Zuckerruebensirup

We could do it however the majority (and Jeremy, obviously) wanted to. But they way I envision it is as follows: 1How many you can nominate: (Originally I was thinking it would be cool to have a “contest” where people could nominated, and then everyone vote on. But it was brought to my attention that it might be difficult to come up with equitable voting guidelines so that all nominees had a fair chance of winning. (Caches in heavily populated areas might be more likely to get votes, just because more people would be able to visit them, and have an opinion.) On top of that, I got to thinking that it would be difficult to have a ‘contest’ be an ongoing thing…plus it seems that there would be too much potential for hurt feelings, etc.) So then the idea developed into just an “Honorable Mention” list. I was picturing an ongoing “rolling” list, kind of like the ones where you see the most recent travel bug activity, etc. I think we should let people nominate as many as they want to. My thought of putting the name there was two-fold: It would keep people a little more “honest” about which caches they choose to nominate, plus it allows the cache owner to know who appreciates their work. Another benefit would be for those following the reviews. Since what makes a cache ‘great’ is such a subjective thing, there really no way to make a simple ‘rating’ system. But, similar to movie critics, etc., I think many of us get a feel for who’s opinions and tastes tend to most closely match our own. So if I see a cache that “GeoBob” (or whoever) nominated, I’ll know that’s one I’m likely to want to check out. While in the beginning, the list would likely turn over very quickly…since we all know of same really great caches that deserve nomination…once we’ve caught up to date, I imagine the turnover would slow down dramatically. The point would be to highlight particularly outstanding caches…and do we really run across those on a terribly frequent basis? (Plus, if the archive list got really big…maybe we could add a sortability feature, to filter by cache owner, nominator, a specific state, or within certain distance of a zipcode, etc., like on the main ‘Find’ page.) 2What is required to be nominated? ANY currently approved cache could be nominated. Multi, virtual, ‘moving’, etc. I was picturing a “Nominate this cache for an Honorable Mention” button on each cache page. (As for the ‘qualities’ of the cache: Just that YOU like it enough that you’re not ashamed to have yourself listed as its nominee.) I was toying with whether we should have a place to leave a few comments as to why we like it, or if that would get too complicated. (What do you think?) 3who can nominate? Anybody with a Geocaching ID. If you can post a log, then you can nominate a cache. (I was going to say that I don’t think that there should be a minimum number finds before you can nominate. But what do you think? Would the list get loaded full of ‘common’ average caches, since the new people are still excited about ANY cache find?) 4Can you nominate your own cache? Sure. If it’s a really great cache, nobody should fault you for patting your own self on the back. If you continually nominate your own trash caches, just for the 'publicity', everyone will start laughing at you behind your back, and avoid clicking on those links. Obviously, this is still a rough enough idea that there’s lots of room for change and fleshing out. That’s why I posted it here…to get feedback, and to hear people’s ideas and suggestions.

quote:Originally posted by ESFKids: On a whim, Dave of caching team ESFKids went out and did a quick sketch of a dog. [...] Tell me what you think! Good job, especially for a first try! (Here's a handy link to the drawing.)

quote:Originally posted by ESFKids: On a whim, Dave of caching team ESFKids went out and did a quick sketch of a dog. [...] Tell me what you think! Good job, especially for a first try! (Here's a handy link to the drawing.)

Hey, do you think my hubby would fall for it, if I smashed out my truck window, and told him my purse was stolen? I could get rid of my current nasty driver's license picture, and have an excuse to get a new purse to boot! Hmmm...maybe it would be cheaper, and less trouble, to just buy a new purse, and keep my current license hidden way out of sight.

Hey, do you think my hubby would fall for it, if I smashed out my truck window, and told him my purse was stolen? I could get rid of my current nasty driver's license picture, and have an excuse to get a new purse to boot! Hmmm...maybe it would be cheaper, and less trouble, to just buy a new purse, and keep my current license hidden way out of sight.

quote:Originally posted by Jamie Z: I'm really surprised Bonzai has been getting negative email. Yeah, I was bummed when I read that, too. quote:Bonzai, I for one am glad you spoke up. While I have mostly the same opinions as Z, I certainly don't think folks should be chastised for offering another point of view. I second that! (Except for the part about "mostly" agreeing with me. I happen to completely agree with me. ) Regarding the rest of your post, I think your level-headed appeal is an approach that will likely have much more success at 'winning' the other side over, than my emotional rants about how selfish they are. Thank you for being the voice of reason in a discussion that has gotten a bit out of hand.

quote:Originally posted by Jamie Z: I'm really surprised Bonzai has been getting negative email. Yeah, I was bummed when I read that, too. quote:Bonzai, I for one am glad you spoke up. While I have mostly the same opinions as Z, I certainly don't think folks should be chastised for offering another point of view. I second that! (Except for the part about "mostly" agreeing with me. I happen to completely agree with me. ) Regarding the rest of your post, I think your level-headed appeal is an approach that will likely have much more success at 'winning' the other side over, than my emotional rants about how selfish they are. Thank you for being the voice of reason in a discussion that has gotten a bit out of hand.

How do you feel about having an "Honorable Mention" list, where people could nominate caches that they have particularly enjoyed, and feel others might also enjoy? The main Geocaching page could display the last 10 or so (along with the names of the people who nominated them) followed by a link to a list of all the previous nominees. I see this serving three purposes: a) To give a token of recognition to those cachers who've worked hard to come up with an especially creative, or otherwise enjoyable, cache. To serve as an "idea sparker" for new people (or even 'old timers' ) who want to place a cache, but aren't sure what makes a 'good' one. c) To give us all a chance to read (and enjoy vicariously) caches that aren't in our own local areas, that we might not otherwise have had the occasion to be aware of. __________________ What do you think?

How do you feel about having an "Honorable Mention" list, where people could nominate caches that they have particularly enjoyed, and feel others might also enjoy? The main Geocaching page could display the last 10 or so (along with the names of the people who nominated them) followed by a link to a list of all the previous nominees. I see this serving three purposes: a) To give a token of recognition to those cachers who've worked hard to come up with an especially creative, or otherwise enjoyable, cache. To serve as an "idea sparker" for new people (or even 'old timers' ) who want to place a cache, but aren't sure what makes a 'good' one. c) To give us all a chance to read (and enjoy vicariously) caches that aren't in our own local areas, that we might not otherwise have had the occasion to be aware of. __________________ What do you think?

quote:Originally posted by cachebaby: Ever consider... 1. people who are *playing* this *game* don't have constant web access? Perhaps they access the site from a library or some other limited venue. They print out a bunch of cache pages and hunt for them when/if they can....and log it as such in the paper log. Sure. If it were me, I'd try to catch up with the logs eventually. But I can understand that it could turn into a real hassle, and wouldn't feel too badly about them not catching up. There case is different than someone who just doesn't feel like logging them, even though they have ready access. quote:2. LIFE INTRUDES. You know.. *Life*? Perhaps some tragedy (large or small) occurred... and the last thing that is on their mind is logging a cache. And yes, this one is definitely legitimate. But this one isn't so much a "choice not to log", but rather a special circumstance that would cause them to miss a log (or logs) that they would otherwise have logged. quote:Just a couple of ideas; apologies if someone else has offered these in other threads or at other times. No need to apologize. They are valid examples which are applicable to this thread. I appreciate your sharing them. quote:The internet is an "open" forum ... at least for now. Until we ALL have to pay to see content, lay off the "should do" "must do" stuff. In my experience, when people practice common courtesy, things are left to their discretion a lot longer. It's when we can't moderate ourselves that they start slapping rules and restrictions on us.

quote:Originally posted by cachebaby: Ever consider... 1. people who are *playing* this *game* don't have constant web access? Perhaps they access the site from a library or some other limited venue. They print out a bunch of cache pages and hunt for them when/if they can....and log it as such in the paper log. Sure. If it were me, I'd try to catch up with the logs eventually. But I can understand that it could turn into a real hassle, and wouldn't feel too badly about them not catching up. There case is different than someone who just doesn't feel like logging them, even though they have ready access. quote:2. LIFE INTRUDES. You know.. *Life*? Perhaps some tragedy (large or small) occurred... and the last thing that is on their mind is logging a cache. And yes, this one is definitely legitimate. But this one isn't so much a "choice not to log", but rather a special circumstance that would cause them to miss a log (or logs) that they would otherwise have logged. quote:Just a couple of ideas; apologies if someone else has offered these in other threads or at other times. No need to apologize. They are valid examples which are applicable to this thread. I appreciate your sharing them. quote:The internet is an "open" forum ... at least for now. Until we ALL have to pay to see content, lay off the "should do" "must do" stuff. In my experience, when people practice common courtesy, things are left to their discretion a lot longer. It's when we can't moderate ourselves that they start slapping rules and restrictions on us.

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: Call it what you want; it's just a matter of semantics. Regardless, that "response" was not based on any factual information; it was based on your presumption. And as you stated, your later statements elaborated upon that, erroneous in my opinion, presumption. You're entitled to your erroneous opinion. quote: Now that that's cleared up, let's agree to move on. Yes, let's!

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: Call it what you want; it's just a matter of semantics. Regardless, that "response" was not based on any factual information; it was based on your presumption. And as you stated, your later statements elaborated upon that, erroneous in my opinion, presumption. You're entitled to your erroneous opinion. quote: Now that that's cleared up, let's agree to move on. Yes, let's!

quote:Originally posted by travisl: The worst part: as I'm on The1Nub's cell phone talking to the insurance company, he disappears for 30 seconds and comes back with the ammo box I admire your ability to find some humor in a really frustrating situation.

quote:Originally posted by travisl: The worst part: as I'm on The1Nub's cell phone talking to the insurance company, he disappears for 30 seconds and comes back with the ammo box I admire your ability to find some humor in a really frustrating situation.

quote:Originally posted by makaio: I highly recommend you never leave valuables of any kind in the vehicle. If you don't want to carry them into the forest, you can carry a small ammo can in which to place your valuables, then stash it in the weeds nearby - just don't forget it when you leave Maybe taking a waypoint wouldn't be a bad idea, either...in case you don't remember about it until the next day, and have to go back for it.

quote:Originally posted by makaio: I highly recommend you never leave valuables of any kind in the vehicle. If you don't want to carry them into the forest, you can carry a small ammo can in which to place your valuables, then stash it in the weeds nearby - just don't forget it when you leave Maybe taking a waypoint wouldn't be a bad idea, either...in case you don't remember about it until the next day, and have to go back for it.

quote:Originally posted by Shinola: Somebody smashed the window in on my sedan a couple months back while I was placing a cache. The thing that really upset me (other than it was cold that day and the open window made life miserable) was that they *didn't* take anything. This would burn me more than actually getting ripped off, too. While I don't condone it, I can at least understand the motivation behind theft. The person wants something for free. But with vandalism, the person walks away with nothing (other than the 'pleasure' of having done the deed). I will never understand how a person can get enjoyment out deliberately hurting others who've done them no harm.

quote:Originally posted by Shinola: Somebody smashed the window in on my sedan a couple months back while I was placing a cache. The thing that really upset me (other than it was cold that day and the open window made life miserable) was that they *didn't* take anything. This would burn me more than actually getting ripped off, too. While I don't condone it, I can at least understand the motivation behind theft. The person wants something for free. But with vandalism, the person walks away with nothing (other than the 'pleasure' of having done the deed). I will never understand how a person can get enjoyment out deliberately hurting others who've done them no harm.

quote:Originally posted by SirRalanN: I like to leave something on the cache spot so that if I take it to my truck or nearby rock to sit on I can easily respot the EXACT spot if it is a difficult spot to spot. That's a great idea! I've been to a few caches where I'd like to have moved somewhere more convenient to log them, but was afraid I wouldn't get the exact spot right again. I'll have to remember this tip.

quote:Originally posted by SirRalanN: I like to leave something on the cache spot so that if I take it to my truck or nearby rock to sit on I can easily respot the EXACT spot if it is a difficult spot to spot. That's a great idea! I've been to a few caches where I'd like to have moved somewhere more convenient to log them, but was afraid I wouldn't get the exact spot right again. I'll have to remember this tip.

quote:Originally posted by welch: wouldnt it be slanted toward creative caches in populated areas? What if, instead of a contest, we just had an "Honorable Mention" page, where people could nominate? No votes would be tallied, but people could give recognition to the caches they especially liked. The last 10 or so could be shown on the main page, with a link to a list of all the previous nominees. Besides, I would hope that people would vote on ones they thought "sounded" good from the description...not just those they had personally visited. (But I still like the non-contest idea anyway...less room for hurt feelings.)

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: But it is only your presumption that this is why people don't post logs online; it does not appear to be based on any factual information. Actually, I didn't make that presumption. (My original thought was that they didn't post because of "Big Brother" Phobia.) It was suggested by macro that maybe people don't post because they aren't "into" it. My response was that those people are thinking only of themselves, which is thoughtless and selfish. From that point on, I've merely been responding to comments made to my statements. I'd like to hear from those who choose not to post online about why they choose not to. (And actually, a few people have already shared. Like, for example, if a cache is so poorly done, that you don't have anything good to say...it might be better to say nothing at all. I think that's good feedback.) But as Moun10Bike pointed out, this forum probably doesn't contain a good cross-section of those types of people. If they don't like doing the "online" part of it, and only come here out of necessity to get the coordinates...they aren't likely to participate in this forum, either. [This message was edited by Zuckerruebensirup on April 03, 2002 at 03:28 PM.]

In Ttepee's bathroom? (Oh wait...that one's already been done. And it's not even a virtual. )

In Ttepee's bathroom? (Oh wait...that one's already been done. And it's not even a virtual. )