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I don't care what you put on the page as long as it is still readable when I look at it with a non-Microsoft browser with javascript disabled and it doesn't take an unacceptable time to load over my non-broadband link. Don't forget that the purpose of a cache page is to convey information about a cache, not to demonstrate the web page authoring skills of the owner. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

It's 11.15am on chrimbo eve and I still have four prezzies to get. Grumble grumble Merry midwinter-pagan-festival-hijacked-by-Romano-Greco-religion everybody ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

1. Mark: can I suggest you start a new thread to report on gcuk.com progress because this one is now getting very long and difficult to trawl through to find useful info in. 2. I did some research on the DPA to see what my responsibilities were for the trigpoint site and another unrelated site that I am developing. It seems that, as long as the data is for a non-commercial purpose (e.g. a hobbyist site), the owner of the site is pretty much exempt from registering under the DPA. So, for instance, if I choose to hold e-mail or home coordinate info in my database, as trigpoint hunting is a "hobby", I'm OK until I give the info to a spammer. Actually, I did not do any research on my responsibilities wrt not publishing personal info, mainly because I assumed it would be severely wrong and stupid to publish it without the owners permission. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Team Blitz:One of the thoughts of things for the 19th was to have a "Secret Santa"... those who have said they will definitely be there get emailed with someone to spend a SMALL amount on (a couple of quid) for a silly (or sensible) late Xmas present. The receiver will NOT know who has given them the present, and I will NOT let on (hell, I'll forget 5 mins after the emails go out!) We used to do this at my old office. Everybody drew a name out of a hat and had to buy that person a present costing no more than £5. The present had to be totally anonymous. It usually turned out to be highly amusing. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by MCL: Forget the reciever, think about the size of the satellites! Thats why the moon was built, and they ran out of money before they built the second one.... No, the moon is thr remnants of a giant Evil entity that was destroyed nearly 5,000 years ago by the ancestors of Milla Jojovich and Bruce Willis. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by The Merman:Thanks Jeremy, Bye the way Jeremy was this written by you http://joe.mehaffey.com/greenwich.htm I came across it while doing research (Note to self..Research first then post, not the other way round!!) Nope, coincidence. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by The Merman:As I understand it, the OSGB is based on figures that were set down by the Astronomer Royal Sir George Airey in 1936. George Airy lived from 1801-1892. He did not define OSGB36, but he did define the Airy1830 spheroid on which OSGB36 is based. quote:Subsequent space mapping has shown his figures to be out by as much as 100 metres. Err no... "Different from WGS84" does not mean "wrong". The differences are due to the use of a different spheroid which was designed only to fit the Earth in the region of the UK (the ITRS80 spheroid on which WGS84 is based was designed to be a reasonable fit over the whole Earth). Also the prime meridian for WGS84 is in a different place. This does not mean that either meridian is "wrong" after all, fo a long time the French got by on a prime meridian that went through Paris and not Greenwich. In fact, because the WGS84 datum takes continental drift into account, its prime meridian is actually moving West across the UK (well actually the UK is moving North East). (spheroid is a mathematical term for squashed football BTW). ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Team Blitz: Just to point out that the British Grid figures given are, as you might expect, based on the OSGB Datum, and NOT the WGS84 datum. This does mean you do need to remember to set both the grid AND the datum right on your GPS!). This will only be a problem if you enter the waypoint manually (on Garmins at least). Data transfers (on Garmins) are always in WGS84 format no matter how the GPS is set. One feature I noticed on the Vista is that if you change the format to British grid, the datum changes to OSGB36 automatically. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:Since I'm not too familiar with who actually uses this format (other than the UK), let me know the other countries and I'll add them as well. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Nobody else uses British grid format. The OSGB36 datum it uses only fits the Earth in the area of the UK and the grid itself is only big enough to fit the UK into it. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

No problem in Mozilla 1.2 ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

I think we are basically in agreement. I own the copyright on the text of my logs and gc.com owns copyright on the pages although technically they should acknowledge copyright of contributors on the text. If we look at common sense and what is basically fair, the owners of gc.com have spent a lot of money time and effort on the site and so have a right to be aggrieved if other people directly rip off work published on their site. OTOH they are dependent on people like us for the content and success of the site and so I believe we (as contributers) have a moral (if not legal) right to scrape the content to provide services not supplied by gc.com. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Team Blitz: quote:The copyright notice at the bottom of each cache page is interesting too. How would the courts view a copyright notice on a page that is clearly machine generated? A book / Magazine is copyright... do you really think that parts of most modern books aren't as "machine generated" as the geocaching pages? Start with the copyright notices & dates at the front of a book, then the Contents & Index pages... all "machine generated". Now turn to TV / Films... plenty there that is machine generated, but is still copyrighted. The computer is just a tool, the design and "contents" of the pages are "put together" by "geocaching.com"....... Errr.. I'm afraid you've completely missed my point. I'm not arguing about most of the geocaching site pages or the code or even the look and feel of the cache pages. If you specifically look at a typical cache page. It is automatically generated by pulling the description (written by a non-employee of Grounded Inc) from a database and a load of logs from a database (also written by a non-employee of Grounded Inc). So the cache page is generated from different sources with differently copyrighted material on it. How can a copyright notice at the bottom of such a page be valid? To take one of your examples and bend it round to the point I was trying to make: suppose I write a book by taking lots of other people's short stories and putting them all together in one volume. Can I claim copyright on the whole book? no. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by washboy: I should have known better than to post without first trawling the forum archives to check if the topic had already been done to death. After all, it's not very often that I have an original thought (and this wasn't one of them either!) I wouldn't worry too much about whether a topic has already been done to death. IMHO topics are discussed many times over because they are important or interesting to somebody. Situations and opinions change, so what may have been the consensus one day may not be the next. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

Hmm, I tried hard to find a statement that says that all cache details and logs are copyright Grounded, Inc. but with some trouble. I did find this in the disclaimer: quote:This website is for personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, excerpt, distribute, transmit, publish, license, create derivative works from, or sell any information, or services obtained from this website. which is fairly clear, but whether it could be upheld in court is an interesting question. I always understood that for a contract to be valid, there had to be some sort of exchange of cash which means that us charter members could possibly be sued but not the normal members. Even if it is legally worthless, I think it is still a reasonable thing to ask of people since they put a lot of hard work into the site and don't want other people "parasiting" on the back of it. Technically geocachinguk.com is in breach of the conditions but as it doesn't try to compete with gc.com but provide services not on the gc.com website, I would regard as being OK and within the spirit of the law. The copyright notice at the bottom of each cache page is interesting too. How would the courts view a copyright notice on a page that is clearly machine generated? I could not find anything on the web site that requires me to assign copyright on any of my caches or logs to Grounded, Inc so as far as I am concerned it is still mine. Not that I have a problem with it unless Jeremy decides to sue me for posting my cache details and/or logs on my own website aswell as his. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Geo Weasel: quote:Orginally posted by Jeremy P:6th would be difficult for me, but possible. The other dates would be better. Wow mate! You really do plan in advance don't you. LoL I don't normally plan that far in advance, but I do know I have a commitment on the 5th (so does el10t but he's obviously forgotten about it) which is the only thing I have planned for next year. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

I know a bit about it too. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

6th would be difficult for me, but possible. The other dates would be better. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

I don't know the answer to your question. Isn't a waypoint list just a list of waypoints? How does it have a datum? But, your error is consistent with confused datums. i.e. if you entered a waypoint in OSGB36 when it should be WGS84 or vice versa, you'd expect it to be off by 100 - 200 metres. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by SimonG: I may as well be the one to ask - what's your first favourite? Life: Loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it. I couldn't think of an easy way to turn it into a GC relevant sig. I suppose I could have "Woodland: loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it." ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Masher: 2. How can a thread this long on the HHGTTG, not have any comments by Jeremyp - one of it's biggest fans, I assume from his sig. For people who have never heard / read / seen the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, my sig is a paraphrase of my second favourite Marvin quote. After being marooned on Magrathea for half the age of the Universe he describes his experience thus: "The first ten million years were the worst. The second ten million years were the worst too. After that I went into a bit of a decline..." ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

Oh no, it's Australians that say that isn't it. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Kouros: This is moving a little away from the topic of the thread, but please forgive me... Has anyone else noticed that peoples first reactions to Geocaching don't last very long? For a while, my Girlfriend teased me about my "trainspottery" hobby, but as soon as she joined me on a hunt, she was hooked - and now has her own TB lined up and ready to go! Similarly, her dad laughed when I tried to explain it, but is now seriously looking at the prices of GPS units. I had exactly the same experience with el10t. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by Masher: 2. How can a thread this long on the HHGTTG, not have any comments by Jeremyp - one of it's biggest fans, I assume from his sig. I've just got back from an intergalactic cruise (in my office). I'd just like to point out that the clue is technically not correct. 42 is the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything. It is not "the meaning of life". If it was, the purpose of the Earth's existence would be meaningless because we'd already know the question to life, the universe and everything. My favourite has always been the book. Douglas Adams had time to tighten up the plot and improve some of the jokes between the radio and the book. (e.g. read / listen to how Arthur manages to get out from in front of the bulldozers without having his house immediately knocked down). The TV series OTOH was so expensive that the BBC had to cancel a series of the Goodies to pay for it. This is what lead to them defecting to ITV. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by washboy: In principle, all that Rob&Lisa/Mark/Teasel's system does is "view" every UK-related cache page and log report on GC.com and then store pertinent details in a database. That database can then be interrogated to provide the reports (and downloads) we were used to seeing on geocacheUK.com. Those reports merely link back to the very GC.com pages from whence the data was gleaned in the first place. This is true, but the web scrape software "views" the site as fast as it can. The time between HTTP requests is probably several hundred (or thousand) times faster than human viewing. This results in quite a heavy load on the site while the program is running. When I used to run it, it took about an hour on even a fast link. This is probably the real reason Jeremy doesn't like webscrape software, hence the need to ask his permission to use it. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

quote:Originally posted by dylanhayes:With a Vista (which has 8 mb) Mine has 24Mb ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching