Lovejoy and Tinker

I agree. In our experience a multi is a cache that can be found on it's own, in isolation of other caches, but requires visiting one or more different locations or waypoints before getting to the final hide. Those locations may just contain information or they may contain a physical container holding further directions to the final hide. A cache that requires getting information from inside other loggable caches (that have their own GC number) becomes a 'mystery'. To my mind it's not a multi because you can't load it into your GPS and go and find it as a single cache. Having said that, i'm only basing this view on the caches we have found and the way they have been structured. And sadly nearly all our finds have been in one part of the country. So it's possible things have been done differently in different parts of the country. There is only one 'bonus' cache that we have found that is listed as a 'multi', and that's the (rather excellent) King Arthur - Man or Myth series. It stands out in my mind because (apart from being a good little series with some interesting locations) I remember thinking it unusual for the bonus to be listed as a multi. I have not seen that before or since (from memory). In that case it didn't matter whether it was listed as multi or mystery as the bonus cache page spells out in fine detail what you have to do to find the bonus (i.e find the other 5 trads and 1 multi caches in the series). It's interesting to read other people's views and arguments on this subject and I can see some of the logic for a bonus cache being a multi. Something I had not thought of before. But I still think a bonus to a series where you have to find other loggable caches in the series is a mystery not a multi

Glad you got it sorted

Is your daughter a Premium Member? There was a lad on here a while back who used to be a premium member and set a number of his caches to Premium Member Only. Then he let his membership lapse and went back to being a basic member. He was then unable to set his caches back to non premium member because the check box was not there on the page on his basic member account. Sounds very similar to your problem. Not saying it is the solution but worth checking your daughter's account status. If it is the problem, then from memory he had to get a reviewer to switch the PMO off on his caches for him.

Pop a NA log on it. Don't be shy Sounds to me like the CO has had ample opportunity to sort things out and either archive or replace the cache. I mean, April ?? Seems like the sort of situation that the NA log was invented for. Just keep in mind that the NA log is not a slight on the character of the CO and while some seem to take it a bit personally they shouldn't. I see it as a final nudge to get a cache sorted out or removed from the listings. And that is necessary to keep the game flowing for everyone. Disabled and missing caches that sit there for months are a pain and need to be dealt with. If the CO has not shown willing to sort it out then a reviewer needs to get involved to force their hand. (Edited for typos - been out putting up the town's christmas lights all day and my fingers don't work any more)

Yo! Bruv (or Sis), nuf respect dude. Nah what I mean, Innit. (If you've ever seen Armstrong & Miller's RAF sketch, that's kind of how it sounds when I try it)

Ignoring the FTF aspect, in what way is caching at night "dangerous" or "foolhardy". Any more than walking home after work at this time of year is gangerous or foolhardy? I would agree if you are talking about a cache in the middle of the moors, but public footpaths in semi urban areas, or across fields? Or round a pine forest? We've done quite a few caches in the dark (some night caches, some 'normal' caches and have never felt in danger or considered ourselves hardy fools. At this time of year if you rule out caching at all in the dark then the fun stops at 4pm. Or maybe I have misinterpreted what you are saying.

We attached one of those keyrings with a clear plastic square clip thingy to ours. I think the idea is you open it up, pop a picture of your favourite person in there then clip it back up tight. I have no idea what they are called but they are about and inch and a half square and you can get them from shoe repair shops. We printed our TB mission on two pieces of card same size as the plastic 'picture frame', glued them ack to back and clipped them in the frame.

+1 And there's going to be a lot of people on WM6 for a long time yet.

Do you have to get permission to produce a souvenir of such an event? Or are unofficial souvenirs allowed without permission? Oh dear. I've just written the word souvenir haven't I. And that has given me a terrible terrible thought about what Groundspeak may do for a certain period of time in the London area next Summer.

Ooh, that's a good one Mrs B. I just asked Zeus and he said: "woof woof woof, woof, growl growl, woof woof woof. Woof yelp woof woof woof growl, woof woof woof." Typing that into Google translator: "Having to sit and wait for you lot to open a stupid box and sign a silly bit of paper when there's a huge open moor to run about on" Hang on, there's more: Growl growl woof woof woof growl woof. Woof woof woof woof growl growl grrrrr woof" He says: "Having to be put on my lead just because there are sheep around. Don't people realise I used to live on a farm and sheep are of no interest to me and I wouldn't waste my time worrying them" So there you have it. Straight from the dog's mouth.

Better make the coin in two parts so it can be separated at a later date. Just in case ..... When I heard DC announce yesterday that it was a "great day for the country" I thought he'd solved the financial crisis without us all having to resort to living in cardboard boxes. But no, just another wedding for us all to pay for.

Maybe when the cache page is changed and saved, one of two screens should come up as confirmation, which would also clarify the status of the listing. Something like: Thank you. Your changes have been saved. This listing is currently NOT visible to reviewers and is not in the queue for review. If your listing is ready to go live you need to retrn to the edit page and...blah blah blah or Thank you. Your changes have been saved. This listing is now in the queue for review. We aim to review all new listings within 72 hours, however ... blah blah blah Mind you, it is so long since I set a cache that I have forgotton what actually does happen when you save a page for the first time, with or without the checkbox ticked. So it may do this already, in which case you cannot legislate for people not reading what's put in front of them. The first would be fine. The second not. I typically make several edits before I'm ready to submit. I would not want it going active, automatically. (edit for clarity) No, the second message would only come up if you have ticked the "ready for review" box on the edit page (or whatever it is called). Until you ticked that box you would always get the first confirmation page above. So if you did multiple edits you would always see the "not in the queue" page, which would also act as a confirmation that you hadn't accidentally ticked the box and sent your page through for review. At no point would the page go active automatically, you still have to check the box when you are ready. The two different pages are really just telling you whether you checked the box during the edit. Hope that makes sense?

But watch pocket query results. They will be based on "Date Placed", which is not the same as, and can be quite a bit different to, "Date Published". There could easily be as much as a month's difference between the two dates. So if you are looking for caches published in a certain year (2001 for example), I'd set the PQ parameters to March 2001 to Dec 2001, just to avoid those dates where the placed date could be in a different year (2000) to the published date. Then just double check the ones you are going for to make sure they were actually published in the right year. As far as I know there is no way to search by Date Published.

Maybe when the cache page is changed and saved, one of two screens should come up as confirmation, which would also clarify the status of the listing. Something like: Thank you. Your changes have been saved. This listing is currently NOT visible to reviewers and is not in the queue for review. If your listing is ready to go live you need to retrn to the edit page and...blah blah blah or Thank you. Your changes have been saved. This listing is now in the queue for review. We aim to review all new listings within 72 hours, however ... blah blah blah Mind you, it is so long since I set a cache that I have forgotton what actually does happen when you save a page for the first time, with or without the checkbox ticked. So it may do this already, in which case you cannot legislate for people not reading what's put in front of them.

As you are a Premium Member, you have access to the Pocket Query feature which is the best way to load multiple caches to a GPS. There's also a video, which can be found at this LINK Have a play with them and if you have any problems someone will help.

I can see a day in the future, if the chirp thingys take off and become more common, and software is made available for phones to detect the 'cheep', and more people know that such things exist and may or may not be used in the construction of a cache, the rules may be relaxed a little. It's a long way off but it probably will happen. It will become part of the process to check for chirps at GZ if all other obvious solutions don't work. But at the moment, a chirp is very different to other bits of 'specialist equipment'. In my opinion. I have done caches where you are told that specialist equipment is required and that 2 visits to a cache may be required to complete it. But in all of those, the specialist equipment can either be improvised on site, or is fairly easy to get hold of for a return visit. A £200+ GPS with chirp capabilities is not that easy to get hold of. You can't just ask a mate if he has one in his tool box you can borrow. And even if you know a cacher who has one, will they let you have it for a day to go and find one cache when they might be using it themselves? So to my mind it's the difficulty of getting hold of the kit that's the problem at the moment. But that will change as they become more widely used and phone software is developed. In the meantime, if there are lots of caches out there that don't declare themselves to be 'chirp' caches I can see a lot of frustration. People will end up hating chirps because they represent just another wasted trip to a cache that they have no way of completing but were not warned about in advance. And people finding themselves at non chirp caches, getting a bit stuck and thinking "it must be one of those chirp things, lets go home" when in fact it isn't. I have a number of caches on my ignore list. Caches I know I have no chance of getting because I don't do boats, or swimming, or climbing too high up trees. That's fine, we don't have to find them all. But at least I am warned before going out there, and know in advance that they are ones I am not going to be able to tackle. I look forward to the day when I have chirp software on my phone and can build that possibility into a search. It sounds like great fun. But until they are in fairly common useage and most folk have reasonably easy access to a device that can receive the signal, I think the declaration needs to be there.

Either you haven't read the thread properly or that's a pretty poor joke. There's an old man in his 90's missing in a park and his family are probably beside themselves wondering if he is alive.

Hope the old boy is ok and that they find him safe.

Hey that sounds like a good idea Birdie ! A CIBO event? (Cache in Beer Out)

Because if your dog is seen pooing anywhere and you don't clean it up, people shout at you. In most cases, rightly so. In some cases, unnecessarily (in my opinion). However, having cleaned it up you need to bag it. But the idea is you take it to a bin or take it home, not leave it hanging in a blinkin' tree. Having said that, we did leave a bag in a forest. Once. About quarter mile into a circular walk, dog did a do do. Cleaned it up into a bag but didn't want to carry the smelly bag around with us for the next 2 hours. Knowing we would be coming back that way we popped it under a log and waymarked it. Trouble is, after 2 hours and being quite tired we forgot all about the do do until we were pulling into the car park back home. Sorry about that to anyone who happened to come upon it. Now, one of the team carry a Poo bag holder (available from all good pet shops) which means you can keep your bags in it, and then pop the full ones in and clip it to your backpack - no smelly and unsightly bags to carry in the open all day. But I do think some people believe the idea of the bags is to put the poo in then leave them on the ground. But then some people are silly. Or forgetful . My pet hate: Not being able to find anywhere to leave the van within a mile of the start of a footpath leading to a really interesting looking cache and having to drive around for ages doing 3 point turns on country lanes until we find a space at the side of the road. To then walk the footpath to find at the other end is a car park.

Weirdest Mixed Metaphor Award goes to.....Lovejoy and Tinker! And the crowd goes wild. Yay, we won something, thanks Pup Patrol. I'd like to thank my English Teacher, without whom.....

Oh I dunno, this forum thrives on people opening cans of worms. There are usually enough people wanting to have a nibble once the can is open Have fun chasing those FTFs

You don't have to put it at the beginning of your log. There is a tick box in cachestats that will record a ftf. Admittedly it's a manual thing, but if it doesn't pick up the wording in your log .... I don't think GS will ever track FTFs as there would be too many disputes they would then have to deal with. FTF is not always the first person to log online, it's who signs the paper log first. And GS have no way of determining that. You would get people logging a FTF online then someone else claiming it was their FTF as they signed the log first, but the other person would say the log wasn't dated or timed and they were in league with the CO and signed it before the cache was placed, and the first person would deny it, and ..... (you see where this might cause problems ) Then there are the teams who go out (two couples perhaps) and claim a joint FTF on a cache. So the system would have to allow more than one account to claim a FTF. It would all get horribly complicated and cause much angst. And I haven't even mentioned the fact that many people don't recognise FTF as a significant part of the game and would undoubtedly object to GS trying to make it an official part of the game. Best to leave that kettle of worms to lie in the bag, so to speak.

You mean you can walk down a muddy footpath and if not accosted by a dog your trousers do not need cleaning when you get home ? I only have to climb out of the van on a wet day and I've got mud half way up my trousers. If that doesn't do it then walking behind someone gets it splattered half way up the thigh as it flicks off their boots. If we come home with clean trousers we've been doing too many C&D's

Aha. I see. Thanks very much for the explanation and clarification dfx, that makes perfect sense now.