many new caches are being tossed out there right now without concern for the caching experience. One showed up near me that is on private property. It references a cache I hid nearby, but the owner hasn't sought that.
Just becasue there are a couple trees somewhere, does not mean a cache needs to be placed.
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Originally posted by Jmurman:I am wondering if I should also get the Streets map for this too.
The TOPO software you ordered has the same street info as S&D. It just doesn't have all the POIs, which I turn off anyhow.
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Caches have been popping up all week in NJ. As far as NJAdmin being overwhelmed, it has not reflected on the work here.
Is there a note on the event page? Perhaps a clarifying question was asked.
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Originally posted by southdeltan:(If numbers don't matter, why sign the log book? It doesn't matter that you found the cache, no reason to prove you did)
Perhaps it is to give the cache owner something. As a cache owner, I like seeing the logbook with everyone's logs . . . not to count, not to compare, but to be entertained. I have saved the logbooks of archived caches for this very reason.
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Originally posted by Sissy-n-CR:Another thing you have to realize is the fact that GC.com is only a listing service.
CR,
I agree with the general tone of your response, but the above is not accurate of GC.com. This listing service influences the game with its instructions. I stipulate that Groundspeak can do whatever it pleases on its site, but calling GC.com only a listing service does a disservice to the strength this site has over the game.
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Originally posted by mrkablooey:That's odd. I logged out and it still let me view them. Wouldn't let me in the forums, but I could view the photos.
All I know is that I clicked on the link you provided. That brought me to the MGS site.
The first news item is about the Magellan Treasure hunt. It has a link to the pictures.
Just now, it is showing them to me. When I clicked previously, I was greeted with a message I needed to be a registered MGS member. I suppose someone has changed that since.
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Originally posted by mrkablooey:Lakemaster won the coveted FIRST FIND in the Maryland area of the Magellan Treasure contest!
Congratulations!
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Originally posted by mrkablooey:Pics available at the http://www.mdgps.net.
One needs to be a registered member of MGS to view those pictures.
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Originally posted by 15Tango:How about listing last 10 TBs found with a link to expand the list, like with caches and benchmarks?
THat's fine with me, but it would need to be the same for travel bugs owned too.
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When a user has found a number of travel bugs, his cache page becomes long and he needs to scroll to get to the Watch List, latest logs, etc.
It would be helpful to either:
1. Have a link to the travel bugs list (like the watch list)
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2. Place the travel bug list at the bottom of the page so the other links are above it.
A minor thing at best, but would be helpful for those who need to scroll through a long travel bug list.
Thanks,
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Originally posted by georapper:how about if we implement a new statistic in addition to total number of finds, we take the total number of finds and divide it by the number of geocaches within a 50mile radius and 100 mile radius of the zip code where the cacher is registered.
This would not work well for an area like where I live. Several of us have pretty well cached out our area, but there are plenty of caches 30-40 miles away. But this is not the typical 30-40 miles away. These are in another state across a river. One can cross the river 45-minutes south of here for about $65 round-trip or 40-miles north of here which would take at least one and one-half hours to reach.
The statistic you propose would judge our caching at a different level than someone who could cache a 50-mile radius without such a hitch.
What help would this statistic provide for cachers here?
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Originally posted by Mopar:Well, this is a sucky turn of events!
Really not sure I like the idea of driving 200 miles,trying to find a campsite at 10pm, and camping alone all weekend
Mopar,
There's room on the floor here with us. Seriously! We're at SpringHill Suites . . . #310.
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This thread is embarrassing.
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What happened to the topic?
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Probably the lock thread button.
I posted that the thread was begun by a sock puppet account. I copied from the newly posted Groundspeak Forum Guidelines:
Posts from known sock puppet accounts will be deleted and both the puppet and actual account may be banned from using the services of Groundspeak.
I applaud Groundspeak for taking action and for following its stated guidelines.
Fro.