RakeInTheCache

The Salvation Army?

Done! thanks!

OK, you can go the following link to have a look at the category write-up. http://www.Waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=01b30b3b-4ca4-4b7d-8c20-3d41ee794409&gid=6&exp=True I've listed it under History and War. I'm also copying the html here because if the category gets voted down I think you lose it. Identifying sites related to the history, remains and works of military chivalric orders and other warrior classes having spiritual influences such as the Samurais. Military chivalric orders were originally established as Catholic religious societies during the medieval Crusades for protection of Christians against violent persecution of the Islamic conquests (623–) in the Holy Land and the Iberian Peninsula, as well as by Baltic paganism in Eastern Europe. <P> Most members, often titled Knights, were and still are laymen, and not prelates, yet cooperating with the clergy, sometimes even taking religious vows such as poverty, chastity, and obedience, according to monastic ideals. As such, it was in the military orders that the Medieval concept of chivalry reached its apogee in an exceptionate fusion under exceptionate circumstances of military discipline and Christian virtues. <P> Prominent examples include the Knights Hospitaller, and the Knights Templar in Outremer, as well as the Teutonic Knights in the Baltics. <P> A few of the institutions survived into honorific and/or charitable organisations, including the papal orders of knighthood and are active around the world. <P> Samurai were the military nobility and officer caste of medieval and early-modern Japan. The philosophies of Buddhism and Zen, and to a lesser extent Confucianism and Shinto, influenced the samurai culture. Items which are waymarked in this category are always publically accessible and always on permanant display at a fixed location. Apart from Samurai items, the orders included in this category are listed in the following Wikipedia article ; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_order_(monastic_society)> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_order_(monastic_society)</a>. The items may include : <P> <ol type=a> <li>Objects on permanent, public display (such as in museums)</li> <li>Locations of existing or former structures built or inhabited by the orders</li> <li>Emblems of the orders</li> <li>Locations representing acts of charity (*see below for detailed requirements)</li> <li>Related Battlefields</li> <li>Related locations of historical events</li> <li>Statues of member knights/samurais</li> <li>Memorials, monuments and historical markers mentioning an order, member of an order, or a structure inhabited or built by an order or a samurai</li> <li>Street names referring to an order, member of an order, or a structure inhabited or built by an order or a samurai</li> <li>Metro stations named after an order, member of an order, or a structure inhabited or built by an order or a samurai</li> </ol> <P> *When Waymarking locations related to acts of charity these must be permanant structures sheltering a benefitting organization or some kind of permanent marker or plaque in recognition of the act. If no marker or plaque is present, there must be at minimum a web link describing the relationship between the donor organization and the site. The text establishing the relationship should be copied to the long description along with an indication of the source. <P> You must include at least one good quality photo personally taken by the waymarker indicating the object being waymarked. <P> The description must clearly describe the connection of this site to the relavant spiritual warrior group/order. <P>The waymark name should name the object being waymarked followed by a dash, the closest named place, followed by a comma, and the state/province/country. (Ex : Rue du Temple - Paris, France) Posters must have physically visited the location. Uploading an original photo is strongly encouraged.

Coming back to these posts from another thread, I am still interested in including sites related to the modern incarnations of these orders and their works of charity. To try and nail this down. To qualify the site linked to charity must be a permanant structure sheltering a benefitting organization - so no vacant lots. There must be at minimum a web link describing the relationship between the site and the organization - Scottish Rite Hospital in Dallas and the others would be OK as long as you could provide a link establishing the relationship.

Hello, I have created a "Monks of War" group which will manage the category called "Legacy of Spiritual Warriors". I only need two others to join the group so I can start work on the category. You'll find it here ; http://www.Waymarking.com/groups/details.aspx?f=1&guid=cf350708-a7b4-4dde-95ca-a47fe8f3ced9

Champagne !

I don't know why we are allowed to see the comments of the voters before we vote. It doesn't really seem to be fair. It could have a bit impact on the vote based merely on one voter's misunderstanding. I think we should get rid of it.

Could you clarify what they are?

Just out of curiousity, did the redundancy issue sink the category? I guess this is a bit of a philosophical discussion about the meaning of redundancy and to what degree it applies. There are myriads of examples in Waymarking today of waymarks which could be cross posted to many categories. I personally do not have a problem with this. For me, each category adds a different dimension to the interest of the location. For me redundancy comes into play if for example, there was a category called Legacy of Spiritual Warriors already created and someone came along and proposed a category for the Knights of Malta. Or there was already a category called "Religious Fighters" and someone came along and proposed a category called Legacy of Spiritual Warriors. Would you vote "no" against a category "Historical Monuments of Country X" because some castles for which there is also a category would also fit into this category? I find this stretching the definition of redundancy.

Hmmmm, I see I'll have to think this through a bit more. I see that "Sites having to do with the following represent their charitable work" might be somewhat problematic so I might need to backtrack on that. But I just want to reiterate that objects on permanent public display would also be included and we are now talking about a broader category which goes beyond the knights of Malta and includes Samurai paraphernalia. I'm not sure how you could count how many such sites there are in Australia.

Antarctica - 0 Australia - 3, two of which are private residences. Sites having to do with the following represent their charitable work. The Priories of Queensland, the Darling Downs and Victoria have been particularly active in their charitable activities. In the calendar year 2015 over $116.000 was donated to charities by the Order. These funds are in addition to the considerable amounts which are given by members privately. The devastating floods of 2011 are a case in point. Following is a brief summary of the various causes supported since 2011:- Anglican Church Flood Relief; St Vincent De Paul Flood Relief; Uniting Church of Queensland Flood Relief; Qld Premier's Disaster Relief Fund; Australian Red Cross Qld Flood Relief Fund; Australian Red Cross New Zealand Earthquake Appeal; Queensland Schizophrenic Research Foundation; Prince Charles Hospital Foundation; RACQ Care Flight Downs; Hear & Say Centre; Surfers Paradise Anglican Crisis Care; Institute for Glycomics, Griffith University; Diabetes Centre, St. Vincents Hospital; The Mother and Child Relief Foundation Art from the Margins. These aren't standalone locations that could be waymarked. The Order operates from within other organisations or is part of an appeal or fund in times of emergency. The Order has an office in Darlinghurst, Sydney. Yes, the post needs a little more detail. http://orderofmalta.org.au/around-the-world/winter-coats-donated-to-aucklands-homeless-by-catholic-church In the above link you will find that the knights gifted 24 coats to the James Liston Hostel in Freemans Bay. This hostel would be eligible to be waymarked under this category.

The category requirement would make it clear that the description needed to justify the connection to the relavant spiritual warrior group. This would most likely (but possibly not in all cases) result in the text being different from postings in the other connected categories.

These four categories will accept your inclusions. Battlefields Castles History Museums War and Military Museums Depending on how the plaque/sign is written and the historical information these are possibilities: You need to read their specific guidelines Living Statues - Members who are still living Meeting houses - Depends on who uses it. Residences - Depending if it is a historical landmark, or on a community register Specific Wars Monuments and Memorials - Maybe, depending how the plaque or sign is worded Statues of Historic Figures - Depending on the historical significance of the individual There could be other categories that would accept some of your inclusions. Sorry BK Hunters. I did not quite understand the meaning of your post. Redundancy comes to mind. I can think of many categories which are transversal across other categories - any historic marker for example. A barn would fit in the barns category but also could be part of a centennial farm. A Ben Franklin statue could be logged in it's own category but also in statues of historic figures. I'm not sure I see how this category would be any different.

I would go with structures for dovecotes.

Antarctica - 0 Australia - 3, two of which are private residences. Sites having to do with the following represent their charitable work. The Priories of Queensland, the Darling Downs and Victoria have been particularly active in their charitable activities. In the calendar year 2015 over $116.000 was donated to charities by the Order. These funds are in addition to the considerable amounts which are given by members privately. The devastating floods of 2011 are a case in point. Following is a brief summary of the various causes supported since 2011:- Anglican Church Flood Relief; St Vincent De Paul Flood Relief; Uniting Church of Queensland Flood Relief; Qld Premier's Disaster Relief Fund; Australian Red Cross Qld Flood Relief Fund; Australian Red Cross New Zealand Earthquake Appeal; Queensland Schizophrenic Research Foundation; Prince Charles Hospital Foundation; RACQ Care Flight Downs; Hear & Say Centre; Surfers Paradise Anglican Crisis Care; Institute for Glycomics, Griffith University; Diabetes Centre, St. Vincents Hospital; The Mother and Child Relief Foundation Art from the Margins.

These four categories will accept your inclusions. Battlefields Castles History Museums War and Military Museums Depending on how the plaque/sign is written and the historical information these are possibilities: You need to read their specific guidelines Living Statues - Members who are still living Meeting houses - Depends on who uses it. Residences - Depending if it is a historical landmark, or on a community register Specific Wars Monuments and Memorials - Maybe, depending how the plaque or sign is worded Statues of Historic Figures - Depending on the historical significance of the individual There could be other categories that would accept some of your inclusions. Sorry BK Hunters. I did not quite understand the meaning of your post.

Possible category name - "Legacy of Spiritual Warriors"

Yes, I think an argument could be made to include this in the category. So I would include in the sites, any place open to the public with related objects on display.

Maybe I will change this to include all Military Orders : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_order_(monastic_society)

Ok - I'm intrigued. Sites like what? This would include any site which as a "story" to tell about the knights including castles, battlefields, residences, location of charitable activities, meeting houses, museums, monuments/memorials, statues of members, places related to the activities of current members.

I'm not against adding the Teutonic and Templars. I think the reason it didn't occur to me is that these orders are no longer active. The sites would be exclusively located in Europe.

This is a great subject for a category (I have thought about it myself). I missed the vote but we should definitely keep working on this until it succeeds.

I am thinking about creating a category around sites related to the Knights of Malta, from their beginnings in the crusades to their modern incarnation. Any thoughts?

Look on the bright side, maybe they'll sell it to an organization with an interest in developing it. (I think the data could be seen as a valuable asset). Maybe there are commercial opportunities that Groundspeak has never considered. It could be a whole new chapter.

True, but in many cases, dead beat managers who wake up when they see a vote will thwart this by voting no to the promotion.